[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Wolf Hunt? (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 1/23/2012 2:14:24 PM EDT
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Wis. DNR to landowners: Get ready to kill wolves Posted: Jan 22, 2012 10:04 AM CST Updated: Jan 22, 2012 10:04 AM CST MADISON, Wis. (AP) - The state Department of Natural Resources is telling landowners they can start hunting problem wolves next week. The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service last month removed wolves in Wisconsin, Michigan and Minnesota from the federal endangered species list. Starting Friday, the states can manage their wolf populations on their own. The DNR plans to send letters out Monday to about 100 landowners who have had problems with wolves killing livestock telling them that they can obtain permits to hunt wolves on their property. The permits will be valid beginning Friday. Starting the same day, people also will be allowed to shoot a wolf in the act of attacking personal property without a permit. |
soon the great white hunter types will hunt them to extinction again  Deer, Bear, Geese, pheasant, grouse, ducks, doves, coyotes...what not enough Animals for some to kill out there already ??? a little 411 >> The Big Bad Wolf does not exist. but.I said my peace, now go forth a kill em all..Right  Sad times Coming for a beautiful Animal in Wisconsin..
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soon the great white hunter types will hunt them to extinction again Deer, Bear, Geese, pheasant, grouse, ducks, doves, coyotes...what not enough Animals for some to kill out there already ??? a little 411 >> The Big Bad Wolf does not exist. but.I said my peace, now go forth a kill em all..Right Sad times Coming for a beautiful Animal in Wisconsin..
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soon the great white hunter types will hunt them to extinction again Deer, Bear, Geese, pheasant, grouse, ducks, doves, coyotes...what not enough Animals for some to kill out there already ??? a little 411 >> The Big Bad Wolf does not exist. but.I said my peace, now go forth a kill em all..Right Sad times Coming for a beautiful Animal in Wisconsin..
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PATRIOT590A1,
Last year a good friend of mine who lives in Jackson Co. shot a wolf. He owns a horse farm and stable and the wolf was less than 100 yds from one of his barns and was circling a colt. He was protecting his livelihood. He called the DNR and told them what happened and they came and got the animal. The wolves are a problem because they kill livestock which is the reason our forefathers killed them off here in the first place. If they don't they will loss their investment that they rely on to make their living. I am not trying to be disrespectful because I see you are obviously against hunting them. I am just hoping to show you why many are going to work to reduce the population. |
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A person can kill a wolf, and another soon will take over it's territory, if the pickings are easy, they will be took, and the killing continues.
A person can take a pro-active approach to wolf predation, the hard work attitude, and secure a long term solution to their predation problem. http://www.nal.usda.gov/awic/companimals/guarddogs/guarddogs.htm http://wpt2.org/npa/IW738wolfdogs.cfm C361 Stan |
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I'm interested in what the "fine print" is in the DNR permitting process. Specifically, is there a part where the permitee opens up his land to "DNR inspection"?... or something like that?
Is the permit process tied in to a research project or tracking project? C361 Stan |
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soon the great white hunter types will hunt them to extinction again Deer, Bear, Geese, pheasant, grouse, ducks, doves, coyotes...what not enough Animals for some to kill out there already ??? a little 411 >> The Big Bad Wolf does not exist. but.I said my peace, now go forth a kill em all..Right Sad times Coming for a beautiful Animal in Wisconsin..I don't know if this is someone trying to be funny or just that bad at typing. I feel I need to respond even though i know better... Balance is what us "great white hunter types" are looking for. Proper balance of wolf population in WI is less than 1000 (iirc it is around 900). This is due to the wide range of the wolf. WI has some 3000 wolves. Combine this with mismanagement of the deer population in northern and central WI by the DNR and the problem start to become serious. Most of hunter types, don't want to wipe out the wolf or any animal for that matter. Hell most of are some of the biggest eco nuts around because we see first hand the problem. We spend millions in conservation efforts just so we can enjoy our hobbies. Edit: Also, I am happy to see the DNR taking action to control the population. My assumption that it was going to be ignored until a wolf attacked a human. Thankfully this has not happened. |
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soon the great white hunter types will hunt them to extinction again Deer, Bear, Geese, pheasant, grouse, ducks, doves, coyotes...what not enough Animals for some to kill out there already ??? a little 411 >> The Big Bad Wolf does not exist. but.I said my peace, now go forth a kill em all..Right Sad times Coming for a beautiful Animal in Wisconsin.. |
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Balance is what us "great white hunter types" are looking for. Proper balance of wolf population in WI is less than 1000 (iirc it is around 900). This is due to the wide range of the wolf. WI has some 3000 wolves. Combine this with mismanagement of the deer population in northern and central WI by the DNR and the problem start to become serious. Most of hunter types, don't want to wipe out the wolf or any animal for that matter. Hell most of are some of the biggest eco nuts around because we see first hand the problem. We spend millions in conservation efforts just so we can enjoy our hobbies. Edit: Also, I am happy to see the DNR taking action to control the population. My assumption that it was going to be ignored until a wolf attacked a human. Thankfully this has not happened. This. I live in the north, where wolves have become a real problem. I personally know 3 people whose dogs have been attacked by wolves. One was a bear hunting dog out in the woods, and it entered into a wolf's "territory" while running a bear, so that can expected. The dog was ripped to shreads and killed. It was so bad, it was thought to be multiple wolves involved. But the other two were family pets which were on their owners' property... within yards of the house!! In one of those cases, a family's kids were playing behind their house, when the neighbor's golden retriever sensed the wolf nearby, and went to drive the wolf off, to defend the kids. It survived, but got injured pretty bad. That incident was less than two miles from the city limits of Eagle River! The other incident, less than a mile from the first (so it was likely the same wolf), a homeowner let their small pet dog outside, and a few minutes later they heard it barking, then crying, and saw it being attacked by a wolf right in their back yard, right off their deck. The wolf ran off and they were able to save the dog, but it too was badly injured. This shit cannot be tolerated. edit to add links: http://www.vilascountynewsreview.com/full.php?id=19568, http://www.vilascountynewsreview.com/full.php?id=18647 If I see a wolf on my land, I know it's only there for only one reason... it's hunting. It's not sight-seeing. Wolves don't obey property boundaries, and will kill any animal they can, for food. I know that's the natural order, but my pets and livestock (if I had any) are not here to provide them with food. When wolves start "hanging out" in populated areas, even rural sparsely populated areas like mine, it's because they have no fear of humans. Generations of wolves have had no reason to fear humans, so they get bold. That needs to change. I don't advocate total eradication, but the population does need to be managed. I've been a deer hunter for 40+ years, and I've seen first-hand what they've done to the deer population up north. Not a totally bad thing, as the deer can overpopulate their range too... but when the deer populations plummet (which they have in my area), what will the wolves turn to for food? The wolf is not the only reason deer numbers have crashed up north. Coyotes are another big factor. But coyotes can be hunted (or at least shot on sight if near your home), while wolves have been protected from humans culling their numbers. The time has come to change that. Shoot, shovel, and shut-up isn't enough. 
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That video has been shown on the Rhinelander TV station several times. It's authentic. I know the area where it was taken, I've hunted spring turkeys on paper company land nearby (early enough that there was still snow on the ground), and I've seen the tracks from that pack. There's enough wolves in the northwoods that there's money to be made. Wanna track some wolves, and see some "kill sights"? All it takes is $800. http://teachingdrum.org/wolftracking2012.html Or... you can just go coyote hunting with me and my buddies. We see them in the Nicolet on occasion. They will sometimes come to the same calls used to attract yotes. |
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Balance is what us "great white hunter types" are looking for. Proper balance of wolf population in WI is less than 1000 (iirc it is around 900). This is due to the wide range of the wolf. WI has some 3000 wolves. Combine this with mismanagement of the deer population in northern and central WI by the DNR and the problem start to become serious. Most of hunter types, don't want to wipe out the wolf or any animal for that matter. Hell most of are some of the biggest eco nuts around because we see first hand the problem. We spend millions in conservation efforts just so we can enjoy our hobbies. Edit: Also, I am happy to see the DNR taking action to control the population. My assumption that it was going to be ignored until a wolf attacked a human. Thankfully this has not happened. This. I live in the north, where wolves have become a real problem. I personally know 3 people whose dogs have been attacked by wolves. One was a bear hunting dog out in the woods, and it entered into a wolf's "territory" while running a bear, so that can expected. The dog was ripped to shreads and killed. It was so bad, it was thought to be multiple wolves involved. But the other two were family pets which were on their owners' property... within yards of the house!! In one of those cases, a family's kids were playing behind their house, when the neighbor's golden retriever sensed the wolf nearby, and went to drive the wolf off, to defend the kids. It survived, but got injured pretty bad. That incident was less than two miles from the city limits of Eagle River! The other incident, less than a mile from the first (so it was likely the same wolf), a homeowner let their small pet dog outside, and a few minutes later they heard it barking, then crying, and saw it being attacked by a wolf right in their back yard, right off their deck. The wolf ran off and they were able to save the dog, but it too was badly injured. This shit cannot be tolerated. edit to add links: http://www.vilascountynewsreview.com/full.php?id=19568, http://www.vilascountynewsreview.com/full.php?id=18647 If I see a wolf on my land, I know it's only there for only one reason... it's hunting. It's not sight-seeing. Wolves don't obey property boundaries, and will kill any animal they can, for food. I know that's the natural order, but my pets and livestock (if I had any) are not here to provide them with food. When wolves start "hanging out" in populated areas, even rural sparsely populated areas like mine, it's because they have no fear of humans. Generations of wolves have had no reason to fear humans, so they get bold. That needs to change. I don't advocate total eradication, but the population does need to be managed. I've been a deer hunter for 40+ years, and I've seen first-hand what they've done to the deer population up north. Not a totally bad thing, as the deer can overpopulate their range too... but when the deer populations plummet (which they have in my area), what will the wolves turn to for food? The wolf is not the only reason deer numbers have crashed up north. Coyotes are another big factor. But coyotes can be hunted (or at least shot on sight if near your home), while wolves have been protected from humans culling their numbers. The time has come to change that. Shoot, shovel, and shut-up isn't enough. Excellent post. I agree 100%. |
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soon the great white hunter types will hunt them to extinction again Deer, Bear, Geese, pheasant, grouse, ducks, doves, coyotes...what not enough Animals for some to kill out there already ??? a little 411 >> The Big Bad Wolf does not exist. but.I said my peace, now go forth a kill em all..Right Sad times Coming for a beautiful Animal in Wisconsin..+1 |
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That video has been shown on the Rhinelander TV station several times. It's authentic. I know the area where it was taken, I've hunted spring turkeys on paper company land nearby (early enough that there was still snow on the ground), and I've seen the tracks from that pack. There's enough wolves in the northwoods that there's money to be made. Wanna track some wolves, and see some "kill sights"? All it takes is $800. http://teachingdrum.org/wolftracking2012.html Or... you can just go coyote hunting with me and my buddies. We see them in the Nicolet on occasion. They will sometimes come to the same calls used to attract yotes. I deer hunt just north of Rhinelander. Between Rhinelander and Sugar Camp. The wolf, coyote, and courger population is one of the reasons I plan to CCW while hunting. Just in case. Random Topic change, did you see the either of the two moose? |
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Do people eat wolf? (I'm serious) I know eating things other that what is in the store is 'Taboo" for many, but I was brought up eating venison, squirrel, rabbit, pheasant and quail. This should answer your question. Why not eat predators? |
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I'm fine with landowners shooting wolves on their land to protect their livestock and I'm fine with the de-listing. Personally, I won't shoot anything that I 'm not planning on eating. The link is interesting, but untiI I try coyote tenderloins myself and find they are delicious, I'll take a pass on predator hunting and stick with venison, grouse, pheasant and turkey. Bear hunters who hunt with dogs have absolutely no reason to complain if wolves kill their dogs. Guys who honestly think they need to be heavily armed everytime the set foot in the forest should really consider just staying out of the woods. It's just not that scarey. A general hunting season for wolves in WI would be a disaster. I really hope it doesn't come to that. ...again, just "IMO". |
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Personally, I won't shoot anything that I 'm not planning on eating. Guess you won't be getting a CCL, eh? Since i highly doubt you will be eating your attacker. 
I'm not sure how a hunt for wolves would be a disaster, we hunt lots of other animals, that's not considered a disaster. Like you, there are a select few people that would want to hunt wolves outside of land owners protecting their investments. I doubt even opening it up to the point of coyote hunting would put a real dent in their population. I think the more important thing hunting will do is hopefully put the natural fear of humans back in them. |
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Personally, I won't shoot anything that I 'm not planning on eating. Guess you won't be getting a CCL, eh? Since i highly doubt you will be eating your attacker.
I'm not sure how a hunt for wolves would be a disaster, we hunt lots of other animals, that's not considered a disaster. Like you, there are a select few people that would want to hunt wolves outside of land owners protecting their investments. I doubt even opening it up to the point of coyote hunting would put a real dent in their population. I think the more important thing hunting will do is hopefully put the natural fear of humans back in them. Exactly. If there ever is a general hunting season on wolves (which I doubt would happen anytime soon) it would be no differant than the current hunting seasons on bear. Limited tags, limited seasons, in limited areas. Coyote season is open 24/7, 365 days (except 19 days in the north during gun deer seasons). |
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I deer hunt just north of Rhinelander. Between Rhinelander and Sugar Camp. The wolf, coyote, and courger population is one of the reasons I plan to CCW while hunting. Just in case. Random Topic change, did you see the either of the two moose? Although there's plenty of coyotes, decent wolf population, and a rare cougar sighting, I've been carrying a handgun while hunting (especially bow hunting) for years. Not because of any of the above. Because of bears. Particularly sows with cubs. I've had more than one encounter. One particularly nasty bitch kept me up in a treestand til 9pm one night, while her two cubs ate all my deer bait. As for the recent moose sightings, I didn't see them in person. But I know a few people who did. I saw one about 3 years ago, to the west of Land O Lakes by the Cisco Chain. |
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Guys who honestly think they need to be heavily armed everytime the set foot in the forest should really consider just staying out of the woods. It's just not that scarey. . Just to clear this up in case this was directed in my general direction . The reasoning behind having a CCW while hunting bow or rifle isn't because I am scared of being attacked. It is because, if something happened I would like to have the odds in my favor. It is the same reason people want to CCW in general. It isn't a fear thing, it is a protection and readiness thing. I know a bear or wolf can tear my head off no problem. But if a struggle with the animal happens, I would prefer to have an options besides my two hands.
Again, most of are not advocating wiping out the wolf or any predatory animal for that matter. We just want balance. Right now the wolf has no natural predator in WI (that I am aware of). So they will grow in numbers and slowly start moving into towns and cities looking for food. Much like the deer and coyotes have down in South Eastern WI. |
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Guys who honestly think they need to be heavily armed everytime the set foot in the forest should really consider just staying out of the woods. It's just not that scarey. Those who honestly think that they need a (sportscar/4wd vehicle/gas guzzler) every time they go out on the highway should really consider just staying off the roads.
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I knew the comment about always having to be armed when in the woods would ruffle some feathers - which is why I made it a point to say that that is only my opinion. I wasn't directing that to anybody in particular and it wasn't meant to call anybody out. It just makes very little sense to me from a psychological standpoint. I go into the forest without a firearm all the time. Sometimes if I'm tired I'll take a nap out there. I camp alone quite a bit. I've seen plenty of wolves and have had numerous close encounters with bear. I feel far less threatened in the woods than I do while driving to the woods. I simply don't see how anybody can enjoy the forest if they are apprehensive enough to have to be armed at all times. I'm not trying to question anybody's manhood - I just simply don't see the need to be armed.
That said - I'm fine with people carrying firearmes for protection from animals in the woods. I choose not to and I don't understand it, but to each his own. A person (in this country at least) has a right to carry arms for protection. CCW is another matter entirely. I could probably turn on the TV right now and hear yet another story about a recent human attack. People are dangerous. |
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It's about time. we have problems with those dam things in waushara county. Lots of coyotes near Almond, but haven't seen any wolves yet. Then again, I usually can't get that close to them. Have them on trail cams, tracks by kill ect. Also have bob cats running around , going yote hunting this weekend , see what comes in. |
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I knew the comment about always having to be armed when in the woods would ruffle some feathers No feathers ruffled here. I just try to be prepared. Always have a backup plan, etc.
Also noteworthy, I never mentioned that I disarm once I leave the woods. 
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PATRIOT590A1, Last year a good friend of mine who lives in Jackson Co. shot a wolf. He owns a horse farm and stable and the wolf was less than 100 yds from one of his barns and was circling a colt. He was protecting his livelihood. He called the DNR and told them what happened and they came and got the animal. The wolves are a problem because they kill livestock which is the reason our forefathers killed them off here in the first place. If they don't they will loss their investment that they rely on to make their living. I am not trying to be disrespectful because I see you are obviously against hunting them. I am just hoping to show you why many are going to work to reduce the population. I respect your opinion. Over a Hundred years ago when the Wolf Population was erased from the Lower 48, it was done for 2 reasons for Wolf pelts, so Ladies on the east cost could look fashionable wearing those fur coats, hats, etc. & it was done because the Europeans settlers that came here also brought their fear of the Wolf plus anti wolf Folk lore along with them. To this day the Hate of the Wolf is popular amongst the Hunters, too many times I have seen people type..Shoot, shovel, shut up when referring to Wolves...Now the Feds have de-listed the Wolf, soon Wisconsin will have a Wolf Hunt & I am smart enough to add 2+2 together...The "Sporting" Hunters will use this as a excuse to kill every wolf they see, not just the one they have a permit for. I agree that every Animal needs to be managed to achieve Balance...but the intolerance & hatred towards wolves is HUGE. Now, Owners of Horses, Cattle & Livestock..need to Protect their "Valuable investments" with Actual fences ( Chain link ) if they are worth that much then they need to be protected, not just with 3 thin electrified wires. I am a Dog owner but people that use dogs to hunt with in Wolf areas are asking to have their Dogs killed... Yes, I like Wolves, no I don't want anyone getting killed by one & yes, You should have the right to protect yourself from a Wolf in the woods....and NO i did not go FULL RETARD EARLIER...like some moron stated.. |
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PATRIOT590A1, Last year a good friend of mine who lives in Jackson Co. shot a wolf. He owns a horse farm and stable and the wolf was less than 100 yds from one of his barns and was circling a colt. He was protecting his livelihood. He called the DNR and told them what happened and they came and got the animal. The wolves are a problem because they kill livestock which is the reason our forefathers killed them off here in the first place. If they don't they will loss their investment that they rely on to make their living. I am not trying to be disrespectful because I see you are obviously against hunting them. I am just hoping to show you why many are going to work to reduce the population. I respect your opinion. Over a Hundred years ago when the Wolf Population was erased from the Lower 48, it was done for 2 reasons for Wolf pelts, so Ladies on the east cost could look fashionable wearing those fur coats, hats, etc. & it was done because the Europeans settlers that came here brought their fear of the Wolf anti anti wolf Folk lore along with them. To this day the Hate of the Wolf is popular amongst the Hunters, too many times I have seen people type..Shoot, shovel, shut up when referring to Wolves...Now the Feds have de-listed the Wolf, soon Wisconsin will have a Wolf Hunt & I am smart enough to add 2+2 together...The "Sporting" Hunters will use this as a excuse to kill every wolf they see, not just the one they have a permit for. I agree that every Animal needs to be managed to achieve Balance...but the intolerance & hatred towards wolves is HUGE. Now, Owners of Horses, Cattle & Livestock..need to Protect their "Valuable investments" with Actual fences ( Chain link ) if they are worth that much then they need to be protected, not just with 3 thin electrified wires. I am a Dog owner but people that use dogs to hunt with in Wolf areas are asking to have their Dogs killed... Yes, I like Wolves, no I don't want anyone getting killed by one & yes, You should have the right to protect yourself from a Wolf in the woods....and NO i did not go FULL RETARD EARLIER...like some moron stated.. People should have to use chainlink fences to protect there livlihoods and property? Wow, you may want to rethink your last statement or your entire two posts in this thread, its clear you dont really understand whats at stake here or the damage the wolves have done to this state now that there close to 5x the original number that would trigger the de-listing and managment of them. They are nothing but problems for all of those that have to live with them, all because those who don't understand how destructive they are and the issues associated with them think its a good idea to bring them back and make them someone elses problem. There numbers at a minimum need to be cut back down the the agreed upon numbers in every state they've been brought back it was 350 in Wisconsin which was way to much, now we problem have 1,500+ wolves, and forests that cannot sustain them, the DNR's wolf recovery plan stated Central Wisconsin could sustain only 20-40 wolves there are 300-500 now, but I suppose thats good aslong as you dont live anywhere near them have them destroy your property and just fantasize about wolves because you have some irrational image of them being cute and cuddly creatures just trying to carve out an existance. |
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With more and more people feeding deer up north like they're pets, more wolves are moving closer to populated areas. A wolf has been seen by police in the Minocqua Walmart area. A wolf has been observed near the Woodruff post office. Living up here and talking with LOTS of people, many of them woodsmen and loggers who know the difference between a wolf and yote, see them constantly. Remember the story of the cop that shot his cousin playing cougar sounds? He lives within walking distance of Woodruff when he TWICE saw the cougar on his property only 50 ft. from him. What the he!! is a cougar doing that close to a person in broad daylight? There are so many first hand stories of folks who have seen both. Just because there are those that don't think it's a problem, doesn't mean you're right. I don't worry about running into bears in the woods. They are hunted and have a natural fear of mankind. The wolves are learning/adapting to their environment and finding that those tall things walking those fuzzy tasty treats on a leash can't hurt them. As they move closer to towns, eventually more pets will be attacked and then kids. The story about the golden retriever north of Eagle River is a good example. That wolf was stalking the kids in their yard! Heck, I live within walking distance of Woodruff and dump the occasional deer carcass down by the lake for eagles. Over the years I've attracted a following and now have, in addition to small carnivores, coyotes and bobcats coming in. If we ever get the permits to go out and hunt them, I've already got my spot picked out. You all who live up here know where Rock Lake is off Hwy 51 in AV? Every time I go back along those trails, I never fail to see LOTS of wolf sign. |
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PATRIOT590A1, Last year a good friend of mine who lives in Jackson Co. shot a wolf. He owns a horse farm and stable and the wolf was less than 100 yds from one of his barns and was circling a colt. He was protecting his livelihood. He called the DNR and told them what happened and they came and got the animal. The wolves are a problem because they kill livestock which is the reason our forefathers killed them off here in the first place. If they don't they will loss their investment that they rely on to make their living. I am not trying to be disrespectful because I see you are obviously against hunting them. I am just hoping to show you why many are going to work to reduce the population. I respect your opinion. Over a Hundred years ago when the Wolf Population was erased from the Lower 48, it was done for 2 reasons for Wolf pelts, so Ladies on the east cost could look fashionable wearing those fur coats, hats, etc. & it was done because the Europeans settlers that came here brought their fear of the Wolf anti anti wolf Folk lore along with them. To this day the Hate of the Wolf is popular amongst the Hunters, too many times I have seen people type..Shoot, shovel, shut up when referring to Wolves...Now the Feds have de-listed the Wolf, soon Wisconsin will have a Wolf Hunt & I am smart enough to add 2+2 together...The "Sporting" Hunters will use this as a excuse to kill every wolf they see, not just the one they have a permit for. I agree that every Animal needs to be managed to achieve Balance...but the intolerance & hatred towards wolves is HUGE. Now, Owners of Horses, Cattle & Livestock..need to Protect their "Valuable investments" with Actual fences ( Chain link ) if they are worth that much then they need to be protected, not just with 3 thin electrified wires. I am a Dog owner but people that use dogs to hunt with in Wolf areas are asking to have their Dogs killed... Yes, I like Wolves, no I don't want anyone getting killed by one & yes, You should have the right to protect yourself from a Wolf in the woods....and NO i did not go FULL RETARD EARLIER...like some moron stated.. Personally I think you are way in the minority in Wisconsin when it comes to wolves. I spend about two weeks a year in northern Manysodas hunting whitetails and I can assure you that the wolves have had a definate negative affect on the whitetail population.(That's what they eat and in good numbers as well) This in an area where wolves have existed since Europeans have set foot in America. While I'm not against them existing, I am completely against artificially propping up the numbers thru government decree. If it is such a good idea, every town should have a wolf pack right? Sarcasm intended! I am personally enamored with Black Bears. I don't hunt them and am not against it. That doesn't means that black bears should be wondering around and living in significant numbers in Green Bay though should it? |
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PATRIOT590A1, Last year a good friend of mine who lives in Jackson Co. shot a wolf. He owns a horse farm and stable and the wolf was less than 100 yds from one of his barns and was circling a colt. He was protecting his livelihood. He called the DNR and told them what happened and they came and got the animal. The wolves are a problem because they kill livestock which is the reason our forefathers killed them off here in the first place. If they don't they will loss their investment that they rely on to make their living. I am not trying to be disrespectful because I see you are obviously against hunting them. I am just hoping to show you why many are going to work to reduce the population. I respect your opinion. Over a Hundred years ago when the Wolf Population was erased from the Lower 48, it was done for 2 reasons for Wolf pelts, so Ladies on the east cost could look fashionable wearing those fur coats, hats, etc. & it was done because the Europeans settlers that came here also brought their fear of the Wolf plus anti wolf Folk lore along with them. To this day the Hate of the Wolf is popular amongst the Hunters, too many times I have seen people type..Shoot, shovel, shut up when referring to Wolves...Now the Feds have de-listed the Wolf, soon Wisconsin will have a Wolf Hunt & I am smart enough to add 2+2 together...The "Sporting" Hunters will use this as a excuse to kill every wolf they see, not just the one they have a permit for. I agree that every Animal needs to be managed to achieve Balance...but the intolerance & hatred towards wolves is HUGE. Now, Owners of Horses, Cattle & Livestock..need to Protect their "Valuable investments" with Actual fences ( Chain link ) if they are worth that much then they need to be protected, not just with 3 thin electrified wires. I am a Dog owner but people that use dogs to hunt with in Wolf areas are asking to have their Dogs killed... Yes, I like Wolves, no I don't want anyone getting killed by one & yes, You should have the right to protect yourself from a Wolf in the woods....and NO i did not go FULL RETARD EARLIER...like some moron stated.. Debatable. |
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As much as I respect a persons rights to defend themselves from a predator regardless of number of legs, I do not think 350 is a "good" number of wolves.
People that want to nearly erase them are either scared of predation or worried that they won't get to fill that deer tag next year. Guess what; get over it. You have to compete just like they do. And as for wolves coming into more urban areas because people are feeding deer; Good. I'm tired of almost killing deer in the middle of milwaukee county with my car. If I can't shoot them, then I hope the wolves get them. How about those people stop feeding the deer? Deer are just large rats with hooves anyway. |
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If wolves have to be killed, us humans should take every 'expense' to be sure to kill only the problem wolves. I think that's the right thing to do. Permits available to about 100 landowners is a small step.
I would venture, sarcasticlayy that if you add up all the statejobs and time and material charged to taxpayer involved in managing predation, it would be cheaper to pay people to move away. C361 Stan |
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As much as I respect a persons rights to defend themselves from a predator regardless of number of legs, I do not think 350 is a "good" number of wolves. People that want to nearly erase them are either scared of predation or worried that they won't get to fill that deer tag next year. Guess what; get over it. You have to compete just like they do. And as for wolves coming into more urban areas because people are feeding deer; Good. I'm tired of almost killing deer in the middle of milwaukee county with my car. If I can't shoot them, then I hope the wolves get them. How about those people stop feeding the deer? Deer are just large rats with hooves anyway.
This is WI, sure it sucks to hit deer, but if your that worried about it you may want to consider a different state. |
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Now the Feds have de-listed the Wolf, soon Wisconsin will have a Wolf Hunt & I am smart enough to add 2+2 together...The "Sporting" Hunters will use this as a excuse to kill every wolf they see, not just the one they have a permit for. That statement is pure hysteria. You think that because wolf-hunting will now be legal, hunters will suddenly think that poaching wolves will be acceptable? I am a hunter, and I know many hunters, and the vast majority of them follow the regulations to the best of their knowledge (the sheer number of rules makes it difficult to know all the rules and follow them all the time, but that's another discussion). The few that practiced SSS will continue to do so. The many that didn't, still won't - because they follow the regs! Clearly, you have more respect for wolves than you do for hunters... |
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As much as I respect a persons rights to defend themselves from a predator regardless of number of legs, I do not think 350 is a "good" number of wolves. People that want to nearly erase them are either scared of predation or worried that they won't get to fill that deer tag next year. Guess what; get over it. You have to compete just like they do. And as for wolves coming into more urban areas because people are feeding deer; Good. I'm tired of almost killing deer in the middle of milwaukee county with my car. If I can't shoot them, then I hope the wolves get them. How about those people stop feeding the deer? Deer are just large rats with hooves anyway. So you live in the middle of Milwaukee, a city, and you are trying to tell the country folk how to go about their business... Stay classy. 
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I've seen plenty of wolves and have had numerous close encounters with bear. I feel far less threatened in the woods than I do while driving to the woods. I'm pretty sure Timothy Treadwell said the same thing - right up until the bear started eating him and his girlfriend...
Seriously, just because someone goes armed doesn't mean they are paranoid or filled with apprehension. They are simply being prepared. Does having a fire extinguisher in your house mean you are apprehensive about house fires and can't enjoy a good night's sleep due to worrying about a fire? Does wearing a seat belt mean you are apprehensive about car crashes and can't enjoy a drive in the country because you're filled with panic? Of course not! Why would you assume that carrying a firearm anywhere is an act of apprehension? It's simply a personal choice to be prepared to defend oneself. Frankly, I'm surprised to hear this kind of logic on this Internet forum. |
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Now the Feds have de-listed the Wolf, soon Wisconsin will have a Wolf Hunt & I am smart enough to add 2+2 together...The "Sporting" Hunters will use this as a excuse to kill every wolf they see, not just the one they have a permit for. That statement is pure hysteria. You think that because wolf-hunting will now be legal, hunters will suddenly think that poaching wolves will be acceptable? I am a hunter, and I know many hunters, and the vast majority of them follow the regulations to the best of their knowledge (the sheer number of rules makes it difficult to know all the rules and follow them all the time, but that's another discussion). The few that practiced SSS will continue to do so. The many that didn't, still won't - because they follow the regs! Clearly, you have more respect for wolves than you do for hunters... I agree. I probably spend more time in the woods, hunting, than 99% of the posters here (hell, I live in the woods) , and I have never intentionally violated a game regulation. During the last gun deer season, on 3 seperate occasions, I had a coyote under 50 yards that would've been an easy kill... but coyote season is closed up here during deer gun seasons, so I didn't shoot (I did get him the day after deer season closed ) . As I haven't encountered a DNR warden in the Nicolet, where I deer hunt, in the past 15 years, I have no doubts I could've "gotten away with it". S, S, S.
And yes, I've seen wolves too. I've even had them respond to coyote calling. They left me alone, I left them alone. I have the utmost respect for the wolf. I live where they live, and I do not "hate" the wolf. But there must be a balance. I would never consider shooting one unless it was an imminant danger to another person, or a domesticated animal or pet. If I came across a wolf pack killing a deer, I'd sit down and watch the show. If I came across a wolf pack attacking a Labrador Retriever, I'd shoot as many as I could. And for me, that's all that makes this "delisting" a good thing. Until it goes into effect (1/27), me shooting a wolf attacking a "pet" would be a federal crime. |
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I've seen plenty of wolves and have had numerous close encounters with bear. I feel far less threatened in the woods than I do while driving to the woods. I'm pretty sure Timothy Treadwell said the same thing - right up until the bear started eating him and his girlfriend...
Seriously, just because someone goes armed doesn't mean they are paranoid or filled with apprehension. They are simply being prepared. Does having a fire extinguisher in your house mean you are apprehensive about house fires and can't enjoy a good night's sleep due to worrying about a fire? Does wearing a seat belt mean you are apprehensive about car crashes and can't enjoy a drive in the country because you're filled with panic? Of course not! Why would you assume that carrying a firearm anywhere is an act of apprehension? It's simply a personal choice to be prepared to defend oneself. Frankly, I'm surprised to hear this kind of logic on this Internet forum. I'm sorry I have an opinion which differs from your own. I really hope I haven't offended you. Like I stated a couple times already - if you feel the need to be armed in the woods, I'm fine with that. Your Treadwell analogy makes no sense. How many wolf attacks/fatalities have been recorded in North America in the past century? How many brown bear/grizz attacks have been recorded? How many traffic accidents/fatalities? I could get into the whole psychological aspect regarding the aversion humans have to wolves (and other large predators for that matter) , but why waste my time? Obviously the consensus here is that you either want to hunt wolves back to near extinction or you are an insane idiot. |
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Quoted:I'm sorry I have an opinion which differs from your own. I really hope I haven't offended you. Like I stated a couple times already - if you feel the need to be armed in the woods, I'm fine with that.
No offense taken. I, likewise, do not believe that everyone needs to be armed. It's a personal choice. Quoted:Your Treadwell analogy makes no sense.
How so? My point was that feeling safe and being safe are two different things, and your safety can be compromised in an instant. Wild animals are unpredictable. Mr. Treadwell believed that he knew bears well enough that he could do stupid things around them. He was wrong. Quoted:How many wolf attacks/fatalities have been recorded in North America in the past century? How many brown bear/grizz attacks have been recorded? How many traffic accidents/fatalities?
Regarding wolves - dozens of attacks, numerous fatalities in the past century (and during much of that century, wolf populations were historically low). Most recently, Kenton Carnegie was killed in Saskatchewan in 2005 and Candice Berner in Alaska in 2010. Regarding brown bear/grizzly - too numerous to mention. Why do you ask? Quoted:I could get into the whole psychological aspect regarding the aversion humans have to wolves (and other large predators for that matter)
Yes, and don't forget other aversions some humans have - fear of spiders, fear of snakes, fear of mice, fear of clowns, fear of the dark, fear of the boogieman, etc. What's your point? People have all kinds of irrational fears. I get that. Does that mean that I'm irrational for choosing to carry bear spray or a firearm? Or simply that I want to be prepared in the event that a large predator decides that I am a threat or that I look like a cheeseburger? Quoted:Obviously the consensus here is that you either want to hunt wolves back to near extinction or you are an insane idiot.
I don't think anyone has made either argument. At least I haven't inferred that from this thread. Maybe your skin is just a bit thin? Relax, nobody's calling you an insane idiot. It's simple civil discourse. I'm presenting my opinion and trying to understand yours. You don't help your case making a statement like that last one... |
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Yes, and don't forget other aversions some humans have - fear of spiders, fear of snakes, fear of mice, fear of clowns, fear of the dark, fear of the boogieman, etc. What's your point? People have all kinds of irrational fears. I get that. Does that mean that I'm irrational for choosing to carry bear spray or a firearm? Or simply that I want to be prepared in the event that a large predator decides that I am a threat or that I look like a cheeseburger? I don't think a fear of large predators is irrational. Unless you refuse to leave your house in downtown Madison because you are so scared which would be irrational. It's healthy to have a fear of something that could easily kill you. The people that don't share that fear are the types like Treadwell, and they don't typically last long. I wish more people had a healthy fear of vehicles...maybe then they would pay attention while driving. |
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PATRIOT590A1, Last year a good friend of mine who lives in Jackson Co. shot a wolf. He owns a horse farm and stable and the wolf was less than 100 yds from one of his barns and was circling a colt. He was protecting his livelihood. He called the DNR and told them what happened and they came and got the animal. The wolves are a problem because they kill livestock which is the reason our forefathers killed them off here in the first place. If they don't they will loss their investment that they rely on to make their living. I am not trying to be disrespectful because I see you are obviously against hunting them. I am just hoping to show you why many are going to work to reduce the population. I respect your opinion. Over a Hundred years ago when the Wolf Population was erased from the Lower 48, it was done for 2 reasons for Wolf pelts, so Ladies on the east cost could look fashionable wearing those fur coats, hats, etc. & it was done because the Europeans settlers that came here also brought their fear of the Wolf plus anti wolf Folk lore along with them. To this day the Hate of the Wolf is popular amongst the Hunters, too many times I have seen people type..Shoot, shovel, shut up when referring to Wolves...Now the Feds have de-listed the Wolf, soon Wisconsin will have a Wolf Hunt & I am smart enough to add 2+2 together...The "Sporting" Hunters will use this as a excuse to kill every wolf they see, not just the one they have a permit for. I agree that every Animal needs to be managed to achieve Balance...but the intolerance & hatred towards wolves is HUGE. Now, Owners of Horses, Cattle & Livestock..need to Protect their "Valuable investments" with Actual fences ( Chain link ) if they are worth that much then they need to be protected, not just with 3 thin electrified wires. I am a Dog owner but people that use dogs to hunt with in Wolf areas are asking to have their Dogs killed... Yes, I like Wolves, no I don't want anyone getting killed by one & yes, You should have the right to protect yourself from a Wolf in the woods....and NO i did not go FULL RETARD EARLIER...like some moron stated.. Debatable.  
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{Personally, I don't think this permitted killing will do much to increase or decrease wolf poaching, the people who have been after (killing) wolves have been, and will be, doing what they do. (Righteous self defense being what it is, does not mean SSS, I haven't read the law, assume it has a reporting process)
Maybe this step in the process of managing the wolf population will help catch poachers in some way. Remember, this isn't a wolf hunt, it's a permitted killing process open to selected landowners. C361 Stan |
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Having been tree'd by a feral dog in Clark County, I too ALWAYS carry a firearm in the woods.
Animal Planet had an episode of "Maneaters" once that had a case from the UP about some picnicers getting attacked by a wolf. Scare as that may be, the one with children getting attacked by coyotes in the suburbs makes me a tad paranoid. |
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I knew the comment about always having to be armed when in the woods would ruffle some feathers - which is why I made it a point to say that that is only my opinion. I wasn't directing that to anybody in particular and it wasn't meant to call anybody out. It just makes very little sense to me from a psychological standpoint. I go into the forest without a firearm all the time. Sometimes if I'm tired I'll take a nap out there. I camp alone quite a bit. I've seen plenty of wolves and have had numerous close encounters with bear. I feel far less threatened in the woods than I do while driving to the woods. I simply don't see how anybody can enjoy the forest if they are apprehensive enough to have to be armed at all times. I'm not trying to question anybody's manhood - I just simply don't see the need to be armed. That said - I'm fine with people carrying firearmes for protection from animals in the woods. I choose not to and I don't understand it, but to each his own. A person (in this country at least) has a right to carry arms for protection. CCW is another matter entirely. I could probably turn on the TV right now and hear yet another story about a recent human attack. People are dangerous. I've been 'backed up' by stray/feral dogs unarmed once, and that time it was my dog Bart (120 lb.Husky-Malamute cross,rip)who saved my ass. The short story, I walked out on my deck to take my morning leak (my back yard is "the woods"), and two mangy dobes rolled up on me literally holding mr. johnson. Anyway, it's a moot issue. I don't go outside, whether it's to the woods or the mall, 'naked'. C361 Stan |