Posted: 11/2/2011 3:06:42 PM EDT
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So, it has turned out that I may have become the neighborhood troll fudd on the subject of concealed carry in the state of Wisconsin because I ask posters “why” they will be carrying and for some strange reason I’m OK with that.
First off I’d like to clarify that I am a supporter of concealed carry and I do plan on applying for a permit someday, it just didn’t have to be yesterday because where I work and live I don’t fear for my families or my own safety. The reason I sake “why” when I see posts that talk about “I’m going to exercising my rights” and open carry at Fleet Farm today or let’s all go to Wal-Mart tomorrow or while mowing my lawn is that I feel those types of actions are just to get a rise out of others, and reflect poorly on other gun owners. (those are real posts, look them up) Why I ask people why. Raising 3 sons our house became the go to place to hang out and have fun, during those days I heard a lot of stupid things come out of the teenagers mouths about things they done and things they were thinking of doing. I found out then and through being management at work that if you ask people why they think what they did or what they are planning to do was a good idea (and not taking “I don’t know” of an answer) you can get them to think through their action and sometimes (most) they come to the realization that maybe it wasn’t the best idea. I have heard all the reasons for carry on this board from” It cool” to” it is my God given right” (God had nothing to do with that right, it was a bunch of wig wearing patriots that did) there was one post a while back that did make sense when he (or she) posted that if they would have had a gun at a time in their life that something bad happened that they would be a lot better off today. So in a nut shell, if you post that you are planning to do something that I think done just to get a reaction out of others, I may ask you why. Jim Ps, I’m sorry if this was hard to read, I never did well in English class. Edited per request |
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because where I work and live I don’t fear for my families or my own safety. Do you understand the issue with this statement? Feeling safe and being safe are 2 completely different things. Are you more likely to have the need for a weapon in some places compared to others? Of course. But you need to understand that violence can happen ANYWHERE and at ANY TIME. You are not safe at work. You are not safe at home. Do you take your seatbelt off when you are traveling below 35mph since you only have a greater risk of dying in an accident at higher speeds? Think it can't happen where you and your family live? There are 7 dead people from a small town with "no crime" who would like to have a word with you about that. They were gunned down and killed by a man who snapped. Several of them for no reason other than they were in the home he decided to barge into in the middle of the day. http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/08/07/ohio-man-kills-7-before-being-shot-dead-by-cops/ Sure, you will likely go your whole life without ever being in a situation where you need a gun. But here's the question to ask yourself. Could you live with yourself if you were met with that situation, and needed it but didn't have it? I open carry everywhere because that's the only option I have right now. And it has zero to do with showing off or getting a rise or to be political or anything like that. I carry because if something were to happen to me, or God forbid my wife or child, and I could have had a chance to stop it if only I'd had my gun but I didn't, I don't think I could live with that. |
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So, it has turned out that I may have become the neighborhood troll on the subject of concealed carry in the state of Wisconsin because I ask posters “why” they will be carrying and for some strange reason I’m OK with that. First off I’d like to clarify that I am a supporter of concealed carry and I do plan on applying for a permit someday, it just didn’t have to be yesterday because where I work and live I don’t fear for my families or my own safety. The reason I sake “why” when I see posts that talk about “I’m going to exercising my rights” and open carry at Fleet Farm today or let’s all go to Wal-Mart tomorrow or while mowing my lawn is that I feel those types of actions are just to get a rise out of others, and reflect poorly on other gun owners. (those are real posts, look them up) Why I ask people why. Raising 3 sons our house became the go to place to hang out and have fun, during those days I heard a lot of stupid things come out of the teenagers mouths about things they done and things they were thinking of doing. I found out then and through being management at work that if you ask people why they think what they did or what they are planning to do was a good idea (and not taking “I don’t know” of an answer) you can get them to think through their action and sometimes (most) they come to the realization that maybe it wasn’t the best idea. I have heard all the reasons for carry on this board from” It cool” to” it is my God given right” (God had nothing to do with that right, it was a bunch of wig wearing patriots that did) there was one post a while back that did make sense when he (or she) posted that if they would have had a gun at a time in their life that something bad happened that they would be a lot better off today. So in a nut shell, if you post that you are planning to do something that I think done just to get a reaction out of others, I may ask you why. Jim Ps, I’m sorry if this was hard to read, I never did well in English class. |
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Quoted: <snip> So in a nut shell, if you post that you are planning to do something that I think done just to get a reaction out of others, I may ask you why. Jim Ps, I’m sorry if this was hard to read, I never did well in English class. Why might you do that?  Yes, I was the class clown. 
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So, it has turned out that I may have become the neighborhood troll on the subject of concealed carry in the state of Wisconsin because I ask posters “why” they will be carrying and for some strange reason I’m OK with that. First off I’d like to clarify that I am a supporter of concealed carry and I do plan on applying for a permit someday, it just didn’t have to be yesterday because where I work and live I don’t fear for my families or my own safety. The reason I sake “why” when I see posts that talk about “I’m going to exercising my rights” and open carry at Fleet Farm today or let’s all go to Wal-Mart tomorrow or while mowing my lawn is that I feel those types of actions are just to get a rise out of others, and reflect poorly on other gun owners. (those are real posts, look them up) Why I ask people why. Raising 3 sons our house became the go to place to hang out and have fun, during those days I heard a lot of stupid things come out of the teenagers mouths about things they done and things they were thinking of doing. I found out then and through being management at work that if you ask people why they think what they did or what they are planning to do was a good idea (and not taking “I don’t know” of an answer) you can get them to think through their action and sometimes (most) they come to the realization that maybe it wasn’t the best idea. I have heard all the reasons for carry on this board from” It cool” to” it is my God given right” (God had nothing to do with that right, it was a bunch of wig wearing patriots that did) there was one post a while back that did make sense when he (or she) posted that if they would have had a gun at a time in their life that something bad happened that they would be a lot better off today. So in a nut shell, if you post that you are planning to do something that I think done just to get a reaction out of others, I may ask you why. Jim Ps, I’m sorry if this was hard to read, I never did well in English class. I don't think you are a complete troll. I think you are more like a cross between a troll and a fudd. Also, I dont care where you live or work. career criminal, and desperate people live everywhere. Good luck, you may need it. 
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Asking Who, What, Where, When or How pale in comparision to asking Why.
Why? There are no safe places, just safe people. I didn't read that in a book. It is what I have seen in my own life time. Even if you disagree with me on that, remember that all social and economic groups converge on certain areas, like gas stations, grocery stores, malls and the roads we drive. Roads also take you through unsafe areas. Failing to prepare is preparing to fail. How does that old saying for birth control go? Hope is not a method. |
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there was one post a while back that did make sense when he (or she) posted that if they would have had a gun at a time in their life that something bad happened that they would be a lot better off today.
Brother, having it WHEN you need it is a damn good feeling and you do NOT have to shoot it to have it change the course of history. A gun and a flashlight are beautiful things. On things like this, if you have to ask why, you probably don't get it. I would ask you why you think you can defend your loved ones with your bare hands? You are not a troll, maybe just leading a charmed life? |
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I have open carried a few times in the past, but it was a PITA loading and unloading, casing, etc.
Since 11/1/11, i've been open carrying everywhere. And will continue to do so until my permit arrives. I have yet to have anyone so much as bat an eye at me. And if you don't like that, feel free to move to a state where such conduct is unlawful. 
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I bet people in Crandon felt safe.... Just using that as an example.. small city, country setting.... Beat me to it. I was gonna mention Crandon, where 7 were shot, 6 died... by a LEO who snapped. Wasn't even a career criminal or gangbanger, it was one of the good guys... which just demonstrates you never know where, you never know when.. and you never know who or why. FWIW, I don't open carry much "in town". Mostly in the woods. I'm more worried about 4 leggers than 2 leggers. I think open carrying is a bit too "show-off-ish" for me, but I don't look down on those who do. That's their choice, and I expect the same respect from them for my opinion and decision not to. But I always always always have a firearm, or two, or three, in my vehicles. Right now, my everyday work truck contains a handgun (G19), a rifle (custom Ruger 10-22), and a shotgun (20ga. Mossberg 500)... all unloaded, encased, out-of-reach, and locked in tool cabinets. When I get my permit, I'll add my Kahr CM9, but it will be loaded and uncased, and likely on my person concealed. The others will stay in the truck in case they're needed. This ain't no city, it's the northwoods, and I carry around the shotgun (in the fall only) for grouse, the 10-22 for 4 legged varmints, Glock 19 for 2 legged varmints. If there's cell service where and when you need a cop up here, they might be at the other end of the county and 30+ minutes away. The average response time to a 911 call (if your phone even works) is 20 minutes. The average response time of a 9mm +P is about 1,200 FPS. 
I know it's cliche... but I'd rather have guns and not need them, than need them and not have them... or, how about this one - I carry a gun because most cops are too heavy to carry everywhere? |
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I bet people in Crandon felt safe.... Just using that as an example.. small city, country setting.... Good example. You are correct. I have a familial relationship to victim Bradley Schultz and can speak first hand. I'm less than 40 miles, and I work there a lot. I just did a big job at the school all those kids went to. Didn't know any victims or families... met the shooter once though. Seemed like a nice kid. Who knew? 
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Glenn can explain it better than I can, but crime is consistent, no matter where you live. If you think you are safer because you live in a small town, you are dangerously wrong. I think a good example would be Meth. Meth use and addiction is an epidemic in rural America. I sure wouldn't feel particularly safe around a paranoid tweaker. |
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I noticed you said you don't fear for your families safety. Good for you, neither do I. My carrying a gun has absolutely nothing to do with fear. If fear was the case, then I shouldn't be carrying due to possibly shooting in fear. I carry for personal safety but again, not out of fear. I live in the northwoods and my neighborhood is mostly middle age to elderly. Yet there was a gawking pervert who lived up the road when my daughters were teenagers. When he came on my property (and I had no clue about guns), I stood up face to face with him and chased him off my property. A kid from a nice family went off the deep end, threatened suicide, left home and ran thru neighborhoods until he found a car he could steal. Yep, just a few doors from my house. Last year some punk kids from the nearby reservation came into MY neighborhood hiding, just after abandoning a stolen car. There are a lot more stories I can cite but they are not from the nightly news. They are from my scanner. There is so much crime out there but many don't hear about it. I'm no spring chicken and couldn't fight off someone attacking me. Just how am I supposed to protect myself? Just today, I needed to walk deep in the woods to check out a property for a violation. I left my car without my gun and thought, lions and tigers and bears OH MY! Not, but just what if I needed some type of protection and didn't have hit so I walked back and got it. Think of it this way, I don't need a tampon every day of the month but I carry them JUST IN CASE. I'm prepared!!! |
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I noticed you said you don't fear for your families safety. Good for you, neither do I. My carrying a gun has absolutely nothing to do with fear. If fear was the case, then I shouldn't be carrying due to possibly shooting in fear. I carry for personal safety but again, not out of fear. I live in the northwoods and my neighborhood is mostly middle age to elderly. Yet there was a gawking pervert who lived up the road when my daughters were teenagers. When he came on my property (and I had no clue about guns), I stood up face to face with him and chased him off my property. A kid from a nice family went off the deep end, threatened suicide, left home and ran thru neighborhoods until he found a car he could steal. Yep, just a few doors from my house. Last year some punk kids from the nearby reservation came into MY neighborhood hiding, just after abandoning a stolen car. There are a lot more stories I can cite but they are not from the nightly news. They are from my scanner. There is so much crime out there but many don't hear about it. I'm no spring chicken and couldn't fight off someone attacking me. Just how am I supposed to protect myself? Just today, I needed to walk deep in the woods to check out a property for a violation. I left my car without my gun and thought, lions and tigers and bears OH MY! Not, but just what if I needed some type of protection and didn't have hit so I walked back and got it. Think of it this way, I don't need a tampon every day of the month but I carry them JUST IN CASE. I'm prepared!!! I'm not far from you... two towns over, to the east. I live on a dead end road 5 miles from town. One way in, one way out... unless you're a good swimmer. Of the 15 homes off that road, two are Vilas County sheriff deputies, and another is a retired city cop. 6 "fudds" and 2 "gun-nuts" live here also. It's still not 100% safe. Nowhere is... but it beats the crap out of a big city down south. Been there, done that. Never again. Next time I'm in your town, I might stop in and say hi. You in the same new building as the P.D.? I did some work there... evidence lockers all came on the same key, and I rekeyed them to be differant. One of the cops there is a friend. His wife used to manage the M & I bank branch there, and I did a lot of work there too. I was just through your area yesterday... did a tax repo in LDF for Vilas county... alone. And yes, I was packing.
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Quoted: So, it has turned out that I may have become the neighborhood troll on the subject of concealed carry in the state of Wisconsin because I ask posters "why” they will be carrying and for some strange reason I’m OK with that. Even though it is not against the CoC, it's not a good idea to call yourself a troll then explain what you are doing. People can and do get in trouble for that stuff. Be careful. First off I’d like to clarify that I am a supporter of concealed carry and I do plan on applying for a permit someday, it just didn’t have to be yesterday because where I work and live I don’t fear for my families or my own safety. Sorta like the "I am not a racist, but.." preface we always hear just before a statement that is obviously otherwise? The reason I sake "why” when I see posts that talk about "I’m going to exercising my rights” and open carry at Fleet Farm today or let’s all go to Wal-Mart tomorrow or while mowing my lawn is that I feel those types of actions are just to get a rise out of others, and reflect poorly on other gun owners. (those are real posts, look them up) Up until yesterday, that was the only way to exercise a constitutional right, even today, aside from a few transplants and speedy (and lucky) few it will be the case for a long time. You get to decide what "gun owners" are? Here in WI, they are basically FUDDs. Everybody else is a minority. You are saying, essentially in the end, that we do not have the right to carry guns. So, let me ask YOU something, why do you think people should not carry guns? Did the new law magically cause the right to come into existence? If not, your view on it will be very hard to support. Why I ask people why. Raising 3 sons our house became the go to place to hang out and have fun, during those days I heard a lot of stupid things come out of the teenagers mouths about things they done and things they were thinking of doing. I found out then and through being management at work that if you ask people why they think what they did or what they are planning to do was a good idea (and not taking "I don’t know” of an answer) you can get them to think through their action and sometimes (most) they come to the realization that maybe it wasn’t the best idea. Yes, that is true people should have reasons. You apparently don't take "to defend myself" or "to exercise my rights" to be a valid reason despite the response coming from someone who was specifically asked and gave that response. Why ask the question if you already know they will be lying to you when they say "defend myself"? I have heard all the reasons for carry on this board from” It cool” to” it is my God given right” (God had nothing to do with that right, it was a bunch of wig wearing patriots that did) there was one post a while back that did make sense when he (or she) posted that if they would have had a gun at a time in their life that something bad happened that they would be a lot better off today. You heard them all, and yet listened to none of them, and aren't concerned about anybody else's opinions or rights. So in a nut shell, if you post that you are planning to do something that I think done just to get a reaction out of others, I may ask you why. Keep living in your own made up world. Though, I don't know why you would. It seems like a scary and confusing place. Of course, when someone says "to defend myself" there must be some other meaning, they meant something completely different! NO other explanation is possible! Jim Ps, I’m sorry if this was hard to read, I never did well in English class.  |
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Quoted: I noticed you said you don't fear for your families safety. Good for you, neither do I. My carrying a gun has absolutely nothing to do with fear. If fear was the case, then I shouldn't be carrying due to possibly shooting in fear. I carry for personal safety but again, not out of fear. I live in the northwoods and my neighborhood is mostly middle age to elderly. Yet there was a gawking pervert who lived up the road when my daughters were teenagers. When he came on my property (and I had no clue about guns), I stood up face to face with him and chased him off my property. A kid from a nice family went off the deep end, threatened suicide, left home and ran thru neighborhoods until he found a car he could steal. Yep, just a few doors from my house. Last year some punk kids from the nearby reservation came into MY neighborhood hiding, just after abandoning a stolen car. There are a lot more stories I can cite but they are not from the nightly news. They are from my scanner. There is so much crime out there but many don't hear about it. I'm no spring chicken and couldn't fight off someone attacking me. Just how am I supposed to protect myself? Just today, I needed to walk deep in the woods to check out a property for a violation. I left my car without my gun and thought, lions and tigers and bears OH MY! Not, but just what if I needed some type of protection and didn't have hit so I walked back and got it. Think of it this way, I don't need a tampon every day of the month but I carry them JUST IN CASE. I'm prepared!!! That would make an excellent sign for a woman (or sandy mangina arfcommer) to have at a pro-carry event. Female sig line material as well.
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Thanks guys for the feedback, it will help at this weeks therapy session
Just to clarify things, I would never and have never commented negatively on anyones posts that were about basic CC or personal safety. Jim Sorry you feel this way, not sure why you decided to take up your own cross against CCW. Now my question to you is why is this such a big deal for you? Are you against firearms? Are you afraid of people carrying? Do you enjoy stirring the pot? |
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Quoted: Not connected with the new P.D. Work for the town govt. Stop by at the town hall, I'm way in the back with the mug shot of the 6' 6"++, 350lbs guy that tried to attack me a few years ago. I feel sooooo safe with my restraining order LOL. AND if you have your permit, we're not posted! Yea!!!Next time I'm in your town, I might stop in and say hi. You in the same new building as the P.D.? I did some work there... evidence lockers all came on the same key, and I rekeyed them to be differant. One of the cops there is a friend. His wife used to manage the M & I bank branch there, and I did a lot of work there too. I was just through your area yesterday... did a tax repo in LDF for Vilas county... alone. And yes, I was packing. |
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I know the OP a bit and I can say he appears to me as a stand up guy. He is a shooter and a good guy. He has been nice and friendly in all of our meeting.
That said, how is asking why someone wants to carry considered trolling? I don't believe he is against CCW not only because he says so in his post, but I have never gotten that read from him or has he ever said he is against in any of our converstions. I am not sure why everyone is getting worked up over this.I mean all he asked is whhy is everyone choosing to carry? Unless I missed something I don't see how it's trolling or otherwise. Perhaps I am bias because I know him. |
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That said, how is asking why someone wants to carry considered trolling? Well... many feel that no justification/reasoning is needed. Would it be appropriate to ask a woman why she would want to vote? Why all men want to be considered equal? Why we should have the right to remain silent? I can certainly understand that no harm was meant. But with all the "ZOMG CCW THERE WILL BE BLOOD IN THE STREETS!!!!" people tend to automatically go on the defensive.... even if not entirely appropriate. |
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I know the OP a bit and I can say he appears to me as a stand up guy. He is a shooter and a good guy. He has been nice and friendly in all of our meeting. That said, how is asking why someone wants to carry considered trolling? I don't believe he is against CCW not only because he says so in his post, but I have never gotten that read from him or has he ever said he is against in any of our converstions. I am not sure why everyone is getting worked up over this.I mean all he asked is whhy is everyone choosing to carry? Unless I missed something I don't see how it's trolling or otherwise. Perhaps I am bias because I know him. Isn't he the same guy who asked "How long until the first CC person shoots themselves in leg or a$$?" The only other place I've seen such a question was from anti-gun liberal nut-cases who post comments on JS-Online's CC stories. I thought it was a sarcastic thread... but he was serious. So it makes you just a little bit skeptical. OTOH, he's entitled to his opinion, I just didn't expect to see that attitude here, except from maybe, you know...a "troll"?
We've all had our differances in opinions from time the time. I'm a strong supporter of Gov. Walker, others here are not. As far as I'm concerned, that's no big deal. If Walker's done something that effects them personally, I don't blame them, I'd probably feel the same if in their shoes. As long as their distaste for Walker doesn't make them support someone much worse, when all things are considered (like Barrett or Doyle), we can still get along. If Shooterer supports CC but is just concerned some might not handle it well, then that's a good thing, and may make some rethink exactly why they do carry. I think I carry for the right reasons... because I've seen some bad things happen to good people, who might've been spared the bad things if they had some means of defense. I don't carry because it's "macho" or "cool". I don't carry 24/7 on my person, nor will I. Only when I think I might be in a bad situation. A gun is always in my vehicles. Others might not agree with that. That's OK too. I just want the option for when I think I might need it... and on several occasions I have avoided trouble with some miscreants simply because I made it known to them that I won't be an "easy" victim. My job takes me into some "iffy" situations. I respond to "domestic" situations from time to time, and I'm usually the 1st one there after the cops & EMTs leave. My job is to rekey and secure the home for the abused. Sometimes the abuser has fled before cops got there. They leave, I'm there, Mr. Badass wife-beater comes back while I'm still there. Now I'm his target. It's happened more than once. Lately I've been relocking foreclosures. I'm there alone, and I've had the evicted people return. They're not too happy with me being there, but it's my job. I just want to have every advantage in my favor that I can, so I can come home every night. |
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I just want to have every advantage in my favor that I can, so I can come home every night. This I have said it before and I will say it again. It doesn't matter who you are or where you live. there are career criminals and desperate people everywhere. the money in my wallet may be what they need to feed their family. As sad as that is, I have 1* |
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As a point of fact, the right of self defense was not granted/given by any man. It was codified by men, sure, but the right to life and the defense thereof existed long before this country was even a twinkle in the collective eye of our founding fathers.
As to the rest of your original post, I couldn't care less if you ask my why I carry. Just don't be surprised if I ask you why you DON'T carry, since to me, that's the more pertinent question. |
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That said, how is asking why someone wants to carry considered trolling? Well... many feel that no justification/reasoning is needed. Would it be appropriate to ask a woman why she would want to vote? Why all men want to be considered equal? Why we should have the right to remain silent? I can certainly understand that no harm was meant. But with all the "ZOMG CCW THERE WILL BE BLOOD IN THE STREETS!!!!" people tend to automatically go on the defensive.... even if not entirely appropriate. I see your point and 45colts point. Let me ask this. Would there be as much uproar if he asked, "Why aren't you going to CCW? |
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That said, how is asking why someone wants to carry considered trolling? Well... many feel that no justification/reasoning is needed. Would it be appropriate to ask a woman why she would want to vote? Why all men want to be considered equal? Why we should have the right to remain silent? I can certainly understand that no harm was meant. But with all the "ZOMG CCW THERE WILL BE BLOOD IN THE STREETS!!!!" people tend to automatically go on the defensive.... even if not entirely appropriate. I see your point and 45colts point. Let me ask this. Would there be as much uproar if he asked, "Why aren't you going to CCW? Probably not, its your right to be helpless if you want just as much as its your right to defend yourself now. 90% of the people are happy we can now carry if we choose, and the other 10% can go about their merry way just like they did before CC passed. |
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Guys please, I don’t want to start any bad feelings between each other over my post.
None of my “why” posts were intended for concealed carry threads I thought I only commented on the “I’m planning on open carrying over at” posts. Sorry for the confusion. Carry on. (get it? )
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Guys please, I don’t want to start any bad feelings between each other over my post. None of my “why” posts were intended for concealed carry threads I thought I only commented on the “I’m planning on open carrying over at” posts. Sorry for the confusion. Carry on. (get it? )I don't think there is any bad blood. I am just discussing/debating. I am told I am a master debater. |
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Guys please, I don’t want to start any bad feelings between each other over my post. None of my “why” posts were intended for concealed carry threads I thought I only commented on the “I’m planning on open carrying over at” posts. Sorry for the confusion. Carry on. (get it? )I don't think there is any bad blood. I am just discussing/debating. I am told I am a masterdebater. FIFY |
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Guys please, I don’t want to start any bad feelings between each other over my post. None of my “why” posts were intended for concealed carry threads I thought I only commented on the “I’m planning on open carrying over at” posts. Sorry for the confusion. Carry on. (get it? )I don't have any bad feelings, its just as much your right to not carry as it is my right to carry. Well maybe I'll feel bad for someones family when they get hurt or their family gets hurt by their "feeling of safeness". |
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The reason I sake “why” when I see posts that talk about “I’m going to exercising my rights” and open carry at Fleet Farm today or let’s all go to Wal-Mart tomorrow or while mowing my lawn is that I feel those types of actions are just to get a rise out of others, and reflect poorly on other gun owners. (those are real posts, look them up) I have heard all the reasons for carry on this board from” It cool” to” it is my God given right” (God had nothing to do with that right, it was a bunch of wig wearing patriots that did) It is unreasonable for a supporter of firearms Rights to insist that others hide their firearms because a hyper-sensitive individual may be offended. The 1st Amendment declares our right to offend others with our speech so long as we do not incite imminent lawlessness. I mention this as an illustration that nobody has a Constitutional Right to be free from that which offends them, frightens them or makes them uncomfortable in any way. All of us do, however, have an essential Civil Liberty to Bear Arms. The more that the carry of firearms is normalized in our culture, the better off we will all be. Our children should be educated that reasonable responsible adults carry firearms even if they are not LEOs. Every person they see with a gun is not a bad person and the fact that they can see the firearm actually infers that it is a good person because they are not hiding the handgun for fear of being "caught". Do you realize how much positive education has occurred because myself and others have Open Carried in Fleet Farm, WalMart, Best Buy, Shopko, M&I Bank, Wells Fargo Bank, Chase Bank, etc...?? Nobody in a wig gave me the right to Bear Arms. Those Wise men recognized that our Right to self defense IS a God Given Right (endowed by our creator). Our Right to defend against an oppressive government or a rapist IS unalienable. Perhaps you have heard of a little thing called the Declaration of Independence.. “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed.”
The US Constitution and the WI State Constitution do not give us the Right To Bear Arms. They both AFFIRM this as a right and declare that the Government shall not infringe upon these Civil Liberties. I am trying to answer your question of "WHY" and not start a fight although I am willing to discuss and debate this subject Openly... . Carry On... 
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I'll answer the man straight up....
Yeah, when I open carry I do so to get a rise and reaction out of people. As long as I'm within the letter of the law, there's nothing they can do about it, short of sending the police to "contact" me, and dealing with them is a completely different can of worms altogether. Yup. I do it to make whiney sheep and liberals quiver in fear, because frankly they need to get used to it. Their irrational fear is a product of being misinformed, not my problem. Oh, and I'm that guy who will continue to open carry, because I don't believe I need a stinkin' permit to exercise my rights. |