Posted: 11/2/2011 11:57:07 AM EDT
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On a traffic stop do you have to tell the officer that you are carrying or have a concealed weapon in the vehicle?
I was just wondering what the law is? I'm not asking if you should or not I'm just wondering whats required under the new law. |
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On a traffic stop do you have to tell the officer that you are carrying or have a concealed weapon in the vehicle? I was just wondering what the law is? I'm not asking if you should or not I'm just wondering whats required under the new law. You do not legally have to proclaim that you are armed if stopped in WI. If you are asked about firearms in the car it is illegal to lie to a LEO. If he sees a firearm and asks for a Carry License you must present it. If you want to "dumb up", you risk the consequences should he decide that he has RAS for a search. Personally the officer is getting my Carry License along with my DL but I will not proclaim that "I have a gun!" 
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They may already know once the plate is in the computer. The LEO that taught my training class gave the "hands on the wheel, wait to be asked to do something before doing" speech. (Which is a good idea even if you aren't a CC Permit holder.) That, and tell them if they ask you to get a registration that is near the gun in a glove compartment. Posters in other states say most of the time the LEO doesn't want it out and instructs to leave it in place and stay away from it. I'll probably hand over both the permit and license when asked for the license if I was carrying. Just the license if I wasn't. Then again, I don't drive in such a way that has ever gotten me any LEO attention so it probably won't matter.
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On a traffic stop do you have to tell the officer that you are carrying or have a concealed weapon in the vehicle? I was just wondering what the law is? I'm not asking if you should or not I'm just wondering whats required under the new law. You do not legally have to proclaim that you are armed if stopped in WI. If you are asked about firearms in the car it is illegal to lie to a LEO. If he sees a firearm and asks for a Carry License you must present it. If you want to "dumb up", you risk the consequences should he decide that he has RAS for a search. Personally the officer is getting my Carry License along with my DL but I will not proclaim that "I have a gun!" This. I plan on keeping my CC license right next to my DL, if I get pulled over I'll hand them both over. |
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I think the perfect gift for a police officer would be a dark chocolate revolver. They're pretty busy, so it's probably best to just run up to them with it yelling, "Hey Officer! Hey Officer!" (Apologies to Jack Handey) Well... If you do it make sure someone tapes you, so they can make a training video about the proper way to beat someones ass with a candy gun. 
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On a traffic stop do you have to tell the officer that you are carrying or have a concealed weapon in the vehicle? I was just wondering what the law is? I'm not asking if you should or not I'm just wondering whats required under the new law. You do not legally have to proclaim that you are armed if stopped in WI. If you are asked about firearms in the car it is illegal to lie to a LEO. If he sees a firearm and asks for a Carry License you must present it. If you want to "dumb up", you risk the consequences should he decide that he has RAS for a search. Personally the officer is getting my Carry License along with my DL but I will not proclaim that "I have a gun!" probably a good idea, its tough enough out there. not that i plan on getting pulled over soon but its good to have a plan. |
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Quoted: Quoted: I plan on keeping my CC license right next to my DL, if I get pulled over I'll hand them both over. Thank you. OP, you don't have to notify, unless asked, but it's a good idea. This but it would be wise to give a verbal clue if there is likely to be a view or print in the wallet retrieval. Just put yourself in their shoes. I would, however, recommend against "yo yo yo five o, funny you axe dawg, Is gots a heater in the glove box in case Is gots to blast a mofo". Then again, not everyone speaks like Flame (poke).  |
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They may already know once the plate is in the computer Time out, either they will know or they won't. Are LEO's going to be able to find this out during a routine stop? I hope not, because it affects how some cops approach you. Especailly nervous, unsure types who do not like guns. |
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Quoted: Quoted: They may already know once the plate is in the computer Time out, either they will know or they won't. Are LEO's going to be able to find this out during a routine stop? I hope not, because it affects how some cops approach you. Especailly nervous, unsure types who do not like guns. They will not know with the plate. It will come after they have your ID. The tie-in, if any, will be with the DL #. The way they structured the address match and DL # on the app. imply to me that will be the tie-in via the database versus running two places. There is technically no relationship (yet) to the plate/vehicle registration and your DL in WI, separate records. So even with the fancy Mobile License Plate Recognition systems that are now being deployed, they still poll the vehicle data only. In time however, a VIN will become the vehicle RFID which will become the unique identifier for a lot of things and push database integration for a lot of things. |
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From my experiences (out of state, carrying on a non-res):
Ignition off, keys on the dash, reach into my off-side back pocket for my wallet. Dome light on if at night, window down. Hands at ten and two, drivers and CW license in your left hand. "Officer, my registration and insurance is in the visor, here is my drivers and concealed weapons license. How would you like me to proceed?". Being upfront, clearly deliberate in keeping your hands away from where your gun is, and planning well enough to have everything out and as above just in case seems to go a long way at immediately putting the officer at ease. |
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From my experiences (out of state, carrying on a non-res): Ignition off, keys on the dash, reach into my off-side back pocket for my wallet. Dome light on if at night, window down. Hands at ten and two, drivers and CW license in your left hand. "Officer, my registration and insurance is in the visor, here is my drivers and concealed weapons license. How would you like me to proceed?". Being upfront, clearly deliberate in keeping your hands away from where your gun is, and planning well enough to have everything out and as above just in case seems to go a long way at immediately putting the officer at ease. If you have your license out before the officer approaches the car, it shouldn't matter which pocket your wallet is in. He doesn't know you have a weapon till he gets to the car and gets your permit, and you don't have anything else in your wallet he needs... |
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The hardest part will be getting use to carrying my wallet in my left pocket. I am going to consistently feel like I lost it. I figured the same thing out. I keep having the split second freak out and then remember its on the other side. I never even thought about that, I am going to stick it in my left pocket today and start getting use to it. |
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From my experiences (out of state, carrying on a non-res): Ignition off, keys on the dash, reach into my off-side back pocket for my wallet. Dome light on if at night, window down. Hands at ten and two, drivers and CW license in your left hand. "Officer, my registration and insurance is in the visor, here is my drivers and concealed weapons license. How would you like me to proceed?". Being upfront, clearly deliberate in keeping your hands away from where your gun is, and planning well enough to have everything out and as above just in case seems to go a long way at immediately putting the officer at ease. If you have your license out before the officer approaches the car, it shouldn't matter which pocket your wallet is in. He doesn't know you have a weapon till he gets to the car and gets your permit, and you don't have anything else in your wallet he needs... Officers tend to watch what your hands are doing no matter where/how you're stopped. If you're reaching for something while he walks up, or gets to you before you've gotten to that point, it's a good idea to have your wallet nowhere near your gun. It's easier to retrain yourself to go for a wallet in your left pocket, than it is to draw from your left side (as a righty). The officer is also likely to ask you where your gun is. If you say "IWB @ 3:30" (or something similar), it might just put him a little bit more at ease if your right hand hasn't left the steering wheel. OTOH, if you're seen scootching around and digging in your pocket right next to the gun, it just might make him a bit nervous when you tell him you're armed. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure here. |
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I guess we'll find out if a CCW license and DL are link the first time a member gets pulled over. The law says you only have to give them your license if asked for it. So if the LEO asks for you DL, walks back to his car, comes back to you and then asks for you CCW license..BINGO, they're linked.
If I'm not carrying I'm not going to voluntarily hand out my CCW license. If I'm currently armed it would probably not be a bad idea to be upfront andhand the LEO both DL and CCW when he asks for your DL. I'm sure the first thing a LEO will ask when they see a CCW license is, "Are you currently armed?" Followed by "Where is the weapon?". I've looked into this topic on other forums from other states and most of the time the 'gun' conversation ends there. Every once in a while someone has a story of a bumbling LEO then taking the weapon. Seems most LEO are cool about it. Time will tell how WI LEO react. My favorite line I came across was one in which the LEO just told the guy, "You don't show me yours, I won't show you mine". |
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From my experiences (out of state, carrying on a non-res): Ignition off, keys on the dash, reach into my off-side back pocket for my wallet. Dome light on if at night, window down. Hands at ten and two, drivers and CW license in your left hand. "Officer, my registration and insurance is in the visor, here is my drivers and concealed weapons license. How would you like me to proceed?". Being upfront, clearly deliberate in keeping your hands away from where your gun is, and planning well enough to have everything out and as above just in case seems to go a long way at immediately putting the officer at ease. If you have your license out before the officer approaches the car, it shouldn't matter which pocket your wallet is in. He doesn't know you have a weapon till he gets to the car and gets your permit, and you don't have anything else in your wallet he needs... Officers tend to watch what your hands are doing no matter where/how you're stopped. If you're reaching for something while he walks up, or gets to you before you've gotten to that point, it's a good idea to have your wallet nowhere near your gun. It's easier to retrain yourself to go for a wallet in your left pocket, than it is to draw from your left side (as a righty). The officer is also likely to ask you where your gun is. If you say "IWB @ 3:30" (or something similar), it might just put him a little bit more at ease if your right hand hasn't left the steering wheel. OTOH, if you're seen scootching around and digging in your pocket right next to the gun, it just might make him a bit nervous when you tell him you're armed. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure here. I see where you're coming from, i still don't think it's a problem. He doesn't know you have the gun until you give him the license. Which means if you get the wallet out while he is there, he doesn't know you have a gun...he will treat you like every other guy that keeps his wallet in his right rear pocket. He could assume you have a gun on your left hip as well...there are left handed people out there. I've always gotten my wallet out before the cop gets to my window...I could have been getting a gun back then too...none of them seemed to care. Looking at it from the cops point of view, unless you produce the weapon before he knows you have it, he won't have anything to get upset about. |
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An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure here. I see where you're coming from, i still don't think it's a problem. How often have you been pulled over while carrying? I have a short attention span for things like speed limit and stop signs, a lead foot, and carry quite often. Do the math. By no means am I suggesting it's required, rather I have found it to be a "best practice" kind of deal. |
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Ignition off, my window down, drivers side rear window down, dome lights on, hands on wheel. Two cops, passenger side windows go down too. I don't get anything out or make a move for anything in my vehicle. If the cop needs my license, he will say so. It is in my wallet which is in my console. So is my proof of Insurance and registration. I will tell him so before I get it out. There is never a weapon in my console so non issue.
I have a routine when I get in my truck that revolves around all my daily carry stuff. Wallet, guns, knives, my "pocket gear pouch" all go in the same places each time I get in. Routine is my prevention. I never sit on my wallet. That is actually bad for your spine if you drive a lot. No gun is on me while I dirve, there are better places to have it available and out of sight. It is your vehicle so you are free to rig holsters and holders for them. In short order you could find yourself with three handguns in the car. Car gun, carry gun, pocket gun. Then there are the guns of spouses and friends who carry. They need spaces and places for their stuff. Three ARFCOM guys in one vehcile and it looks like Pancho Villa rides again. My routine is not the only one or best one but a routine is a good thing. I don't forget where things are, I don't jump out with a gun on but I have access to them. On the subject of retraining yourself, carry your keys and/or something else like a money clip to toss in your front weakhand pocket. I am two handed but it still took me about a year to force myself to always put that stuff in my left pocket. You get jacked, reach in, pull out keys and toss down and out to your left, 10 oclock, bad guys right. His eyes will probably follow it if he wants it. draw your gun when he does. (I am not talking about when you are sitting in the vehiclel) |