[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Who got the email? (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 11/1/2011 5:44:23 AM EDT
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Stating their employer will not allow legally permitted employee's to carry on their property?
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Also said we MUST keep our weapons 'out of site' in our vehicle while it's in the parking lot. They had signs posted last week. |
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got to work this morning met with the no ccw 5x7" sign laminated and taped to the front door
we have a progressive reloading bench set up and theres shooting targets taped to the walls in the manager and bosses office i thought i was working at a gun friendly business, boy was i wrong Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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got to work this morning met with the no ccw 5x7" sign laminated and taped to the front door we have a progressive reloading bench set up and theres shooting targets taped to the walls in the manager and bosses office i thought i was working at a gun friendly business, boy was i wrong Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Corporate policy? |
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Walking out the door yesterday there we new signs posted at the employee entrance and main public entrance - but at none of the other entrances/exits (service doors, shop doors, etc). Pretty much only posted at the main doors. They put out an addendum to our employee handbook last month saying no weapons allowed. I am hoping to talk them into reviewing this after 1 year to see if they'll allow folks who are not on the machine shop floor or atleast taking down the signs. Most likely just a dream, but it's what I got |
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Just saw them putting up the signs.... I'm actually shocked... thought our owner was pro 2nd... but seems he is a just a chump. Next time he tries to show me his pictures with Scott Walker, I'm just gonna blow him off.. Talks a big game about being conservative because he knows I'm a tea party member.
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got to work this morning met with the no ccw 5x7" sign laminated and taped to the front door we have a progressive reloading bench set up and theres shooting targets taped to the walls in the manager and bosses office i thought i was working at a gun friendly business, boy was i wrong Corporate policy? nope no corporate.. in house decision, i think its bs my boss taught me how to reload at work, we've gone shooting together and he told me a few months ago how he went and did a utah training course to get his ccw guess its ok for him but not the peons Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Walking out the door yesterday there we new signs posted at the employee entrance and main public entrance - but at none of the other entrances/exits (service doors, shop doors, etc). Pretty much only posted at the main doors. They put out an addendum to our employee handbook last month saying no weapons allowed. I am hoping to talk them into reviewing this after 1 year to see if they'll allow folks who are not on the machine shop floor or atleast taking down the signs. Most likely just a dream, but it's what I got What have you got against machinists? I came to work yesterday with that sign on the employee entrance too, but also not on the shop doors (where I work). It actually says no weapons allowed, but a lot of us guys in the shop used to work on our guns or show them off there. Now it sounds like thats verbotten also. |
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I think a lot of signs are going up simply because that's how the media has been conditioning businesses to react. It will take a bit of time and some very calm voices stating facts and using relevant examples to change things, but I'm pretty sure that a lot of the signs that are going up today and that went up last week will begin to disappear. Businesses owned by individuals and families in particular may be swayed by the liability protection that they will obtain if the either don't post/prohibit or reverse their initial decisions. Deep breaths. Look where we are today compared to where we were three years ago. P. |
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All of the emails i've gotten on the issue start with
"To provide a safe work environment..." How does disarming legally permitted carriers make the place more safe? Are you going to provide security? Because as of now, anyone off the street can walk through any of the doors in this building without anyone even looking at them weird. We've had plenty of people walk all the way to the bathrooms in the office without being stopped. 
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Quoted: Not a thing - I'd rather talk to the machinists than the cube dwellers Quoted: Walking out the door yesterday there we new signs posted at the employee entrance and main public entrance - but at none of the other entrances/exits (service doors, shop doors, etc). Pretty much only posted at the main doors. They put out an addendum to our employee handbook last month saying no weapons allowed. I am hoping to talk them into reviewing this after 1 year to see if they'll allow folks who are not on the machine shop floor or atleast taking down the signs. Most likely just a dream, but it's what I got What have you got against machinists? I came to work yesterday with that sign on the employee entrance too, but also not on the shop doors (where I work). It actually says no weapons allowed, but a lot of us guys in the shop used to work on our guns or show them off there. Now it sounds like thats verbotten also.  If I knew I wouldn't get reamed by the head of mfg, I'd be asking the shop folks for a bunch of things on the side. |
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If you're comfortable, I'd love to know what businesses these are, so I know to spend my money elsewhere. I have yet to encounter a no CCW sign in the Point area, other than at Buffalo Wild Wings. Last time I was at Farm and Fleet I think they had signs posted, this was months ago so I dont know if anything changed since. |
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If you're comfortable, I'd love to know what businesses these are, so I know to spend my money elsewhere. I have yet to encounter a no CCW sign in the Point area, other than at Buffalo Wild Wings. Last time I was at Farm and Fleet I think they had signs posted, this was months ago so I dont know if anything changed since. There is no Farm and Fleet in Point. As for Fleet Farm, they are very much carry friendly. Link |
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My company has another facility in a carry state so we already have a "no weapons while on the job" policy in the books. But just to be sure, we had some company wide meetings to reiterate that.
We got some gun guys here and a while back some of them were doing show n' tell in the parking lot after their shift. Some uptight passerby saw a couple of guys oogling over a hunting rifle and called the cops to report the ambiguious MWAG. By the time every cop within a 10mile radius swarmed in, the show n' tellers had all left for home. The police then raided and locked down the facility to track down this gunman and/or gunmen. After an hour or so they reviewed the security camera footage to see what the deal was. They then contacted the show n' tellers and told them they didn't do anything technically illegal, but just don't do it again. It's not the guns causing any problems, it's people ultrsensitivities and over-reactions that cause problems. |
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Quoted: got to work this morning met with the no ccw 5x7" sign laminated and taped to the front door we have a progressive reloading bench set up and theres shooting targets taped to the walls in the manager and bosses office i thought i was working at a gun friendly business, boy was i wrong Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Ouch. Ask Pokernut what to do. I'm sure he'd know. |
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On a related note, has anybody seen posted, or know where to get a sign that says "Concealed carry is welcome here" or something to that effect? I think that we might make up a sign that says "Concealed carry is welcome here. Dang! That's Good." That would be my new favorite store. 
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On a related note, has anybody seen posted, or know where to get a sign that says "Concealed carry is welcome here" or something to that effect? I think that we might make up a sign that says "Concealed carry is welcome here. Dang! That's Good." That would be my new favorite store. I picked up two cases a couple weeks ago. 
Next time I come up I will have to bring you some. |
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The building owners came around and posted the entrance to each floor today, EXCEPT MINE!!!! The main entrances are not posted, and even the floors that are posted don't count because they used 2 3" anti circles, one with a gun and one with a knife. This is an invalid posting correct? My company is on a secure floor, it's not even listed in the building directory and they didn't post our floor. I re-read through my employee manual today, no weapon policy stated. No email or comment from HR today. Hopefully I am in the clear! App was mailed from the Middleton Post Office at 10AM! |
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On a related note, has anybody seen posted, or know where to get a sign that says "Concealed carry is welcome here" or something to that effect? I think that we might make up a sign that says "Concealed carry is welcome here. Dang! That's Good." That would be my new favorite store. I picked up two cases a couple weeks ago.
Next time I come up I will have to bring you some. And you'll be carrying too, right?
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: On a related note, has anybody seen posted, or know where to get a sign that says "Concealed carry is welcome here" or something to that effect? I think that we might make up a sign that says "Concealed carry is welcome here. Dang! That's Good." That would be my new favorite store. I picked up two cases a couple weeks ago. Next time I come up I will have to bring you some. Copy cat. That would be a fantastic sign to have. I'd have to purchase some extra cases. Oh wait, I have to do that anyway. We are out and the kids are begging. By the way, I found the Suburpia by the airport has the regular root beer on tap. Time to purchase an in-home dispenser if I can find a steal of a deal. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: On a related note, has anybody seen posted, or know where to get a sign that says "Concealed carry is welcome here" or something to that effect? I think that we might make up a sign that says "Concealed carry is welcome here. Dang! That's Good." That would be my new favorite store. I picked up two cases a couple weeks ago. Next time I come up I will have to bring you some. And you'll be carrying too, right? I will be, especially in your our neighborhood. |
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On a related note, has anybody seen posted, or know where to get a sign that says "Concealed carry is welcome here" or something to that effect? I think that we might make up a sign that says "Concealed carry is welcome here. Dang! That's Good." That would be my new favorite store. I picked up two cases a couple weeks ago.
Next time I come up I will have to bring you some. And you'll be carrying too, right? I will be, especially in your our neighborhood.
Well of course I will be. I figured that goes without saying. 
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so an update to my earlier post about my work posting the sign. i was confronted by my manager after work about it and was told that a coworker of mine was supposedly gloating yesterday about being able to carry a gun and my manager doesnt like the idea of this individual being at work with a firearm so that was her reasoning for the sign going up. i said well thats bothersome because it affects other people who want to carry such as myself. she then just went into a blah blah i talked to a lawyer and blah blah if we dont have a sign up we could get sued if something happened |
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On a related note, has anybody seen posted, or know where to get a sign that says "Concealed carry is welcome here" or something to that effect? I think that we might make up a sign that says "Concealed carry is welcome here. Dang! That's Good." I went to Gander tonight after work to see what was on gun supply clearance since I would be driving past it. They have a sign asking you to check any weapons or bows at the front desk. The last paragraph said something to the effect of this sign does not apply to those who are carrying a weapon in accordance with state law. It is the only non-negative sign I have seen. I saw alot of computer made no carry signs in the meat packing area of Milwaukee on my way home. |
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On a related note, has anybody seen posted, or know where to get a sign that says "Concealed carry is welcome here" or something to that effect? I think that we might make up a sign that says "Concealed carry is welcome here. Dang! That's Good." I went to Gander tonight after work to see what was on gun supply clearance since I would be driving past it. They have a sign asking you to check any weapons or bows at the front desk. The last paragraph said something to the effect of this sign does not apply to those who are carrying a weapon in accordance with state law. It is the only non-negative sign I have seen. I saw alot of computer made no carry signs in the meat packing area of Milwaukee on my way home. Interesting. They don't want you to pack heat where they pack meat. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: On a related note, has anybody seen posted, or know where to get a sign that says "Concealed carry is welcome here" or something to that effect? I think that we might make up a sign that says "Concealed carry is welcome here. Dang! That's Good." I went to Gander tonight after work to see what was on gun supply clearance since I would be driving past it. They have a sign asking you to check any weapons or bows at the front desk. The last paragraph said something to the effect of this sign does not apply to those who are carrying a weapon in accordance with state law. It is the only non-negative sign I have seen. I saw alot of computer made no carry signs in the meat packing area of Milwaukee on my way home. Interesting. They don't want you to pack heat where they pack meat. What? The ghey bars posted? |
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Boss owner is a gun owner/shooter. Pro-carry, and I shoot with him now and then. I did ask him casually what he was going to do last summer about CCW in regards to the business, and he didn't know. Although he has a bit of a head-in-the-sand attitude, and feels little need for it out in Pewaukee where we work in a biz-park. He wants the permit for "Having the option when he feels the need to carry". Statistically, living/working in the outer-ring burbs, he may be somewhat "right", but the point is you can't chose when/where something goes down. I'm guessing it's his way of giving a "soft no" without coming full out and saying it since he's been in support of the law passing.
Small company, only 24 employees, 19 of them at our main office, the other 5 around the country working from home. We don't have any walk-in business, save for the occasional person who's lost, looking for other companies that share the building, or the UPS/FEDEX guy. Handbook has a thing about weapons, although it was just copy-paste from some generic HR source years ago. I suspect the "unofficial" policy will be don't ask, don't tell, but it's your ass if you print, show, scare another employee, or get made somehow. You're covered by the car/parking lot portion of the law, and there's no need to post a sign. It's a jeans and t-shirt IT/software environment, so complete latitude to dress for concealment will be no problem. It's a far cry from "carry is OK here", but from what I've read above, it could be a lot worse. 
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so an update to my earlier post about my work posting the sign. i was confronted by my manager after work about it and was told that a coworker of mine was supposedly gloating yesterday about being able to carry a gun and my manager doesnt like the idea of this individual being at work with a firearm so that was her reasoning for the sign going up.
i said well thats bothersome because it affects other people who want to carry such as myself. she then just went into a blah blah i talked to a lawyer and blah blah if we dont have a sign up we could get sued if something happened And if something happens and you get hurt/killed without being able to defend yourself its on their shoulders now. There is a lot of responsibility resting on these places that are posting "no ccw" signs, its now their job to maintain your safety since you are defenseless. |
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And if something happens and you get hurt/killed without being able to defend yourself its on their shoulders now. There is a lot of responsibility resting on these places that are posting "no ccw" signs, its now their job to maintain your safety since you are defenseless. This is an interesting theory. I'm not a liability lawyer, but I've spoken to some knowledgeable lawyers who don't believe companies have any increased liability for posting "no weapons" signs. The business didn't cause you to be attacked, and they tried to prevent the attacker from having a weapon by posting a sign. Could even argue you voluntarily entered the premises knowing you couldn't carry. Shrug. Not saying it's right, but I think it's wishful thinking to believe that posting a "no weapons" sign makes the business any more responsible. Has any other state found that to be true? Link to a few court cases where "no carry" businesses were found liable? They should be out there if this "increased liability" argument is true... |
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The sad part is everyone seems to forget they have liability protections in the law by NOT posting. Completely ignored by the drive-by media of course. (c) An employer that does not prohibit one or more employees from carrying a concealed weapon under sub. (15m) is immune from any liability arising from its decision. Interesting law firm analysis of the subject: http://godfreykahnlawblogs.com/2011/07/08/update-employers-and-wisconsins-new-concealed-carry-law/ |
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And if something happens and you get hurt/killed without being able to defend yourself its on their shoulders now. There is a lot of responsibility resting on these places that are posting "no ccw" signs, its now their job to maintain your safety since you are defenseless. This is an interesting theory. I'm not a liability lawyer, but I've spoken to some knowledgeable lawyers who don't believe companies have any increased liability for posting "no weapons" signs. The business didn't cause you to be attacked, and they tried to prevent the attacker from having a weapon by posting a sign. Could even argue you voluntarily entered the premises knowing you couldn't carry. Shrug. Not saying it's right, but I think it's wishful thinking to believe that posting a "no weapons" sign makes the business any more responsible. Has any other state found that to be true? Link to a few court cases where "no carry" businesses were found liable? They should be out there if this "increased liability" argument is true... The way I see it is its now a persons right and responsibility to be able to defend themselves. The police are not there for crime prevention, they are they to take care of things after a crime happens. If I get robbed, stabbed, shot, killed at work and I could have defended myself against the aggressor, I believe the business is 100% liable for me getting hurt. By posting sings preventing CCW they are opening the door to criminals to go there and commit crimes knowing that the place is safe for them. Kind of like the "Gun Free Household" sign, that's an invitation for a free home invasion. ETA- I have not seen anything documenting lawsuits that were the result of preventing CCW, nor am I good at searching case law. But if gun companies can be sued because their product worked as designed in the hands of a mad man then I think businesses that don't allow me to defend myself should be held accountable too if something happens. Maybe I'm way, way out in right field, just a theory...
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The sad part is everyone seems to forget they have liability protections in the law by NOT posting.
Completely ignored by the drive-by media of course. (c) An employer that does not prohibit one or more
employees from carrying a concealed weapon under sub.
(15m) is immune from any liability arising from its decision.
Interesting law firm analysis of the subject: http://godfreykahnlawblogs.com/2011/07/08/update-employers-and-wisconsins-new-concealed-carry-law/ What liability is there by not posting and allowing CCW? The responsibility is on the licensed carriers to act in a professional manner and not be stupid. Guns are not the problem here, its the unlicensed/uneducated people behind them that use them for illegal activities. |