Posted: 4/22/2009 6:08:54 AM EDT
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[Edited 4/23]
To celebrate the AG's recent opinion, and to honor those who fought and died to preserve the rights that we should have no fear exercising, I'm organizing an Open Carry picnic on Memorial day. After thinking about the event further, I'd like to keep all of the organizing in the thread over at Open Carry.org, here. If you intend to attend, please RSVP in that thread. |
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I can't speak for MrGreg, having just joined OpenCarry.org myself today...
But the Park has good access, plenty of parking, and it's somewhat ironic/convenient that it's in West Allis, where one of the high profile OC incidents that made the news here in WI took place. Uh oh... Cool Waters the County water park is right by that picnic area, and has it's opening weekend right then. If the weather's warm, and obviously in WI it's often crisp that weekend, that could be problematic, if only for the crowding. |
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I can't speak for MrGreg, having just joined OpenCarry.org myself today... But the Park has good access, plenty of parking, and it's somewhat ironic/convenient that it's in West Allis, where one of the high profile OC incidents that made the news here in WI took place. Ok, I assumed the irony part (love it) but wasn't sure if there was anything beyond that (not familiar with the park). |
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I can't speak for MrGreg, having just joined OpenCarry.org myself today... But the Park has good access, plenty of parking, and it's somewhat ironic/convenient that it's in West Allis, where one of the high profile OC incidents that made the news here in WI took place. Ok, I assumed the irony part (love it) but wasn't sure if there was anything beyond that (not familiar with the park). I wanted to get a place in Milwaukee County, as there's no reason why urban people like me should have to flee to the suburbs to exercise our rights. A great part about Greenfield Park is that the majority of it is free from the 1000 foot school zone rule. Lots of Milwaukee County parks are unfortunately within 1000 feet of a school, making carry illegal there. I really wanted to do it in South Shore Park, just a hop, skip, and jump away from Downtown (And in the City of Milwaukee, challenging Ed Flynn to put his "troops" where his mouth is), but unfortunately, there's an elementary school which is less than 1000 feet from the park in certain areas of the park. While one of the South Shore rentable picnic areas was just over 1000 feet, I didn't want to take any risks. Felonies are nothing to joke around with. |
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I don't understand how the 1000 foot rule should apply beyond school property. Seems pretty stupid since in many places it is hard/impossible to be 1,000 feet from a school. 1000ft was deliberately chosen to make it hard to carry anywhere within an urban area. This law was not dreamed up by those who truly care about kids, but as another infringement on gun rights. The gun free school zone fiasco began back in 1990. It was originally deemed unconstitutional and then reborn with nearly the exact same verbage with just a few things added so that it would squeek by. |
| You guy may want to check Milwaukee County law. I know in Jefferson it is Illegal to possess a gun in a county park, I found this out Duck hunting last year. I had to have the Jefferson County Sheriff talk with the DNR and I had to keep my shot gun cased until I was 50' from shore on the county park side. |
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You guy may want to check Milwaukee County law. I know in Jefferson it is Illegal to possess a gun in a county park, I found this out Duck hunting last year. I had to have the Jefferson County Sheriff talk with the DNR and I had to keep my shot gun cased until I was 50' from shore on the county park side. +1 |
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You guy may want to check Milwaukee County law. I know in Jefferson it is Illegal to possess a gun in a county park, I found this out Duck hunting last year. I had to have the Jefferson County Sheriff talk with the DNR and I had to keep my shot gun cased until I was 50' from shore on the county park side. Did that conversation occur before or after November 18, 1995? If after, both the Sheriff and the DNR gave you a run for your rights. The Preemption law that took effect on that date is what makes Open Carry legal in WI, because it makes laws from cities, towns, counties, etc., unenforcible if they're more stringent than state laws. Milwaukee, Greenfield...hell, every major city has laws on the books against the possession of firearms, concealed or not. Those laws are unenforceable, however, because of the Preemption law. http://www.legis.state.wi.us/statutes/Stat0066.pdf 66.0409. Local regulation of firearms.
(1) In this section: (a) "Firearm" has the meaning given in s. 167.31 (1) (c). (b) "Political subdivision" means a city, village, town or county. (c) "Sport shooting range" means an area designed and operated for the practice of weapons used in hunting, skeet shooting and similar sport shooting. (2) Except as provided in subs. (3) and (4), no political subdivision may enact an ordinance or adopt a resolution that regulates the sale, purchase, purchase delay, transfer, ownership, use, keeping, possession, bearing, transportation, licensing, permitting, registration or taxation of any firearm or part of a firearm, including ammunition and reloader components, unless the ordinance or resolution is the same as or similar to, and no more stringent than, a state statute. (3)(a) Nothing in this section prohibits a county from imposing a sales tax or use tax under subchapter V of chapter 77 on any firearm or part of a firearm, including ammunition and reloader components, sold in the county. (b) Nothing in this section prohibits a city, village or town that is authorized to exercise village powers under s. 60.22 (3) from enacting an ordinance or adopting a resolution that restricts the discharge of a firearm. (4)(a) Nothing in this section prohibits a political subdivision from continuing to enforce an ordinance or resolution that is in effect on November 18, 1995, and that regulates the sale, purchase, transfer, ownership, use, keeping, possession, bearing, transportation, licensing, permitting, registration or taxation of any firearm or part of a firearm, including ammunition and reloader components, if the ordinance or resolution is the same as or similar to, and no more stringent than, a state statute. (am) Nothing in this section prohibits a political subdivision from continuing to enforce until November 30, 1998, an ordinance or resolution that is in effect on November 18, 1995, and that requires a waiting period of not more than 7 days for the purchase of a handgun. (b) If a political subdivision has in effect on November 17, 1995, an ordinance or resolution that regulates the sale, purchase, transfer, ownership, use, keeping, possession, bearing, transportation, licensing, permitting, registration or taxation of any firearm or part of a firearm, including ammunition and reloader components, and the ordinance or resolution is not the same as or similar to a state statute, the ordinance or resolution shall have no legal effect and the political subdivision may not enforce the ordinance or resolution on or after November 18, 1995. (c) Nothing in this section prohibits a political subdivision from enacting and enforcing a zoning ordinance that regulates the new construction of a sport shooting range or when the expansion of an existing sport shooting range would impact public health and safety. (5) A county ordinance that is enacted or a county resolution that is adopted by a county under sub. (2) or a county ordinance or resolution that remains in effect under sub. (4) (a) or (am) applies only in those towns in the county that have not enacted an ordinance or adopted a resolution under sub. (2) or that continue to enforce an ordinance or resolution under sub. (4) (a) or (am), except that this subsection does not apply to a sales or use tax that is imposed under subchapter V of chapter 77. Hell, even Doyle knows this. His main reaction to JB Van Hollen's opinion was based off of this fact: http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepolitics/43347632.html Reacting Tuesday to questions about Van Hollen's memorandum, Doyle said local communities should be able to adopt their own ordinances relating to guns. He said he objected to a 1995 law that barred municipalities from enacting gun regulations that are more stringent than state regulations and wiped out about 35 local gun-control ordinances.
WI State Law has no restrictions in it regarding possessing firearms in a County Park, only State Parks. The laws about County Parks are in County Laws, which, as they're more stringent than state laws, are unenforcible. |
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Open Carry Picnic Media Coverage!!!
http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepolitics/43347632.html A group of Wisconsin gun advocates is planning a picnic in July with food, soft drinks and handguns
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