Posted: 1/16/2009 10:28:15 AM EDT
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From Karl Van Roy, (R) WI Assembly
Change in Leadership & Political Balance For the first time since 1994, Republicans will not be the majority party in the State Assembly. As a result of the November elections, Democrats took control of the Assembly with 52 Democrats, 46 Republicans, and 1 Independent. Democrats will remain as the majority party in the State Senate holding on to their 18-15 lead. Governor Doyle, also a Democrat, has two years remaining in his four year term. Caucus elections for party leaders were held in November and are shown below in two tables. The Governor and members of the legislature are facing great challenges this session: a bulging state budget deficit, declining state revenues from lagging sales and income tax collections, rising unemployment, a declining housing market, a credit crunch, and worsening economic news daily. In my six years in office, I have always avoided political partisanship, and instead I've worked cooperatively with members of both political parties to make good things happen for the people of Wisconsin. I've supported bills authored by both democrats and republicans, and I've opposed bills authored by both democrats and republicans. My decisions have always come down to doing what's best for you, the voters back home in Green Bay. I will continue with that philosophy as we seek to resolve these pressing issues facing our state. But to be frank, with the political power exclusively in the hands of one political party both at the state level in Wisconsin and at the federal level in Washington D.C., we no longer have checks and balances on the system. When someone holds all the cards, there is no incentive to listen to opposing viewpoints. When political power is split, people are forced to listen to each other, work together, negotiate and find compromise for the good of its citizens. Rest assured, I will continue fighting for Green Bay values. So far, the new majority leaders are saying they want to work with the minority, but time will tell if that is the case when session gets into full swing. The decisions about which bills will come forward for a vote and which ones will die rest exclusively in their hands. If it turns out that majority leaders choose not to work with minority members then, now more than ever, you the voters must let majority leaders know your thoughts on the issues and hold them accountable. ASSEMBLY LEADERSHIP: DEMOCRATS REPUBLICANS Speaker - Rep. Mike Sheridan Minority Leader - Rep. Jeff Fitzgerald Speaker Pro Tempore - Rep. Tony Staskunas Assistant Minority Leader - Rep. Mark Gottlieb Majority Leader - Rep. Tom Nelson Caucus Chair - Rep. Scott Suder Assistant Majority Leader - Rep. Donna Seidel Caucus Vice Chair - Rep. Joel Kleefisch Caucus Chair - Rep. Peter Barca Caucus Vice Chair - Rep. Barbara Toles SENATE LEADERSHIP: DEMOCRATS REPUBLICANS Majority Leader - Sen. Russ Decker Minority Leader - Sen. Scott Fitzgerald Assistant Majority Leader - Sen. Dave Hansen Assistant Minority Leader - Sen. Glenn Grothman President - Sen. Fred Risser Caucus Chair - Sen. Joe Leibham President Pro Tempore- Sen. Pat Kreitlow Caucus Vice Chair - Sen. Sheila Harsdorf Caucus Chair - Sen. John Lehman Caucus Vice Chair - Sen. Kathleen Vinehout These are the names to contact when the new concealed carry bill gets introduced . |
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No fucking way will it even get out of committee this year without HUGE pressure cause by mass open carry..... Unforthunatly ( or fortunatly) , I don't really see that happening either..... Second... Do we REALLY want a CCW bill approved by the Dems? I see , $300 a year , a 40 hour training class every year , a psychological evaluation, no misdomeanors ever ... and whatever else they care to throw in their ... Think New York City Concealed carry.... Oh yeah , In Hamden , WiSC said because CCW was no good Open carry was legal.... Well now CCW is legal ( but completelty unattainable) so we will outlaw open carry..... Honestly, for the first time since moving here, I am not sure now IS the time to push CCW.... We have NO legislative entity that will have the resolve to kill poison pills.... VERY poison pills.... Doyle needs to go..... |
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First.... No fucking way will it even get out of committee this year without HUGE pressure cause by mass open carry..... Unforthunatly ( or fortunatly) , I don't really see that happening either..... Second... Do we REALLY want a CCW bill approved by the Dems? I see , $300 a year , a 40 hour training class every year , a psychological evaluation, no misdomeanors ever ... and whatever else they care to throw in their ... Think New York City Concealed carry.... Oh yeah , In Hamden , WiSC said because CCW was no good Open carry was legal.... Well now CCW is legal ( but completelty unattainable) so we will outlaw open carry..... Honestly, for the first time since moving here, I am not sure now IS the time to push CCW.... We have NO legislative entity that will have the resolve to kill poison pills.... VERY poison pills.... Doyle needs to go..... Agreed & very well stated. |
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It's pointless to waste resources on getting CCW with a Democratic majority. We should take this time to re-gather and save up more money and strategize for the next time we have a Republican majority.
ETA- Open carry marches will get us nowhere except bad publicity and reinforce the oppositions views of us. We should focus on getting this done through our representatives, educating people, and putting pressure on the people in the office. Marching down streets like a bunch of lunatics with guns on your hips is a sure way to get some bad light shed on the cause. |
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It's pointless to waste resources on getting CCW with a Democratic majority. We should take this time to re-gather and save up more money and strategize for the next time we have a Republican majority. ETA- Open carry marches will get us nowhere except bad publicity and reinforce the oppositions views of us. We should focus on getting this done through our representatives, educating people, and putting pressure on the people in the office. Marching down streets like a bunch of lunatics with guns on your hips is a sure way to get some bad light shed on the cause. Who fucking cares about bad publicity... it is better then no publicity at all....We wasted 3 fucking good years because " It was not the right time" We done FUCKED UP BAD!!! Had we 3 years ago pushed HARD ont eh OC thing I truly believe we would have CCW here now.... Unfortunatly we were faced with the same problem then as now, Noone willing to risk anything, or the people that are willing to risk anything don't have the money to pay for a fucking lawyer to make the risk have a chance of panning out. Now it probably is not the right time.... But honestly i am almost to the who fucking cares if it is the right time.... Sitting around finger fucking ourselves saying we should do what we have been doing for 3 fucking years is stupid... Insanity is putting the same numbers in the same equation and expecting a different result. Congradulations Dave , You are insane What we need is an airtight WISC ruling on open carry.... hopefully the Waukesha thing will get us that.... I need a fucking drink.. |
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It's pointless to waste resources on getting CCW with a Democratic majority. We should take this time to re-gather and save up more money and strategize for the next time we have a Republican majority. ETA- Open carry marches will get us nowhere except bad publicity and reinforce the oppositions views of us. We should focus on getting this done through our representatives, educating people, and putting pressure on the people in the office. Marching down streets like a bunch of lunatics with guns on your hips is a sure way to get some bad light shed on the cause. Who fucking cares about bad publicity... it is better then no publicity at all....We wasted 3 fucking good years because " It was not the right time" We done FUCKED UP BAD!!! Had we 3 years ago pushed HARD ont eh OC thing I truly believe we would have CCW here now.... Unfortunatly we were faced with the same problem then as now, Noone willing to risk anything, or the people that are willing to risk anything don't have the money to pay for a fucking lawyer to make the risk have a chance of panning out. Now it probably is not the right time.... But honestly i am almost to the who fucking cares if it is the right time.... Sitting around finger fucking ourselves saying we should do what we have been doing for 3 fucking years is stupid... Insanity is putting the same numbers in the same equation and expecting a different result. Congradulations Dave , You are insane What we need is an airtight WISC ruling on open carry.... hopefully the Waukesha thing will get us that.... I need a fucking drink.. do you have details on this Waukesha thing? |
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It's pointless to waste resources on getting CCW with a Democratic majority. We should take this time to re-gather and save up more money and strategize for the next time we have a Republican majority. ETA- Open carry marches will get us nowhere except bad publicity and reinforce the oppositions views of us. We should focus on getting this done through our representatives, educating people, and putting pressure on the people in the office. Marching down streets like a bunch of lunatics with guns on your hips is a sure way to get some bad light shed on the cause. Who fucking cares about bad publicity... it is better then no publicity at all....We wasted 3 fucking good years because " It was not the right time" We done FUCKED UP BAD!!! Had we 3 years ago pushed HARD ont eh OC thing I truly believe we would have CCW here now.... Unfortunatly we were faced with the same problem then as now, Noone willing to risk anything, or the people that are willing to risk anything don't have the money to pay for a fucking lawyer to make the risk have a chance of panning out. Now it probably is not the right time.... But honestly i am almost to the who fucking cares if it is the right time.... Sitting around finger fucking ourselves saying we should do what we have been doing for 3 fucking years is stupid... Insanity is putting the same numbers in the same equation and expecting a different result. Congradulations Dave , You are insane What we need is an airtight WISC ruling on open carry.... hopefully the Waukesha thing will get us that.... I need a fucking drink.. Bad publicity could be the very thing that makes us wait 10 more years, instead of waiting 2-3 until we take the majority again. If we took time and organized collectively as a group and starting putting pressure on our representatives, we could have CCW. That would take alot of organization, teamwork, and resources/time. A good court ruling could very well give us legal open carry, however, that doesn't solve CCW. |
| the old fasion way is the only way....financially support pro gun candidates during elections , then write your senators & representatives...constanly....bug them...it's the only way.. Money greases the gears of democracy...and letters spell out the wants of the people. |
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the old fasion way is the only way....financially support pro gun candidates during elections , then write your senators & representatives...constanly....bug them...it's the only way.. Money greases the gears of democracy...and letters spell out the wants of the people. You're exactly right. Organizing and lobbying is how we'll get CCW. |
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do you have details on this Waukesha thing? http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum57/19480.html |
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Marching down streets like a bunch of lunatics with guns on your hips is a sure way to get some bad light shed on the cause. Now anyone walking down the street with a gun is a lunatic????  THAT is the perception of the libtards, not reasonable rationable people. Hiding in the dark and wishing upon a shooting star with pixie dust will get us nowhere. Getting our faces in the media while articulating our position for the sheep to hear is a way to wake up the sleeping masses. Allowing this matter to fall out of the memories of the average deer and duck hunters who could give a shit less about EBRs and CCW will just increase their lethargy. We need to get them on board....
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Who fucking cares about bad publicity... it is better then no publicity at all....We wasted 3 fucking good years because " It was not the right time" We done FUCKED UP BAD!!! Had we 3 years ago pushed HARD ont eh OC thing I truly believe we would have CCW here now.... Unfortunatly we were faced with the same problem then as now, Noone willing to risk anything, or the people that are willing to risk anything don't have the money to pay for a fucking lawyer to make the risk have a chance of panning out. Now it probably is not the right time.... But honestly i am almost to the who fucking cares if it is the right time.... Sitting around finger fucking ourselves saying we should do what we have been doing for 3 fucking years is stupid... Insanity is putting the same numbers in the same equation and expecting a different result. I believe that it would NOT be bad publicity. Publicity which puts our cause in the front of the minds of the masses is good publicity!!! 
Unless enough people care about it, we will never win..... 
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the old fasion way is the only way....financially support pro gun candidates during elections , then write your senators & representatives...constanly....bug them...it's the only way.. Money greases the gears of democracy...and letters spell out the wants of the people. You're exactly right. Organizing and lobbying is how we'll get CCW. Funny, Ohio when faced with EXACTLY the same situation we have went a completely different route. You should let them know thaey don't ACTUALLY have CW cause they went about getting it the wrong way.... 
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the old fasion way is the only way....financially support pro gun candidates during elections , then write your senators & representatives...constanly....bug them...it's the only way.. Money greases the gears of democracy...and letters spell out the wants of the people. You're exactly right. Organizing and lobbying is how we'll get CCW. Funny, Ohio when faced with EXACTLY the same situation we have went a completely different route. You should let them know thaey don't ACTUALLY have CW cause they went about getting it the wrong way.... Please show me the proof that open-carry marches got them CCW. Please show me that. I have the top organizers names in my contact list that ACTUALLY got CCW in Ohio. I've already emailed and discussed this issue with Ohio representatives, and a few other states on how they got CCW. The answer was the same: lobbying. |
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the old fasion way is the only way....financially support pro gun candidates during elections , then write your senators & representatives...constanly....bug them...it's the only way.. Money greases the gears of democracy...and letters spell out the wants of the people. You're exactly right. Organizing and lobbying is how we'll get CCW. So tell me ... why after 5 years of trying, and a governor that vetoed every time did they finally pass it? What changed? Same numbers..... The Equation changed.... They had open carry and USED IT to bring the issue to the front of everyones mind..... Funny, Ohio when faced with EXACTLY the same situation we have went a completely different route. You should let them know thaey don't ACTUALLY have CW cause they went about getting it the wrong way.... Please show me the proof that open-carry marches got them CCW. Please show me that. I have the top organizers names in my contact list that ACTUALLY got CCW in Ohio. I've already emailed and discussed this issue with Ohio representatives, and a few other states on how they got CCW. The answer was the same: lobbying. Thats fucking STRANGE!!!!! I typed a bunch of stuff last night .. |
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the old fasion way is the only way....financially support pro gun candidates during elections , then write your senators & representatives...constanly....bug them...it's the only way.. Money greases the gears of democracy...and letters spell out the wants of the people. You're exactly right. Organizing and lobbying is how we'll get CCW. So tell me ... why after 5 years of trying, and a governor that vetoed every time did they finally pass it? What changed? Same numbers..... The Equation changed.... They had open carry and USED IT to bring the issue to the front of everyones mind..... Funny, Ohio when faced with EXACTLY the same situation we have went a completely different route. You should let them know thaey don't ACTUALLY have CW cause they went about getting it the wrong way.... Please show me the proof that open-carry marches got them CCW. Please show me that. I have the top organizers names in my contact list that ACTUALLY got CCW in Ohio. I've already emailed and discussed this issue with Ohio representatives, and a few other states on how they got CCW. The answer was the same: lobbying. Is there something here I am suppose to see? |
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the old fasion way is the only way....financially support pro gun candidates during elections , then write your senators & representatives...constanly....bug them...it's the only way.. Money greases the gears of democracy...and letters spell out the wants of the people. You're exactly right. Organizing and lobbying is how we'll get CCW. So tell me ... why after 5 years of trying, and a governor that vetoed every time did they finally pass it? What changed? Same numbers..... The Equation changed.... They had open carry and USED IT to bring the issue to the front of everyones mind..... Funny, Ohio when faced with EXACTLY the same situation we have went a completely different route. You should let them know thaey don't ACTUALLY have CW cause they went about getting it the wrong way.... Please show me the proof that open-carry marches got them CCW. Please show me that. I have the top organizers names in my contact list that ACTUALLY got CCW in Ohio. I've already emailed and discussed this issue with Ohio representatives, and a few other states on how they got CCW. The answer was the same: lobbying. Is there something here I am suppose to see? Se my edit.... I will retype it later after coffee......... |