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2/15/2007 11:28:33 AM EDT
It looks like the background check fee for handgun purchases is going up almost 300% from $8 to $30 in the governor's new budget:

Budget Fee (Tax) Increases
2/15/2007 12:18:01 PM EDT
[#1]
Interesting, I didn't think we had elk to hunt here yet in WI...

Thanks for the $30 comrade Doyle.

2/15/2007 12:32:00 PM EDT
[#2]
What a twat...
2/15/2007 1:36:10 PM EDT
[#3]
It is OK, it is only for the evil handgun purchasers.  Only "sportsmen" count in Wisconsin like the  trap shooters and deer hunters...
2/15/2007 2:33:25 PM EDT
[#4]

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Interesting, I didn't think we had elk to hunt here yet in WI...

Thanks for the $30 comrade Doyle.



We don't yet not for at least another 10 years or so. I can't believe that they actually put that in there. What a fucktard he is.
2/15/2007 3:13:45 PM EDT
[#5]
Doyle said this is not a tax increase on the middle class.  It's only a tax increase for people who drive cars, own homes, hunt, buy guns, smoke, go to the hospital, get married, have babies, use the internet, go to college, and pay child support.

Yup, none of those apply to middle class folks.

2/15/2007 3:33:46 PM EDT
[#6]

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...... What a fucktard he is.



You're giving him WAY too much credit..
2/15/2007 3:38:17 PM EDT
[#7]

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Doyle said this is not a tax increase on the middle class.  


Maybe now the short sighted cretins and others who are profoundly retarded who voted for him will get a clue...
2/15/2007 5:03:28 PM EDT
[#8]

Quoted:

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Doyle said this is not a tax increase on the middle class.  


Maybe now the short sighted cretins and others who are profoundly retarded who voted for him will get a clue...


No they won't.  If they had, he wouldn't have gotten reelected.  He told us in the campaign that he would lower taxes for the middle class, now all he has to do when he raises taxes is say that it won't affect the middle class and everyone will believe him.  You know the saying... "A lie told loud enough and often enough will eventually be known as the truth."  He says it and the media runs with it.  Same thing with 'no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq'.
2/15/2007 5:37:54 PM EDT
[#9]
i was under the impression that the NICS(spelling?) check was free and was a 800 number.
does this mean FFL transfer fees will triple
makes face to face sales sound even sweeter now, the FFL and shipping usually kill deals online, this will certainly screw up those margins
fuck you very much governor doyle.


all this within the beginning of his second term... you have got to be freakin kidding me!
i can hardly wait to see what he has in store for tomorrow!
2/15/2007 5:44:50 PM EDT
[#10]
I'm all for user fees....except NICS.  I guess that makes me a hypocrite.  Well, I'll support it if I can be shown it actually costs $30 to run NICS.  
2/15/2007 6:43:18 PM EDT
[#11]
If I recall correctly, for rifle/shotgun purchases the dealer call the feds. For handgun purchases, the dealer calls the WI DOJ, who charges the dealer the background check fee. The law really ought to be changed to get rid of the language requiring the 48 hour wait on handguns which also specifies the state background check.
2/15/2007 6:46:54 PM EDT
[#12]
The cost for a background check at the state level was $8. The dealers usually tacked on maybe $7 for their time.

Now it looks like a state background check will be somewhere around $37 to $40.

I've gone through much of Doyle's budget proposals, and there isn't a person in the state who won't be hit with higher taxes...er, fees.

A tax on hospitals?

Doyle lied like I've never seen a politician lie during his campaign. But don't look for the Journal/Sentinel to call him on his lies. After all, he's their Boy.

So, who didn't get hit with his tax increases? Easy answer: the indian casinos and other special interest groups that gave him millions for his campaign.

Smoking bans? They won't apply to indian casinos.

Gas tax increases? The road builders live for them.

Teachers? He lifted the cap on teachers' salaries.

Every damned special interest group that funnelled legal as well as illegal money to Doyle's campaign has been rewarded.

I would love to say what I'd like to do to Doyle, but it would get me arrested.
2/15/2007 7:30:55 PM EDT
[#13]
The argument should be that there is no need for the State to run a check when nics would run it for free.  State could still mandate 48hr waiting period utilizing the regular Nics program.
2/15/2007 7:39:31 PM EDT
[#14]

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The argument should be that there is no need for the State to run a check when nics would run it for free.  State could still mandate 48hr waiting period utilizing the regular Nics program.


The state will never give up this "rice bowl".  The whole point is that it is free money for the state.  They can't be incurring costs justifying the fees...
2/16/2007 7:14:11 AM EDT
[#15]

Quoted:

Quoted:
The argument should be that there is no need for the State to run a check when nics would run it for free.  State could still mandate 48hr waiting period utilizing the regular Nics program.


The state will never give up this "rice bowl".  The whole point is that it is free money for the state.  They can't be incurring costs justifying the fees...


The state averages about 100 or so BG checks per day and they employ at least 7 people directly related to checks.  Not to mention office fees, forms, paperwork, heat ,insurance and all the usual govt perks.  If the dissolved the department it ease the burden on tax payer since the fee does not cover the expense of running the department.
2/16/2007 7:52:16 AM EDT
[#16]
So they can't run a 7 person office on $22,400+ per month in revenue?  

They want to increase revenues to near or over $100,000 per month?

What do they pay the employees.....  $50/hr?



This isn't a stand alone business.  This department does not needs its own HR support.  Where is the overhead?

What is missing from this picture?



2/16/2007 2:22:58 PM EDT
[#17]
Nothing is missing from this picture. The office will still be staffed, but the additional monies will go to pay the current budget and the budget deficit. You know, that budget deficit that Doyle claimed Mark Green was lying about during the campaign.

I'm still depressed about last year's elections. If it weren't for the nationwide backlash against Republicans, Doyle probably would have lost. We'd now be applying for our carry permits, necessary tax increases would be applied across the board, and Madison wouldn't smell as bad.

I just hope that US Attorney Biskupic is still conducting his secret grand jury investigations. I'd love to hear Jim Doyle be addressed as "defendant."
2/16/2007 2:29:26 PM EDT
[#18]
I wonder if Scott Walker could of defeated doylepuss?
2/16/2007 6:44:23 PM EDT
[#19]
GlockFace, there's really two wings to the Republican party: the old line, country club Republicans who are concerned primarily about economic issues; and the social conservatives who are concerned about things like abortion and guns.

Mark Green's support came from the old line crowd. But those are the people who have the money, and will pay $1000 a plate for a fund-raising banquet.

Scott Walker had and still has the support of the social conservatives. But those people (meaning us) don't have the money to pony up.

That's why the Republican party asked Walker to politely withdraw from the race. He could never have risen the money that Green did.

Walker, though, had a lot more going for him: he was better known statewide than Green; he'd been in the state legislature for years; he could have drawn more votes from Milwaukee County; he's an excellent campaigner; and he was just right for the fight.

In the end, though, I think Walker would have lost as well. Doyle didn't win because he's popular. He won because the majority of the American people don't like the war in Iraq, and that sentiment trickled down to the governors race.

And, of course, Doyle won because he outspent Green by $3.8 million, a nearly 25% money advantage. Studies have shown that, 95% of the time, the candidate with the most money wins.

Remember that the next time you get an email from the WCCM asking for contributions to help candidates.
2/17/2007 6:20:20 AM EDT
[#20]

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So they can't run a 7 person office on $22,400+ per month in revenue?  

They want to increase revenues to near or over $100,000 per month?

What do they pay the employees.....  $50/hr?



This isn't a stand alone business.  This department does not needs its own HR support.  Where is the overhead?

What is missing from this picture?
There are 7 people I know of.  I am sure there are more and they do handle other things other than just background checks.  It is not just base salary but unemployment, SS, worksmans comp and all the other things accociated with business.   You know me so you know I am not defending DOJ especially when NICS is available at no charge like most states.  There is no need for a Wisconsin Handgun Background Check.   I would be interested to see who created the program and their justification.


2/17/2007 9:02:59 AM EDT
[#21]
Looks like I'll be doing all future purchases FTF.  Good job, idiot.  
2/20/2007 4:25:01 PM EDT
[#22]
Hey Guys! Remember to not only discuss it online, but don't forget to include our political officials in our thoughts. Lay the emails on thick to thier office!
2/20/2007 4:59:26 PM EDT
[#23]
Fuck I am pissed.

$30 is outragous