[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Ammo Capacity For Deer Hunting. (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 10/14/2006 5:17:07 PM EDT
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Does anybody know if there is a limit on the number of rounds that can be in a weapon, during the gun deer season? I have checked the regs that I got with my license, and there is no mention of it. However, on the cover of the reg booklet it says that it is not a complete set of laws. The reason I ask is, I am going to use my 6.8 SPC AR15 this year, and all I have are 25 rd. mags for it. Thanks. |
Hell I got strange looks from people when I had 10 rd mags in my AR out deer hunting.  Couldnt imagine the looks with a 100 or 200rd drum on it.Honestly I'm surprised after shootings up north happened that there wasnt a rule added. |
The no machinegun thing has no actual state law to back it. If you notice the regs say no short barreled rifles or shotguns either, however if you are legaly in possession of them you can legaly hunt with them. I never asked the DNR for clarification on the MG thing, however I have on SBR/SBS and was told it was legal by the DNR. There is absolutly nothing in wisconsin law that spesificly says one can not hunt with a legaly possessed machinegun(that I have seen). I'm not advocating doing it, just pointing out that it's not actually illegal. And as far as I know the encased and unloaded thing is actual law. And you can hunt near a road, you have to be at least 50feet from the centerline of the road, thats actually not that far. |
We must hunt near the same area. I don't hunt as close as 10 miles....but still too close. Any way take the AR with the high cap mag out, it is alot o fun to hunt with the weapon you have spent a lot of time and $$$ on . I use a HK 91 and my Dad uses a DSA FAL. In the past we have used ARs and Steyr AUGs |
Edit: Chapter 167 is the same chapter that prohibits manufacture of cigars below ground level, and regulates corn husking machines manufactured before 1909. Where can I find someone to bust for  
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Says right in the DNR deer hunting regs. No full automatic weapons. Rifles MUST have a min 16" barrel and shotguns min 18". At least for deer that makes MG's, SBR's and SBS illegtal for deer. |
It is in the small game and Bear hunting regs as well. NO SBR or Fully Automatic firearms for hunting. There is no mention of supressors anywhere. |
You are correct in saying that's what the DNR pamphlet says. However, the DNR pamphlet is only a simplified, convenient summary of laws. What the DNR summary is saying is that SBR and SBS are illegal to own. And, because they're illegal, you can't hunt with them. This is true, unless a person goes through the BATFE process that allows people to own these. (Try explaining that process in a 16-page pamphlet that summarizes every gun & hunting regulation applicable in the state!) Please see the legal FAQ at the top of the forum for an in-depth discussion of this under "class 3 weapons" halfway down the page. In short, hunting with an SBR and suppressor is legal. Don't believe me? I'll bet a dollar you can't find a law or administrative rule that prohibits hunting with an SBR or suppressor. (Hint: there isn't one.) Photoman has a letter from the DNR confirming this (hey, Photoman, can you post that letter here?). Ain't interpreting Wisconsin law fun? 
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Flashlight hunting(shining) laws vaery based on the animal. All unprotected species can be shot using a flashlight at point of kill. Though the DNR don't like it durring deer season. Glenn here ya go. It's the reply from Thomas Van Haren of the WDNR
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So you can hunt any unprotected species with a flashlight at point of kill? Even deer? |
No actual letter, it was all done via email. Regarding Suppressors-
Regarding Short barreled rifles and shotguns, here are both parts of the email.
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If I understand the spirit in which this was meant, I couldn't agree more. I understand this to mean, "If you need to spray 1,000 rounds into the brush pile to get your deer, because you are incapable of firing one aimed accurate shot, I'd rather you not hunt." Hard to argue with that. 
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I completely agree if that is how it was intended to come across... |
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Interesting thread.. Just my $.02, and this is not bashing LEO at all, but I can see where you could get into a lot of Hassle from local LEO/Warden types who probably don't run into guys using Suppressors and SBR's during the Hunting season. And seeing how CLEAR the law's and regs are, I don't know how any LEO'/Wardens in the field would be able to know alot of that. I'm mean these guys are mostly used to dealing with Fudds and there lever action rifles.s and the normal goofy shit like loaded,uncased firearms, shooting road signs, shooting from roads/Cars,etc.. Many years back I hunted a season or two with a L1A1 and one of my AR's. Each time I loaded a 20 rd Mag with only 5 rds as I just thought it would not get me hassled if I were to tangle with a warden. Plus My thought was and still is, if you need more then 5 rds to shoot and kill a deer, the thought process of a humane and clean 1 shot kill is probably not in your thought process. Pretty much why my Deer hunting days are way behind me.. poor gun handling, and to many Hunters with to few skills and to many violations of the 4th Firearm safety rule.... |
I agree. I live in Moutain... for those of you that dont know where its at, its about 75 miles NORTH of Appleton. 65 miles NORTH of green bay. The areas around here are saturated with hunters from down south. Here is a major problem I always see... we are a little dink town with 400 people, we have 6 bars and a gas station. One of the bars has nude dancers on opening weekend. They usually run thru about 200-300 hunters a night, that means 2-300 hunters in our woods that are more than likely drunk or have alcohol in their system. Just scares me. That's why I wont hunt here. |
I understand your point and I'm certainly not saying it's even a good idea. SBR deer rifles aren't exactly the equivalent of a nice .30-06. I'm just laying out the legalities. BTW, I've worked with our local game warden a bit. He's a nice guy and pretty knowledgeable. When I told him I was getting a .22LR SBR upper for my AR-15 SBR lower, and putting a suppressor on it for squirrel hunting, he just rolled his eyes a tiny bit. And then asked me to bring it by so he could shoot it
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GlennR
I'm with ya on it totally..  I guess as I get Older, the urge to avoid unnecessary grief in order to stick out a bit for me is just not worth it based on WI's Deer/Gun Traditions and how the "Fudds" need to roll there eyes.I used a 20"A2 one year and every guy in the woods (including my own Party) just could not resist making some "Rambo" comment or the ever popular "is that a Machine gun?" To me it's like Open carry law states. Sure it may be legal and well within your rights, but doing it brings unwanted attention and causes more problems then what it solves. But I support anyones right to do what ever makes them happy 
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Sometimes that's about the only reason I use an AR or AK to hunt  It's also like having Moses with you when you walk down a trail, the Fudd's veer off out of your way with a weird look on their faces.
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I know where Boulder Lake is... my old boss lives on the lake (hes a dink) - the bar that had the strippers... was it the Green Lake Tap? |
MrPX
After what Happened last year.. having my AR looks pretty good... With all 28 rds.. From DavidK
I believe it was. Pretty nasty strippers to.. Echo Valley, Boulder lake, Buzzes bear trail Inn, Pickled Turkey gizzards and Pickled Eggs... ahh the memories. You may not even have been Born... this was 1986 timeframe...
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I was born in 1987, but, I know what you're talking about. The Green lake tape sells pickled eggs and turkey gizzards... they have strippers every year for the past 25 or so I think... My former boss lives in Echo Valley... lol - small world I guess. You're talking about Echo Valley off of CTY T I am pretty sure :) You ever come up anymore? |
or the idiots who empty the mags of thier semi-autos, bolt guns, pump shotty, lever gun or what everthe hell else they are hunting with because they do't know how to hit what they are aiming at. I have more control with a full auto them most of the fuds that hunt around me have with thier deer gun. And just because it's an FA gun don't mean you would have the selector on happy either. Hell if I had the cash for an FA M14 you bet your ass that thing would see the woods in Nov. Sure as heck wouldn't shoot it FA but it would see the woods for deer season because it's just as legitimate of a hunting rifle as a semi auto M1A |
Same here. For a number of years at Ft. McCoy I used my 20" Hbar w/20rd mag, and had my stainless 6" 44mag on my hip with 20rnds in a belt around my waist. I always used a 3 point sling so it was always in front of me at the ready while walking. I loved the looks I got as people veered out of the way. I would get the occasional, "You're using THAT?" comment when people were brave enough to approach me. I never tried to scare anyone on purpose. I am just different, in a superior firepower sort of way. I do have to laugh a bit at people, while it makes me nervous at the same time. PX I know you can attest to this as well. The first year I went deer hunting at Ft. McCoy it was cold and crisp out. Snow on the ground, great conditions for hunting. I'm in my spot I picked days before. The sun comes up, the season opens and for the next 45min to an hour it sounds like WW III. It was unreal at the amount of gin fire going on. You can tell from the rifle signature and direction, etc. that these guys are shooting 4, 5, 6 times or more at the same animal. I often wonder why it is so important to some people to just simply kill a deer for the sake of saying you killed one. Rather than taking 2 or 3 extra seconds to place the shot correctly the first time for a quick kill. Anyway the last few years I have been there for hunting the amount of shots taken on opening day seems to be a lot less. Oh yeah Hookers and blow. 
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I would rather have 28 rounds than 5... tactics/mindset or not, having more ammo is smarter. |
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Nail on head. BAd enough having to deal with big city people (aka CHicago) who never hunted before much less fired a rifle just opening up on the first minute of the first day spraying bullets everywhere., idiots who use their scopes as binoculars, people TARGET SHOOTING in teh woods during deer season and the ever loving asshole who shoots at a deer from BEHIND YOU . Or the one that really irked me was those 5 morons who had to RELOAD to finish off a 90lb at max nub-buck. They already blew both right legs off, intestines were hanging out but the deer kept moving so they had to 'finish it off' with another volley of 20-30 shots. 
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I did set myself up for that one, didn't I?  It was definitely legal. But when my daughters go to college, I'm going to put on blinders. And be intentionally stupid and obtuse. |
I suggest watching like a Hawk ;) - You going to the Handgun 1 saturday? |
SO dont I. Wish it was still 1987. Freshman year of college. Having had that much fun hardly seems legal  Way too much fun. Tooling around Melbourne and 'terrorizing the C511' through Warburton up to Yarra Ranges NP with my old POS Holden.
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