Posted: 11/30/2004 7:35:34 AM EDT
Well I was glancing thru the Defense Edge Class thread above (looks very fun BTW), and I noticed some of the items coved in the syllabus in the class, along the gear that most people were wearing and I think I see some items that I can add to my Christmas list so I'm a little more "prepared"...  I had a utility/duty belt with a pistol holster than works for my pistol, but seems as if a nice sling would be nice. So what are some suggestion of slings that work well for tactical situations/classes. Again, this will only be used for range/class use ---> so I don't need the super-dupper, top the line, my live depends on it ---> although, I want to get something nice. I may look into some tactical holsters too, any suggestions. Oh yeah, note to self.... start building that lighter AR because doing a tactical class w/ my Varminter would NOT be fun.... |
| I use a Spector(formerly CQB solutions) CST ling on my M4 clone, the one Will did the bata dump with, and a Spector SOP sling on my Hbar. I like both of these slings for one major reason, they have the TRB(transition relese buckle) you lip that thing and it gives slack to the sling so you can switch over to your weak side without having to unsling the weapon. Another option for you might be a single point sling. I don't have any experiance with them, so somone else will have to cover that. |
 Here is what I run with, anything more then 2 mags is to much weight.Bulk sticking out off my outer leg. (my experience) SOTech Drop leg panel with Modified 2 mag shingle and one single pistol mag pouch from my .45. gives me 60 rds of 5.56MM and 12 rds of .45 if I have to ditch my vest or just run light. |
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I cobbled together a dropleg rig for myself at the last minute for my pistol,as the rig I normally use wasn't very 'tactical.I've since made up a new setup that carries my pistol,2 pistol mags and two AR mags.I've been working with that and I really like it.If I want MORE i can put on my vesty rig over that. BulletcatchR |
| Don't worry about the varminter, I ran through half the class with a M1A. My mag pouches were two of those GI 3 mag Vietnam era type on a pistol belt. My pistol holster was on the same belt. Glenn ran through it with his mags in his jacket pocket, or in his bdu leg pocket. Getting the concepts and principals is far more important than gear. |
So you're saying Santa won't remember me this year?!  j/k I hear what you're saying. But new toys are always fun!
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Off to search for light, short barrels... and suggestions? How about slings? I've seen the CQB CST Sling, any other suggestions? I'm pretty sure I'm going with a 3-point, brand is what I'm looking for. |
All depends, I like the Hbar in 16in. It's a whole 1/3lb heavier than the M4 barrel, and honestly, you don't notice the diference, at least I don't. Also I have the CST sling and the SOP sling. If you want to play around with either o them, let me know. Also One o my guns has the M4 proile 16in barrel, the other an Hbar. So if you want to shoot um to see what you like, let m know. Also what are the plans for the upper? Tac matches, blastin away?? I don't like the pencil barrels they heat up to quick. I've seen them heat up to throw a pattern at 100 yards, i yer shooting a little they are nice from what I hear, but the only person I know personaly with a pencil barrel is looking to replace his. |
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Anytime, just bring ammo  and dummy cord your mags, they seem to like to walk away.  If you go with a collapsable stock, here is something i've learned. Rarely will you use the stock in any position other than the first open position from closed. I have a three poition on my EA lower and a 4 position on my oly lower. The only time either stock gets pulled out past the first position is if i'm shooting prone than I put the stock in the second position. Don't waste the money on a 6 position stock, it's really not worth it for the two extra positions IMO. The other thing is if you plan to use the same lower for both uppers, get the GG&G sling thing with the QD swivels. I don't use it but I wish I had gone that route when I only had the one lower and was using multiple uppers on it. Swithing out the uppers ment taking the sling off the back part o the gun so it was off. I don;t use a sling on my .40 upper because I don;t shoot it enough. But once I get a third lower to SBR I'll have a permanent home for the upper and it will get a CST sling. |
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I have a Sling Systems 3-point sling which I've used for several tactical classes (on a 20" rifle, no less!) and it's worked extremely well. I'm going to try out a Specter Gear HST sling on my M4gery to get a feel for how the single-point crowd lives.
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Yeah, but I was definitely lacking the CDI factor that the rest of you had  I did finally get a Phantom installed on my barrel, though
I use two Colt pencil barrels and have had good luck with them. The weight savings is nice. My accuracy has been limited by my shooting ability rather than the barrel, although I haven't heated them up with any auto fire or anything. The only headache is they're so skinny that any muzzle devices have to be permanently installed, as there's no real shoulder to tighten against. Glenn R. |
Be like me MrPX, Yahahahahahaha.Seriously,I've got a couple of sewing machines and if anyone wants to learn how to make gear I'll be glad to show and tell. It's what I live for. Roll your own gEAR!! Stripper clips are a must but I'd rather have a 'gazillion' mags loaded and ready to go. BulletcatchR |
| I have a CQB Solutions (Spectre Gear) CST sling, and I love it. I use it on my SL8. I also have a Northeast Tactical (northeasttactical.com) single point sling with the elastic cord for my AR, and it works great. With the single point and elastic, you need to be very aware of your muzzle's distace from the ground if you have to go from standing to kneeling so as to avoid nasty little plugs of dirt in the barrel. |
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The stitch bitches are down the road,spec nasty,around here we're the STITCH FUCKING MASTERS Just down the road ilives an expert quilter and she is building a studio to house a quilter's retreat.A huge studio with 12 tables and facilities to feed and house 12 people I think. Soooo,the first Midwest Cordura Fest is in the "imagination" stage.I'll have to see what the costs will be and I'll have to hookup some more machines. BulletcachR |
to bad you couldnt make it we had a blast today.. and i have to say BulletcatchR knows his shit about gear.. i got to check out his work shop today and i gota say DAMN.. soon i will be buying a set up from him |
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We didn't get enough shooting the shit done,next time. I WAY overdid it,spent most of Sunday recuperating.I've found that a couple of weeks of healing after my initial injury I'm discovering some aches and pains from pulled muscles in my hip and quads that were kind of under the radar before.I've been doing most of my walking on the blacktop and spending a day in the rough was HARD. I had all day to think about the next meet and will post an update soon. BulletcatchR |
Don't forget drawing the secondary weapon from concealment every time during the meltdown drills! Masochistic, but cool! |
Actually you know TWO guys with a pencil barrel then! I'll throw my opinion out there just as another side of the coin. I shot the class with a 16" pencil barrel with a 1-12 twist. Shot good groups even on the longer strings. I also hit the 8" steel plate at 100 yards on darn near every shot, from prone and kneeling supported, shooting full mags in controlled fashion. I might ditch it IF I had full auto, and a real need to mount a counter-ambush, or extended strings at >100 yards on point targets, but in semi-auto mode, and especially CQB distances, I don't see a need for the HBAR. I haven't shot silhouettes at distance yet, but I'll bet that I can at least hit a B-27 with it out to 300 yards in NRA rapid fire. My next build is going to be like the new M4 DMR carbine the AMU is working on. But I love my pencil barrel, A1, <6 lb. carbine! |
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My recommendation is to keep the gear simple and basic. Go to a course and figure out what works for you, as well as look at what others are using, what works and does not work for them as well. Then once you figure out what is necessary and what is wanted, go shopping, or get the new line from BulletcatchR Stitch F-ing Masters (of which I can't wait to see!!). Don't worry about the Cool Dude factor at a course, work on getting to a course and learning. Stay Safe, Greg Sullivan "Sully" Chief Instructor www.thedefensiveedge.com |
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I'd get a drop down subload magpouch. I've ordered one. I just stuck mags in my pockets at Sully's course and it worked out okay but was a little clumsy at times. Other than that I wore military web gear so I'd have something to hang a holster off of. Keep It Simple Stupid 
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