Posted: 1/25/2010 5:08:28 PM EDT
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Looking at a possible job in Pueblo. What can you tell me about Pueblo beyond that fact that it went for Obama in 2008 (this almost queers the deal to begin with |
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Life-long Pueblo resident here. I will fill you in a bit.
This town is very, very union and very democrat. They are the kind of democrats that don't really know why they are democrats, but they will always vote that way. The democrats here like guns and hunting, hate abortion, and hate taxes. The town is very patriotic and has strong tradition of military service. There is no Berkley-style soldier bashing here. Anybody that tried would be beaten. The town is called the "Home of Heroes" because there are more Medal of Honor recipients from here than anywhere else. The weather here is slightly more mild than the rest of the state, and we don't get as much snow. The population is about 105,000 people. 50% Hispanic or partly Hispanic, 45% white, and 5% other. The 45% white includes Italians, who probably make up about 10% of the total population. There were about 3 black families in the town before hurricane Katrina, now there are a few more. There used to be some prejudices in the past, but now I would consider this town extremely tolerant compared to other parts of the country I have been. The town has a very Hispanic and south-western culture. It has the best Mexican food I have ever had, anywhere. I have visited 45 states including all of the south western states, and nowhere have I tasted better. There is an Italian sub-culture that is very strong. They used to run everything 50-60 years ago. Economic: Pueblo is suffering from high unemployment right now. It was once a booming steel town, but the mill is nothing like it was a few decades ago. Average wages are lower than the rest of the state, but this is offset by a very low cost of living. This is a very cheap city to live in. The city is broke, just like everywhere else in the state. The council started several major projects in the last few years, but when the economy tanked, the projects began to run out of funding and are now lagging behind. Housing is very cheap: Apartments start at $350 a month for a one bedroom on the bad side of town. Average price for a decent apartment with 2-3 bedrooms is $500-$600. There are seven neighborhoods in town, and housing prices differ greatly depending on where you are. You can rent a three bedroom house in the east side for $550-$600 a month. I would not live there. The average price to rent a nice 4 bedroom, 1800 square foot home is about $1000 a month. Buying homes: The median price in my neighborhood is $165,000. This is a 2 year old development, all 1700-2200 sq foot homes, 3-4 bedrooms in one of the nicer neighborhoods. Stuff to do: This is one of Pueblo's biggest problems. The night life is shit. There are a dozen bars downtown that get some traffic. Occasionally a nightclub will spring up but they don't tend to do very well. As for daytime stuff, there is a large reservoir outside of town that is big enough for 30ft boats. Decent fishing. There are a few nature trails along the rivers that run through town. The state fair is held here every summer, that is kind of fun. The best thing about this town is that it is 30 minutes away from 3 different places to have fun in the mountains. The wet mountains to the south have some decent camping, hiking, and fishing. To the west there is some great white water rafting. To the North is the Garden of the Gods and Pikes Peak. Up until this year the town was developing very quickly. New shopping centers, department stores, super walmarts, Sams Club, restaurants, and housing. That all slowed down this year. Neighborhoods to live in/avoid. Northridge= good University Park=Good South Side=good Belmont= allright West side=bad Bessemer= Very bad East side= Don't get caught there after dark if you are white. Now for Pueblo West. PW is a separate, planned community outside of town that is actually larger than the city itself. Think of it as a super suburb. This is my favorite place to live. Houses are more spread out, land is cheaper, the houses are nicer, the demographic is "nicer," and crime is lower. It also has a very nice private shooting range. The only annoying thing is all of the neighborhood covenants. That is pretty much it, all in all it is a decent place to live and work. It may not be the nicest city in Colorado, but it is not as crowded as the other cities either. |
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One thing I have noticed is the re-vitalization of the old Rail Depot area down by the river. The Frau and I had actually looked at what it would take to open a small mirco brewery/pub down there in the late 90's. We were in a race w/ the folks who opened Phantom Canyon Brewery in the Springs. They thought is was their turf Had a friend who lived on the east side, worked for the State. He never had any trouble. 6' 6" 300lbs, a German shepard and a crap pile of weapons. |
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One thing I have noticed is the re-vitalization of the old Rail Depot area down by the river. The Frau and I had actually looked at what it would take to open a small mirco brewery/pub down there in the late 90's. We were in a race w/ the folks who opened Phantom Canyon Brewery in the Springs. They thought is was their turf Had a friend who lived on the east side, worked for the State. He never had any trouble. 6' 6" 300lbs, a German shepard and a crap pile of weapons. What about the Shamrock brewery? It is a pretty cool place. You are right about the downtown area. That is one of the places the city is spending a lot of money on. The river walk project is one of the big reasons we got the PBR headquarters. |
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I was born and raised in Pueblo until I left for school at 19 years old. I'm 25 now, and have never had the urge to move back, even though all my family is still there. Too many minorities and crime for my liking. My first and only draw down was in Pueblo, as well as the only place my car has been broken into and vandalized (seperate occations). Saw my first and only stab victim wander onto my property there. Bleh, too many crappy things happen in that town.
I visit quite often, and I'll agree that the mexican food is AWESOME! As far as living there though, no thanks, I'll stick to windy Wyoming. |
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Live in Colo Springs, work in Pueblo. It's a 40 mile commute. The Springs is the conservative heart of the state. It is a pretty easy commute, but that sounds kind of backwards. Most people live in Pueblo or Pueblo West and commute to the springs, because rent in Colorado Springs is much higher than it is here. There are parts of Pueblo that are nice, namely Pueblo West. Pueblo West is more like Colorado Springs than it is like Pueblo. Very conservative, much lower property and sales tax than the city, and lower crime. I just cant get over the traffic in Springs, the infrastructure has not kept up with the population. I forgot to mention the worst thing about Pueblo for business owners: taxes. The city has a "use tax" that is very high. If you bring in supplies or equipment to use from outside of the city you have to pay tax on it. They split the inspection permits for everything so you have to pay a separate inspection fee every time. It gets pretty stupid after a while. |
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have they got vehicle inspections? how about bumper height limits? These 2 things and the CCW laws tell me enought about a state for me to make a buy/no-buy decision alone. Pueblo does not have vehicle inspections or emmisions. Bumper height limits are anything that is deamed "unsafe" IIRC. CCW is GTG, take a certified class and you get it. |
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have they got vehicle inspections? how about bumper height limits? These 2 things and the CCW laws tell me enought about a state for me to make a buy/no-buy decision alone. Open carry is also 100% legal. You may attract unwanted attention if you walk through downtown while OC, but otherwise you are good to go. One of the great things I love about Colorado law is this: You can carry a pistol concealed in your vehicle without a permit as long as you are legally able to posses a pistol in the first place. If you are into dirt bikes, ATVs, and 4x4s, there is a huge motorsport park in town where you can pretty much do whatever you want. Lots of hills and jumps. We used to be able to shoot out there, but that was before it was inside city limits. |
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had a phone interview today. I asked about the economy and unemployment and was told it was not a factor in Pueblo, and was certainly no worse than the national or state average. I appreciate folks wanting to paint a bright picture but based on the responses here, it would appear the ecomony has hit Pueblo harder than than most other places. |
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had a phone interview today. I asked about the economy and unemployment and was told it was not a factor in Pueblo, and was certainly no worse than the national or state average. I appreciate folks wanting to paint a bright picture but based on the responses here, it would appear the ecomony has hit Pueblo harder than than most other places. Its been this way for 20 years.
That guy did lie to you a bit, it is harder to find a job in Pueblo than it is in Colorado Springs. Ask me how I know. Unless you work in health care. If you are a health care professional you can almost set your own salary right now. Huge demand for nurses and specialists like physical therapists. Senior care is also booming. If you are in the construction field, like me, you will be working in Colorado Springs anyway. Whatever you decide, good luck. |
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The only vehicle inspections required are a VIN verification when you first bring the car from out of state, and emissions tests every second year. You don't need to get your lights checked in order to register the car.
There might be a bumper height limit somewhere. If so, I don't know what it is. Quoted:
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have they got vehicle inspections? how about bumper height limits? These 2 things and the CCW laws tell me enought about a state for me to make a buy/no-buy decision alone. Open carry is also 100% legal. You may attract unwanted attention if you walk through downtown while OC, but otherwise you are good to go. One of the great things I love about Colorado law is this: You can carry a pistol concealed in your vehicle without a permit as long as you are legally able to posses a pistol in the first place. If you are into dirt bikes, ATVs, and 4x4s, there is a huge motorsport park in town where you can pretty much do whatever you want. Lots of hills and jumps. We used to be able to shoot out there, but that was before it was inside city limits. |
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Life-long Pueblo resident here. I will fill you in a bit. This town is very, very union and very democrat. They are the kind of democrats that don't really know why they are democrats, but they will always vote that way. The democrats here like guns and hunting, hate abortion, and hate taxes. The town is very patriotic and has strong tradition of military service. There is no Berkley-style soldier bashing here. Anybody that tried would be beaten. The town is called the "Home of Heroes" because there are more Medal of Honor recipients from here than anywhere else. The weather here is slightly more mild than the rest of the state, and we don't get as much snow. The population is about 105,000 people. 50% Hispanic or partly Hispanic, 45% white, and 5% other. The 45% white includes Italians, who probably make up about 10% of the total population. There were about 3 black families in the town before hurricane Katrina, now there are a few more. There used to be some prejudices in the past, but now I would consider this town extremely tolerant compared to other parts of the country I have been. The town has a very Hispanic and south-western culture. It has the best Mexican food I have ever had, anywhere. I have visited 45 states including all of the south western states, and nowhere have I tasted better. There is an Italian sub-culture that is very strong. They used to run everything 50-60 years ago. Economic: Pueblo is suffering from high unemployment right now. It was once a booming steel town, but the mill is nothing like it was a few decades ago. Average wages are lower than the rest of the state, but this is offset by a very low cost of living. This is a very cheap city to live in. The city is broke, just like everywhere else in the state. The council started several major projects in the last few years, but when the economy tanked, the projects began to run out of funding and are now lagging behind. Housing is very cheap: Apartments start at $350 a month for a one bedroom on the bad side of town. Average price for a decent apartment with 2-3 bedrooms is $500-$600. There are seven neighborhoods in town, and housing prices differ greatly depending on where you are. You can rent a three bedroom house in the east side for $550-$600 a month. I would not live there. The average price to rent a nice 4 bedroom, 1800 square foot home is about $1000 a month. Buying homes: The median price in my neighborhood is $165,000. This is a 2 year old development, all 1700-2200 sq foot homes, 3-4 bedrooms in one of the nicer neighborhoods. Stuff to do: This is one of Pueblo's biggest problems. The night life is shit. There are a dozen bars downtown that get some traffic. Occasionally a nightclub will spring up but they don't tend to do very well. As for daytime stuff, there is a large reservoir outside of town that is big enough for 30ft boats. Decent fishing. There are a few nature trails along the rivers that run through town. The state fair is held here every summer, that is kind of fun. The best thing about this town is that it is 30 minutes away from 3 different places to have fun in the mountains. The wet mountains to the south have some decent camping, hiking, and fishing. To the west there is some great white water rafting. To the North is the Garden of the Gods and Pikes Peak. Up until this year the town was developing very quickly. New shopping centers, department stores, super walmarts, Sams Club, restaurants, and housing. That all slowed down this year. Neighborhoods to live in/avoid. Northridge= good University Park=Good South Side=good Belmont= allright West side=bad Bessemer= Very bad East side= Don't get caught there after dark if you are white. Now for Pueblo West. PW is a separate, planned community outside of town that is actually larger than the city itself. Think of it as a super suburb. This is my favorite place to live. Houses are more spread out, land is cheaper, the houses are nicer, the demographic is "nicer," and crime is lower. It also has a very nice private shooting range. The only annoying thing is all of the neighborhood covenants. That is pretty much it, all in all it is a decent place to live and work. It may not be the nicest city in Colorado, but it is not as crowded as the other cities either. As a life long resident of Pueblo County (21 years in Pueblo and 15 in Pueblo West), I can say this is a very accurate description. And there is good information in this thread as well. Another thing not mentioned is the cost of living. It’s pretty damn cheap to live here, but the insurance for health and auto are higher than comparable sized areas. As for the shooting range out here in P West, its pretty kick ass, but good luck trying to get a membership. The waiting list is 5+ years. I think they do open a public portion on the last weekend of each month, but don’t quote me on that. As mentioned, the Mexican food here is second to none. Good luck man, I hope you make it down here. |