Posted: 2/14/2003 6:56:55 AM EDT
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From CSSA SB24, shall-issue concealed carry, passed out of committee and is headed to the Senate Appropriations Committee. We think it will be heard next Friday, 2/21/03. It is a financial "wash" and will have no impact on the state budget, since all costs are covered by application fees. Therefore there is no logical reason for it not to come out of Approprations Committee and go to the senate floor for a full vote. However, they will be getting a lot of pressure from the antis to vote no and kill the bill. Please contact the members of the Appropriations Committee and urge them to vote YES on SB24. The committee members are listed below. You can email all of them except Dave Owen, or if you like, send them a snail mail letter, at: State Capitol, 200 E Colfax Ave, Denver 80203. Thanks, Aimee |
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From CSSA The antis dropped flyers on doors over the weekend urging residents to call Governor Owens and Senate Majority Leader Norma Anderson and ask her to vote no on SB 24, Shall Issue Concealed Carry, saying "hidden handguns threaten public safety," and asking Owens to veto the bill. They need to hear from us as well! Please keep the heat on Senator Anderson (303-866-3341, [email protected]), and also on Governor Owens (303-866-2471, [email protected]). Urge Senator Anderson to vote yes on concealed carry and preemption, and urge Governor Owens to sign both bills as soon as he gets them. Thanks, Aimee |
| Page 6 Line 22 excludes anyone that has ever lost their driver's liscense to a single aclohol related offense. DMV automatically suspends a person's liscense no matter what the outcome of a case is. From what I understand they do this upon a person being charged, not upon conviction. |
Definitely. I have no idea why we need to pass a bad bill and hope that we can work backwards to get it changed. Right now, it makes more sense to negotiate from the standpoint of Lamborn's bill. The CSSA is supporting SB 24, just like they supported last year's "compromise" bill HB 1410. Nothing but a bunch of weasels and lapdogs. When and if they decide to truly represent gunowners and not pander to political figures, I may become a member of the CSSA again. |
The actual language is "two or more alcohol related convictions," which seems reasonable. They make allowance for one mistake, but figure anybody that has multiple convictions is a risk. Of course, what actually gets passed and signed is anybody's guess. |
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SN24 from RMGO Feb. 21, 2003 - This morning the Senate Appropriations Committee passed SB24 by Sen. Ken Chlouber (R-Leadville) to the full enate. Senate Bill 63 by Sen. Doug Lamborn (R-Colo. Springs) was held over at the request of the sponsor for a simple reason: right now, we don’t have the votes to pass it out of the Senate. Chlouber’s concealed carry bill fraught with problems However, RMGO worked with several Senators to add language to SB24 (while in the State Affairs Committee) to add an amendment that would prohibit a statewide database of permit holders. Two other amendments failed: one to get rid of the outrageous requirement in SB24 to have training within the last 5 years; the other to make hunter safety training as the lowest level of training required. These three issues are incredibly important to gun owners: allowing government bureaucrats to create a statewide database of permit holders is tantamount to another gun owner registration scheme. There is another issue that is rather large: SB24 clumsily does a dance about private property (page 25, starting at line 17), leaving a gaping hole for attorneys to create new criminal safezones. There is no need for a concealed carry bill to give private property owners the ability to control their own property, as there is a long history of Colorado law that defines the rights and obligations of private property owners. What SB24’s language could do is give quasi-governmental entities, like Coors field, the ability to create their own criminal safezone. This entire provision of SB24 needs to be removed. Senate Bill 24 has other problems: it creates K-12 public schools as a new criminal safezone, though it does allow parents to carry in their vehicles while picking up their kids; it gathers fingerprints when there is really no need (background checks rarely turn up more with fingerprints); it is expensive ($100 plus fingerprint fees for a 4 year permit, not to mention the cost for required training); and it sunsets existing permits early. Part of the problem is that Sen. Chlouber is doing everything possible to keep the sheriff's Association happy. The last time we checked, the sheriff's association doesn’t have a vote in the Colorado legislature, and if sheriffs as a whole had agreed upon a good concealed carry policy, we wouldn’t need this change in law. In other words, it is the sheriffs that brought us to this point by not issuing permits -- they shouldn't be setting law, as Chlouber is allowing them to do. Legislation is like a snowball rolling downhill: it gathers speed but it also gathers junk that it picks up along the way. After a while, few pay attention to what is inside that snowball, as most only see the surface. NRA members are often unwitting victims of this principle, reading the headlines of a bill and trusting an organization to give them straight scoop. They may as well place their trust in junk bonds. The requirement to have training within the last 5 years is one of those pieces of junk. For the first 8 years of concealed carry battles (the first concealed carry bill in modern history was run in 1994, when Chlouber and then-State Rep. Drew Clark both ran bills) this requirement was never mentioned, but in 2001 a well-meaning witness to a concealed carry bill let fly a wild idea: Bob Meyer, an Arapahoe County Republican activist and a certified firearms trainer, thought EVERYONE should have refresher courses in firearms use and safety. Either arrogance (“There are too many stupid people with guns” attitude) or naiveté led him to suggest this new requirement, and now it has become a part of the snowball. The problem is that once it is in the bill it is difficult to remove. We’re doing our best to get rid of this requirement, but for now we can only say “Thanks, Bob.” Why are things so difficult to remove from the bill? Though we can give clear and convincing arguments for changes we would like to make to Chlouber’s bill, the fact is that logic is not dictating anything – politics is the driving force. The Governor wants to pass a concealed carry bill, but he wants one so mucked up with concessions to the anti-gun lobby that even Tom Mauser should be happy with it. The difference is that our side (other than RMGO and GOA) doesn’t push, they only give ground. SAFE, Ceasefire and the rest of the gun ban group pushes and pushes, and once they get what they want, they push more. They NEVER settle. Unfortunately, the NRA always settles, long before the battle even happens. On top of that factor is that the NRA isn’t representing its members: it is representing the Governor. On our web page is a picture of NRA State Liasion Maryanne Bradfield talking with a member of the governor’s staff Call your State Senator at 303-866-2316 (or Toll Free at 1-888-473-8136) and urge your Senator to fix SB24 by removing the cumbersome training requirements, removing private property language, and keeping prohibition on databases. |
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From CSSA SB24, Senator Ken Chlouber’s Uniform, Shall-Issue Concealed Carry Bill, passed out of the Senate Appropriations Committee Friday, February 21, and is now headed to the floor of the State Senate for second reading next week. Please call or email your state senator TODAY (see link below), even if you have already called on this bill, and urge him/her to vote for this important legislation. Please also call the senators listed below and thank them for their support of this bill in the Appropriations Committee: Sen. David Owen (and say an extra “thank you” for keeping CBI out of shooters’ pockets to pay for background checks!) 303-866-2586 Sen. Ron Teck 303-866-2585 Sen. Ken Chlouber (and say an extra “thank you” for sponsoring this legislation!) 303-866-4869 Sen. Jim Dyer (and say an extra “thank you” for sponsoring pre-emption legislation, discussed below!) 303-866- Sen. Mark Hillman 303-866-6360 Sen. Doug Lamborn 303-866-4835 To find your state senator, click on this link: http://www.capwiz.com/nra/dbq/officials |