Posted: 3/5/2012 9:10:31 PM EDT
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I'm looking for someone in the greater Puget Sound area that can do firearms engraving. Image and lettering, not fancy scroll work.;
Anyone know of folks doing this? My search via the net and all day Friday did not pan out. Thanks in advance. |
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Just as a word of caution
To engrave firearms, a person must have an FFL Would hate to see someone lose a firearm because BATFE decided that was the day they were going to talk about the law with a non licensed vendor ETA: engraving is considered by the BATFE to be gunsmithing |
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Just as a word of caution To engrave firearms, a person must have an FFL Would hate to see someone lose a firearm because BATFE decided that was the day they were going to talk about the law with a non licensed vendor ETA: engraving is considered by the BATFE to be gunsmithing Where does it say that an FFL can be the only one that works on your gun? |
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Just as a word of caution To engrave firearms, a person must have an FFL Would hate to see someone lose a firearm because BATFE decided that was the day they were going to talk about the law with a non licensed vendor ETA: engraving is considered by the BATFE to be gunsmithing Where does it say that an FFL can be the only one that works on your gun? I think he may be conflating regulations regarding the shipping of firearms. |
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Found this while doing a search of BATFE web site for "engraving".
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If you have NFA items that need to be engraved then only a shop with a ffl sot can do the work unless you stay with the NFA item as its getting done then no ffl sot is needed. You can leave your non nfa AR at any shop to get done if you like False (Direct cut and paste from BATFE) Q: Is a license needed to engage in the business of engraving, customizing, refinishing or repairing firearms? Yes. A person conducting such activities as a business is considered to be a gunsmith within the definition of a dealer. [27 CFR 478.11] |
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If you have NFA items that need to be engraved then only a shop with a ffl sot can do the work unless you stay with the NFA item as its getting done then no ffl sot is needed. You can leave your non nfa AR at any shop to get done if you like False (Direct cut and paste from BATFE) Q: Is a license needed to engage in the business of engraving, customizing, refinishing or repairing firearms? Yes. A person conducting such activities as a business is considered to be a gunsmith within the definition of a dealer. [27 CFR 478.11] Thats strange as I know of two engraving shops that dont have a ffl and do not gunsmith but they have engraved hundreds of suppressors with the customer waiting. |
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If you have NFA items that need to be engraved then only a shop with a ffl sot can do the work unless you stay with the NFA item as its getting done then no ffl sot is needed. You can leave your non nfa AR at any shop to get done if you like False (Direct cut and paste from BATFE) Q: Is a license needed to engage in the business of engraving, customizing, refinishing or repairing firearms? Yes. A person conducting such activities as a business is considered to be a gunsmith within the definition of a dealer. [27 CFR 478.11] Thats strange as I know of two engraving shops that dont have a ffl and do not gunsmith but they have engraved hundreds of suppressors with the customer waiting. Just because someone does it means it is legal.. BTW were they complete suppressors or was about to be built into a suppressor? The link to the question link |
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If you have NFA items that need to be engraved then only a shop with a ffl sot can do the work unless you stay with the NFA item as its getting done then no ffl sot is needed. You can leave your non nfa AR at any shop to get done if you like False (Direct cut and paste from BATFE) Q: Is a license needed to engage in the business of engraving, customizing, refinishing or repairing firearms? Yes. A person conducting such activities as a business is considered to be a gunsmith within the definition of a dealer. [27 CFR 478.11] Thats strange as I know of two engraving shops that dont have a ffl and do not gunsmith but they have engraved hundreds of suppressors with the customer waiting. Just because someone does it means it is legal.. BTW were they complete suppressors or was about to be built into a suppressor? The link to the question link They do both complete and unfinished cans and have been doing them for many years. The tube for a suppresseor is a suppresor even without baffles or end caps, even one baffle is a suppressor. |
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If you have NFA items that need to be engraved then only a shop with a ffl sot can do the work unless you stay with the NFA item as its getting done then no ffl sot is needed. You can leave your non nfa AR at any shop to get done if you like False (Direct cut and paste from BATFE) Q: Is a license needed to engage in the business of engraving, customizing, refinishing or repairing firearms? Yes. A person conducting such activities as a business is considered to be a gunsmith within the definition of a dealer. [27 CFR 478.11] Thats strange as I know of two engraving shops that dont have a ffl and do not gunsmith but they have engraved hundreds of suppressors with the customer waiting. Just because someone does it means it is legal.. BTW were they complete suppressors or was about to be built into a suppressor? The link to the question link They do both complete and unfinished cans and have been doing them for many years. The tube for a suppresseor is a suppresor even without baffles or end caps, even one baffle is a suppressor. They are foolish and playing with fire |
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If you have NFA items that need to be engraved then only a shop with a ffl sot can do the work unless you stay with the NFA item as its getting done then no ffl sot is needed. You can leave your non nfa AR at any shop to get done if you like False (Direct cut and paste from BATFE) Q: Is a license needed to engage in the business of engraving, customizing, refinishing or repairing firearms? Yes. A person conducting such activities as a business is considered to be a gunsmith within the definition of a dealer. [27 CFR 478.11] Thats strange as I know of two engraving shops that dont have a ffl and do not gunsmith but they have engraved hundreds of suppressors with the customer waiting. Just because someone does it means it is legal.. BTW were they complete suppressors or was about to be built into a suppressor? The link to the question link They do both complete and unfinished cans and have been doing them for many years. The tube for a suppresseor is a suppresor even without baffles or end caps, even one baffle is a suppressor. They are foolish and playing with fire On the other hand if it was people doing suppressors on a form 1 and needing the info engraved on the tube prior to being able to submit the form 1 it would be legal. No form 1, it shouldnt be anything more than a piece of tubing. If the form 1/4 is back and they are then engraving, something isnt right |
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If you have NFA items that need to be engraved then only a shop with a ffl sot can do the work unless you stay with the NFA item as its getting done then no ffl sot is needed. You can leave your non nfa AR at any shop to get done if you like False (Direct cut and paste from BATFE) Q: Is a license needed to engage in the business of engraving, customizing, refinishing or repairing firearms? Yes. A person conducting such activities as a business is considered to be a gunsmith within the definition of a dealer. [27 CFR 478.11] Thats strange as I know of two engraving shops that dont have a ffl and do not gunsmith but they have engraved hundreds of suppressors with the customer waiting. Just because someone does it means it is legal.. BTW were they complete suppressors or was about to be built into a suppressor? The link to the question link They do both complete and unfinished cans and have been doing them for many years. The tube for a suppresseor is a suppresor even without baffles or end caps, even one baffle is a suppressor. They are foolish and playing with fire On the other hand if it was people doing suppressors on a form 1 and needing the info engraved on the tube prior to being able to submit the form 1 it would be legal. No form 1, it shouldnt be anything more than a piece of tubing. If the form 1/4 is back and they are then engraving, something isnt right That was where I was leading to with the form 1, hence can be engraved by non FFL. |
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I think they way they look at it is if you leave the gun with them, you've transferred it to them, and they'd have to transfer it back to you. They'd be legally required to have an FFL.
But, if you never leave the gun with them (basically wait there while they preform the work), then you didn't transfer the gun to them, and it's not required to have an FFL. And, one of the best engravers in the world lives in Lacey. He does amazing work. But, if you're just looking to chase some lettering, he's probably not your guy. |
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I think they way they look at it is if you leave the gun with them, you've transferred it to them, and they'd have to transfer it back to you. They'd be legally required to have an FFL. But, if you never leave the gun with them (basically wait there while they preform the work), then you didn't transfer the gun to them, and it's not required to have an FFL. And, one of the best engravers in the world lives in Lacey. He does amazing work. But, if you're just looking to chase some lettering, he's probably not your guy. Who is this person? Is it actual hand engraving, old school? |
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Not sure where or when I copped this pic, but WOW.
I would prefer this in a high-polished blue. Nitre-blue would be awesome, but I don't even know if that can be done to an entire firearm. I just think this is so cool, I saved the pic. ( I wasn't logged in on the first try ) 
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I called J & S in Olympia and they said while they have a laser engraver, they do not do not have a rotary engraver that will cut at least .003" deep into the metal to satisfy federal law. I was told to try asking Mega Machines in Tumwater and Aero Precision. I called Mega Machines and they will not engrave my silencers. No one at Areo Precision answers the phone. Southridge Arms recommended a guy in Kent, but the number I was given was no good.
I talked to SPG Tech in Seattle. He said he can do my steel cans for about $30 each, but he will not be ready to do it for about a month. I am still looking for my own pantograph so I can engrave them myself. Ranb |
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I called J & S in Olympia and they said while they have a laser engraver, they do not do not have a rotary engraver that will cut at least .003" deep into the metal to satisfy federal law. I was told to try asking Mega Machines in Tumwater and Aero Precision. I called Mega Machines and they will not engrave my silencers. No one at Areo Precision answers the phone. Southridge Arms recommended a guy in Kent, but the number I was given was no good. I talked to SPG Tech in Seattle. He said he can do my steel cans for about $30 each, but he will not be ready to do it for about a month. I am still looking for my own pantograph so I can engrave them myself. Ranb I took a small road trip to Bye engraving in Portland OR with 10 cans to get done, sat with the engraver almost the entire day but they got done and look good too. I'm building a small cnc engraver to avoid the hassle of having them done by a shop. |
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I called J & S in Olympia and they said while they have a laser engraver, they do not do not have a rotary engraver that will cut at least .003" deep into the metal to satisfy federal law. I was told to try asking Mega Machines in Tumwater and Aero Precision. I called Mega Machines and they will not engrave my silencers. No one at Areo Precision answers the phone. Southridge Arms recommended a guy in Kent, but the number I was given was no good. I talked to SPG Tech in Seattle. He said he can do my steel cans for about $30 each, but he will not be ready to do it for about a month. I am still looking for my own pantograph so I can engrave them myself. Ranb I took a small road trip to Bye engraving in Portland OR with 10 cans to get done, sat with the engraver almost the entire day but they got done and look good too. I'm building a small cnc engraver to avoid the hassle of having them done by a shop. So did you let the ATF know you were transporting those cans out of state? |
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I never do and the BATFE does not care either.
http://www.atf.gov/regulations-rulings/laws/ 11. MOVING NFA FIREARMS
INTERSTATE A person who desires to transport a machinegun, short-barreled rifle, shortbarreled shotgun, or destructive device interstate must first apply to ATF for permission to do so. ATF Form 5320.20, Application to Transport Interstate or to Temporarily Export Certain National Firearms Act (NFA) Firearms, can be used for this purpose. Ranb |
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I called J & S in Olympia and they said while they have a laser engraver, they do not do not have a rotary engraver that will cut at least .003" deep into the metal to satisfy federal law. I was told to try asking Mega Machines in Tumwater and Aero Precision. I called Mega Machines and they will not engrave my silencers. No one at Areo Precision answers the phone. Southridge Arms recommended a guy in Kent, but the number I was given was no good. I talked to SPG Tech in Seattle. He said he can do my steel cans for about $30 each, but he will not be ready to do it for about a month. I am still looking for my own pantograph so I can engrave them myself. Ranb I took a small road trip to Bye engraving in Portland OR with 10 cans to get done, sat with the engraver almost the entire day but they got done and look good too. I'm building a small cnc engraver to avoid the hassle of having them done by a shop. So did you let the ATF know you were transporting those cans out of state? No need for cans |
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Boy did this thread ever get off track. I'm not looking for any NFA marks, manufacturers marks or anything like that. Just want to get what was laser engraved converted to deep engraving so I can refinish the guns with Duracoat and not lose the engraving. You started derailment from the beginning as you never said what the engraving was for in better detail. |
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Boy did this thread ever get off track. I'm not looking for any NFA marks, manufacturers marks or anything like that. Just want to get what was laser engraved converted to deep engraving so I can refinish the guns with Duracoat and not lose the engraving. You started derailment from the beginning as you never said what the engraving was for in better detail. Also took long enough for him to respond.. |
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This thread is relevant to my interests:
Getting married in a few months. Thinking about buying my best-man-to-be (groomsman's gift) a Rem870 and had thought about having the receiver engraved with something. All of the places mentioned in this thread have been pretty far south of my AO (Snohomish). Any spots in the north end to check out? What kind of cost am I looking at for say....simple text, like initials? >$100? Excuse the newb questions, I have never had anything engraved before. |
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It also sort of got derailed because according the ATFE any engraving is also gunsmithing and needs to be done by an FFL. At least if it's done on a serialized component. Which a receiver is. You make a excellent point. So a slide of a handgun, upper on a AR, etc.. can be engraved by anybody, but the serialized receiver can't. |
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This thread is relevant to my interests: Getting married in a few months. Thinking about buying my best-man-to-be (groomsman's gift) a Rem870 and had thought about having the receiver engraved with something. All of the places mentioned in this thread have been pretty far south of my AO (Snohomish). Any spots in the north end to check out? What kind of cost am I looking at for say....simple text, like initials? >$100? Excuse the newb questions, I have never had anything engraved before. Bump for recommendations up north (Snohomish County). Still in the market to have some work done on an 870 receiver. |