Posted: 4/9/2010 7:10:43 PM EDT
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Would a Magwell grip be a go or a no go on an AR pistol?
This is what I am looking at. Grip As always thank you for the help! |
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Would a Magwell grip be a go or a no go on an AR pistol? This is what I am looking at. Grip As always thank you for the help! I would say no. "pistol" + "second grip forward of the (trigger?)" = AOW Yes, one could argue the mag well is there anyway, so what's the diff? imho, this accessory is designed and intended to provide a better grip than the mag well itself...."better" may be construed by the All Tyrant Fucktards as "illegal unless you pays da taxman" But what do I know?   
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I thought the AOW was a "forward vertical grip".... Where is that ATF wording? And has this been posted in the Pistol section? ATF FAQ "originally designed..." "shall not include a rifled bore...." "vertical fore grip...." Would skateboard tape on a magwell make it illegal?? |
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I thought the AOW was a "forward vertical grip".... Where is that ATF wording? And has this been posted in the Pistol section? ATF FAQ "originally designed..." "shall not include a rifled bore...." "vertical fore grip...." Would skateboard tape on a magwell make it illegal?? No...because skateboard tape wasn't "originally designed" as a foregrip. But, we're splitting hairs. One really should send a letter to ATF technical branch (re: original question) and they may/may not send back a reply which would be useful in court.... Interesting Glock comment on the link....too bad the pics are red x's. I'd like to see the area behind the plate that was removed.... |
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Would skateboard tape on a magwell make it illegal?? No, you're simply enhancing the surface of an inherint and necessary part of the design.Since the OP even refers to it as a grip, and the fact it's an additional add-on, referred to as a GRIP, AND, it's obviously verticle in it's installation, I'd say not worth the potential assprobing or loss of rights, ect, ect. Don't go inviting the man into your life. |
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No...because skateboard tape wasn't "originally designed" as a foregrip. In the link, "originally designed" refers to the NFA pistol definition. 
As for writing letters to the ATF..... 
Such letters are commonly written by NFA types, prior to doing anything. (Based on what I read @ the Uzi board). For ordinary, non-NFA, no it's probably not a good idea. |
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Quoted: Quoted: may your chains rest lightly upon you..... Alternately, that could read: May your ignorant quest for pushing the envelope affect your family minimally? C'mon man...>Really? Or it could read ignorance makes you read shit that isnt there.  ETA: Do whatever makes you feel good. But do not later say someone took away your rights when you surrender to imaginary shit that isnt in the fucking rules. Theres your ignorant. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: may your chains rest lightly upon you..... Alternately, that could read: May your ignorant quest for pushing the envelope affect your family minimally? C'mon man...>Really? Or it could read ignorance makes you read shit that isnt there. ETA: Do whatever makes you feel good. But do not later say someone took away your rights when you surrender to imaginary shit that isnt in the fucking rules. Theres your ignorant. Right. And you'd steer a realitive newbie towards a grey area? You wanna be the next test case? Have at. Ignore the signs and keep trying to go over a bridge that's out. |
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Quoted: Right. And you'd steer a realitive newbie towards a grey area? You lie. Here are my exact words.... I steered him to the ATF website and the Pistol forum. My opinion is different from yours, fine. Name calling and lies arent necessary. You wanna be the next test case? Have at. Ignore the signs and keep trying to go over a bridge that's out. Ive never knowingly skirted gun laws and I dont intend on starting now, but Ive also never read shit that isnt there and put myself into bondage to imaginary rules. I read the law for myself and follow it. Its plain fucking English. Its neither forward nor vertical, both words straight out of the ATF FAQ. It appears to be a rubber version of skateboard tape which you rationalized legal- "enhancing the surface of an inherint and necessary part". Again- do what you want. If I wanted one I would buy it. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Right. And you'd steer a realitive newbie towards a grey area? You lie. Here are my exact words.... I steered him to the ATF website and the Pistol forum. My opinion is different from yours, fine. Name calling and lies arent necessary. You wanna be the next test case? Have at. Ignore the signs and keep trying to go over a bridge that's out. Ive never knowingly skirted gun laws and I dont intend on starting now, but Ive also never read shit that isnt there and put myself into bondage to imaginary rules. I read the law for myself and follow it. Its plain fucking English. Its neither forward nor vertical, both words straight out of the ATF FAQ. It appears to be arubber version of skateboard tape which you rationalized legal- "enhancing the surface of an inherint and necessary part". I Lie??????? By asking a question, and a rhetorical one at that? Better flush out your headgear. OK CV, that aside..................... now that you've insinuated that I'm some sort of sheeple, after calling me a liar, it's gloves off. Shoulda just laid out the pinko commie moonbat card while you're at it. First off lighten up regarding the IM. I sent the reply once, if it came thru 2 or 3 times, that's my connection acting up. You've known me long enough by now to know that I don't settle arguments made in the open behind closed doors. Neither Verticle, nor Forward? What kinda fucking clown routine are you running here? IT'S for sure one, if not BOTH. I can hear the trial testimony now: "A rubber version specifically molded and/or cast to be a GRIP...one that the jury can clearly see is verticle to the barrel, and to the front of the weapon's receiver, ladies and gentlemen of the jury, both of these facts make this an illegal enhancement to the firearm." Lastly, maybe you should lay off the name calling and lies yourself CV. So far, and completely out of character, I have not called you a single name, however, it's only gonna get you as far with me as your last pit thread got you with the rest of your perceived adversaries. |
Are we reading two different threads? You said I "steered him to a grey area". Thats not true by any stretch. I steered him, with link, directly to the FAQ of the ATF, and also to the pistol section. Once more... Again- do what you want. If I wanted one I would buy it. Funny how skateboard tape is ok with you but rubber is not.  |
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Quoted: Are we reading two different threads? You said I "steered him to a grey area". Thats not true by any stretch. I steered him, with link, directly to the FAQ of the ATF, and also to the pistol section. Ah, the problem is right there. You're taking it out of context, and away from the rhetorical meaning it contained in it's origional form. Here, try this....I wrote: Since the OP even refers to it as a grip, and the fact it's an additional add-on, referred to as a GRIP, AND, it's obviously verticle in it's installation, I'd say not worth the potential assprobing or loss of rights, ect, ect. Then your later reply seemed to adress it, "wraparound" = "vertical" ????   Quoted: Right. And you'd steer a realitive newbie towards a grey area?Quoted: Quoted: may your chains rest lightly upon you..... Alternately, that could read: May your ignorant quest for pushing the envelope affect your family minimally? C'mon man...>Really? Or it could read ignorance makes you read shit that isnt there. ETA: Do whatever makes you feel good. But do not later say someone took away your rights when you surrender to imaginary shit that isnt in the fucking rules. Theres your ignorant. You wanna be the next test case? Have at. Ignore the signs and keep trying to go over a bridge that's out. Lemme simplify that. You WOULDN'T push a newbie towards a grey area, if the ground was even one bit questionable, but this here, is not cut and dried. Once more... Again- do what you want. If I wanted one I would buy it. Funny how skateboard tape is ok with you but rubber is not. Just as funny that you can't see that the design is a far more substansive step towards a verticle grip than the simple addition of some tape? Or the fact that the product is a GRIP in NAME... Here's a question: Would it matter if the grip were added by someone building a pistol from a stripped receiver, that the individual is now the designer, using off the shelf components. Would adding such a grip *might* end you up in a jam. G'Night Mike... |
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First off lighten up regarding the IM. I sent the reply once, if it came thru 2 or 3 times, that's my connection acting up. Glitch in the matrix, GB has been made aware but refuses to acknowledge it's existence. 
You've known me long enough by now to know that I don't settle arguments made in the open behind closed doors.
I have seen you settle one through your back door. |