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1/23/2010 11:18:42 PM EDT
I collected on Tonfa_Sartan's Utah class PIF today. Here's my writeup:

http://www.libertynews.org/2010/01/24/utah-cfp-class/


Today I had the pleasure of spending 4 hours in a classroom with a few of my fellow GunBloggers — D.W.Drang from The ClueMeter, Phil and Scott from Random Nuclear Strikes and I attended Shawn Mahood’s Utah CFP Class. Utah is one of the most pro-2nd Amendment states in the country. They have worked hard to make their Concealed Firearm License accepted by as many states as possible (33 states recognize Utah resident permits, several of these will not honor a non-resident permit). The requirements for a non-resident Utah permit are that you need to take a class from an instructor certified by Utah, and be able to pass a background check. If you have a WA CPL then you should have no problems obtaining a Utah permit.

In the interest of full disclosure, no because the .gov tells me to but because its only fair to those reading, I won the chance to attend this class for free. I have attempted to make sure that did not affect my opinion of the class.

The class was held at the Federal Way Wholesale Sports location, we had about 12 people in the class with varying backgrounds. Several were former military, some were former cops and the rest were normal folks like me. Mr. Mahood was an excellent speaker, easy to understand, dynamic and interesting to listen to. The class covered a wide range of subjects from the 4 rules, to firearms nomenclature to detailed Utah laws covering the use of deadly force. The material could be a bit dry at times, but Shawn did an good job of holding my interest and I didn’t find myself looking at the clock once. We took breaks every hour and spent some time getting to know our fellow classmates, including one guy who was present at the Tacoma Mall shooting.

I highly recommend this class for anyone interested in being able to exercise their rights in as many states as possible. I plan on doing some camping next summer and this will come in handy for those western states that don’t recognize my Washington CPL. Shawn’s company is also running a NRA Basic Pistol and WA Concealed Carry Basics classes in February. Check his website for details.

Once you have completed the class and received the stamp on your application you have 1 year to submit it to Utah along with a passport photo, a fingerprint card, copy of your driver’s license and $65.25. They are supposed to process them within 60 days, but because of the popularity they are running at about 65 days or longer. Once you have your permit you can then legally carry in states that recognize non-resident Utah permits. You can use sites like Carry Concealed as a guide to which states recognize your new permit — but you really need to verify directly with the state, as well as familiarize yourself with that state’s laws. Internet sites are not always up to date. For example Nevada no longer recognizes the Utah permit, but Nebraska now does.

I tried to find something about the class to complain about. The only thing I can come up with is that it would have been nice to have some extra time for more ad-hoc discussions. I’d like to thank Shawn for the chance to take his class. I encourage you to tell your friends and family about this excellent resource that we have available to us.


Short version - excellent class, the time flew by. I recommend it for anyone planning on traveling outside Washington. It was also nice to run into DWDrang and his wife as well as Scott and Phil from Random Nuclear Strikes.


1/24/2010 6:45:28 AM EDT
[#1]
I'm taking it today, at the Lacey Warehouse Sports outlet, with a number of people from my workplace. I have been really looking forward to it. I figure you never know where you'll end up. It sucks about Nevada, though, since it would have let me carry during SHOT Shows–– and Oregon still needs its own permit too. More classes in my future––
1/24/2010 8:24:10 AM EDT
[#2]
Good class.  Remember that the course is aimed at a fairly basic level, and it would be easy for folks who know a lot about guns and shooting to either get bored, or start trying to spice up the class with their opinions and anecdotes.  (I know, from having taught Home Firearm Safety to guys from the WAHTF at WAC Shows.)



ETA:  There's talk of having a Nevada concealed carry class at the Gun Bloggers' Rendezvous this year.  All I have to do is convonce HH6 to let me go––it's over her birthday...

1/24/2010 9:27:01 AM EDT
[#3]
Is there somewhere to check for a schedule of where/when the classes are?
1/24/2010 2:59:41 PM EDT
[#4]
Obviously you didn't visit the blog post and click on all the link things

http://ncwguntraining.blogspot.com/
1/24/2010 4:50:34 PM EDT
[#5]
I just got back from the class, and I cannot tell you how much I enjoyed it. The four hours seemed to fly by, and Shawn's delivery was concise and informative (and occasionally very entertaining). Was also very pleased to discover that the certificate of completion will fill the classwork requirement for the Oregon permit as well–– I see a road trip south in the future. (Southeast, actually, the Law on the coast don't seem to like out-of-staters having permits much.) A lot was quite basic–– mechanics of the pistol and ammo types, etc.–– but the instructor has to assume that someone somewhere didn't get all of it on his own, and having things organized always helps how you view the Big Picture. It was money well spent, and I'll be doing more of their classes in the future. Thanks, Shawn, great job.
1/24/2010 5:33:32 PM EDT
[#6]
Quoted:
I just got back from the class, and I cannot tell you how much I enjoyed it. The four hours seemed to fly by, and Shawn's delivery was concise and informative (and occasionally very entertaining). Was also very pleased to discover that the certificate of completion will fill the classwork requirement for the Oregon permit as well–– I see a road trip south in the future. (Southeast, actually, the Law on the coast don't seem to like out-of-staters having permits much.) A lot was quite basic–– mechanics of the pistol and ammo types, etc.–– but the instructor has to assume that someone somewhere didn't get all of it on his own, and having things organized always helps how you view the Big Picture. It was money well spent, and I'll be doing more of their classes in the future. Thanks, Shawn, great job.


Yeah, he explained that Utah made the class cover the basics on purpose in an attempt to fulfill the requirements of as many states as possible. Their goal is to have a Utah permit accepted everywhere
1/24/2010 6:43:06 PM EDT
[#7]
I'll be taking the Utah Course next month, as I just got back from SHOT and had previous commitments for this weekend; thanks for the review guys! ... I’m looking forward to completing the course !  
1/24/2010 9:20:21 PM EDT
[#8]
Thanks for the kind words Guys,

This class is a bit basic, as has been said, that was done intentionally. The point of this permit is reciprocity and a lot of states require that you have a course to get their cooperation.

I've had everyone from first time firearms owners to former and current SF folks take the class. Even if you are as experienced as my group this afternoon and the folks on this forum are, it's always good to go back over the fundimentals every once in a while.

IM's enroute to those who asked about the next Utah Class. But as LibertyNews stated it is also on the side bar of my blog at http://ncwguntraining.blogspot.com