Warning

 

Close
Confirm Action

Are you sure you wish to do this?

Cancel Confirm
AR15.COM
10/13/2009 11:22:53 PM EDT
I know I'm a bit late to read the article but:


It’s a Fork, It’s a Spoon, It’s a ... Weapon?
By IAN URBINA
Published: October 11, 2009

NEWARK, Del. — Finding character witnesses when you are 6 years old is not easy. But there was Zachary Christie last week at a school disciplinary committee hearing with his karate instructor and his mother’s fiancé by his side to vouch for him.

Zachary’s offense? Taking a camping utensil that can serve as a knife, fork and spoon to school. He was so excited about recently joining the Cub Scouts that he wanted to use it at lunch. School officials concluded that he had violated their zero-tolerance policy on weapons, and Zachary was suspended and now faces 45 days in the district’s reform school.

“It just seems unfair,” Zachary said, pausing as he practiced writing lower-case letters with his mother, who is home-schooling him while the family tries to overturn his punishment.

Spurred in part by the Columbine and Virginia Tech shootings, many school districts around the country adopted zero-tolerance policies on the possession of weapons on school grounds. More recently, there has been growing debate over whether the policies have gone too far.

But, based on the code of conduct for the Christina School District, where Zachary is a first grader, school officials had no choice. They had to suspend him because, “regardless of possessor’s intent,” knives are banned.

But the question on the minds of residents here is: Why do school officials not have more discretion in such cases?

“Zachary wears a suit and tie some days to school by his own choice because he takes school so seriously,” said Debbie Christie, Zachary’s mother, who started a Web site, helpzachary.com, in hopes of recruiting supporters to pressure the local school board at its next open meeting on Tuesday. “He is not some sort of threat to his classmates.”

Still, some school administrators argue that it is difficult to distinguish innocent pranks and mistakes from more serious threats, and that the policies must be strict to protect students.

“There is no parent who wants to get a phone call where they hear that their child no longer has two good seeing eyes because there was a scuffle and someone pulled out a knife,” said George Evans, the president of the Christina district’s school board. He defended the decision, but added that the board might adjust the rules when it comes to younger children like Zachary.

Critics contend that zero-tolerance policies like those in the Christina district have led to sharp increases in suspensions and expulsions, often putting children on the streets or in other places where their behavior only worsens, and that the policies undermine the ability of school officials to use common sense in handling minor infractions.

For Delaware, Zachary’s case is especially frustrating because last year state lawmakers tried to make disciplinary rules more flexible by giving local boards authority to, “on a case-by-case basis, modify the terms of the expulsion.”

The law was introduced after a third-grade girl was expelled for a year because her grandmother had sent a birthday cake to school, along with a knife to cut it. The teacher called the principal — but not before using the knife to cut and serve the cake.

In Zachary’s case, the state’s new law did not help because it mentions only expulsion and does not explicitly address suspensions. A revised law is being drafted to include suspensions.

“We didn’t want our son becoming the poster child for this,” Ms. Christie said, “but this is out of control.”

In a letter to the district’s disciplinary committee, State Representative Teresa L. Schooley, Democrat of Newark, wrote, “I am asking each of you to consider the situation, get all the facts, find out about Zach and his family and then act with common sense for the well-being of this child.”

Education experts say that zero-tolerance policies initially allowed authorities more leeway in punishing students, but were applied in a discriminatory fashion. Many studies indicate that African-Americans were several times more likely to be suspended or expelled than other students for the same offenses.

“The result of those studies is that more school districts have removed discretion in applying the disciplinary policies to avoid criticism of being biased,” said Ronnie Casella, an associate professor of education at Central Connecticut State University who has written about school violence. He added that there is no evidence that zero-tolerance policies make schools safer.

Other school districts are also trying to address problems they say have stemmed in part from overly strict zero-tolerance policies.

In Baltimore, around 10,000 students, about 12 percent of the city’s enrollment, were suspended during the 2006-7 school year, mostly for disruption and insubordination, according to a report by the Open Society Institute-Baltimore. School officials there are rewriting the disciplinary code, to route students to counseling rather than suspension.

In Milwaukee, where school officials reported that 40 percent of ninth graders had been suspended at least once in the 2006-7 school year, the superintendent has encouraged teachers not to overreact to student misconduct.

“Something has to change,” said Dodi Herbert, whose 13-year old son, Kyle, was suspended in May and ordered to attend the Christina district’s reform school for 45 days after another student dropped a pocket knife in his lap. School officials declined to comment on the case for reasons of privacy.

Ms. Herbert, who said her son was a straight-A student, has since been home-schooling him instead of sending him to the reform school.

The Christina school district attracted similar controversy in 2007 when it expelled a seventh-grade girl who had used a utility knife to cut windows out of a paper house for a class project.

Charles P. Ewing, a professor of law and psychology at the University at Buffalo Law School who has written about school safety issues, said he favored a strict zero-tolerance approach.

“There are still serious threats every day in schools,” Dr. Ewing said, adding that giving school officials discretion holds the potential for discrimination and requires the kind of threat assessments that only law enforcement is equipped to make.

In the 2005-6 school year, 86 percent of public schools reported at least one violent crime, theft or other crime, according to the most recent federal survey.

And yet, federal studies by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and another by the Department of Justice show that the rate of school-related homicides and nonfatal violence has fallen over most of the past decade.

Educational experts say the decline is less a result of zero-tolerance policies than of other programs like peer mediation, student support groups and adult mentorships, as well as an overall decrease in all forms of crime.

For Zachary, it is not school violence that has left him reluctant to return to classes.

“I just think the other kids may tease me for being in trouble,” he said, pausing before adding, “but I think the rules are what is wrong, not me.”


http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/12/education/12discipline.html?_r=1

I guess it's too much to ask that schools use common sense when determining punishments, or that individuals be capable of recognizing threats without a police officer around to tell them what's safe.

Even a 6 year old can see it's the policy that's retarded.
10/13/2009 11:33:44 PM EDT
[#1]
This is where the parents have to take a stand. I wanna meet the motherfucker who would stick my kid in reform school for posessing an eating utensil.
Oh....Wait... never mind...I don't have kids. But if I did...
10/13/2009 11:33:46 PM EDT
[#2]
Zero tolerance is crap.



Stating that only police have the skills to apply discretion is also crap.



Discretion means using common sense.. treating Zach with his cub scout tool the same as Jamal packin' his shank is a little over the top

10/13/2009 11:39:54 PM EDT
[#3]



Quoted:


Zero tolerance is crap.



Stating that only police have the skills to apply discretion is also crap.



Discretion means using common sense.. treating Zach with his cub scout tool the same as Jamal packin' his shank is a little over the top


But Jamal could be an Eagle Scout...
....



I have to agree, you have to look at the intent of the tool/weapon. If you have it in your car in your go bag then it's not a weapon it's a tool.



There have been times I've been asked if I have weapons on me, I'll say no. Even though you can clearly see them if you look at my pockets... When asked about them I say, they aren't weapons they are tools.



Because for all intents and purposes I can stab someone easier with a pen/pencil then i can with a knife, a knife means that people freak out when they see it, a pencil or a pen no one sees coming.



Actually better yet we need to get rid of chairs, baseball/softball bats, laces, shoes, belts, watches, rings necklaces, hardcover books, etc etc...



I can go into any school in this country and find a weapon in any corner according to their logic. So better yet why don't we just do away with schools if people are so afraid that their kids are going to cause so much havoc?



If only parents would enforce more discipline and morals to their kids we wouldn't have bullshit laws like this one. I give props to the young man for taking his eating utensil set to school. I did the same thing when i got my first pocket knife, didn't even get in trouble.



 
10/14/2009 1:23:57 AM EDT
[#4]
Remember the 13 year old girl who was strip searched for allegedly having ibuprofen?  Draconian Zero Tolerance laws have never made much sense to me.
10/14/2009 4:22:43 AM EDT
[#5]
My kid was "emergency expelled" for having a knife at high school.  His Boy Scout troop was selling Christmas trees after school, and he used it for cutting twine to tie to cars.

Had to meet with the school dist head honcho, and he was "allowed" to return after 3 days.
10/14/2009 5:07:18 AM EDT
[#6]
This just seems so fitting in this case






"Our Country won't go on forever, if we stay soft as we are now. There won't


be any AMERICA because some foreign soldiery will invade us and take our



women and breed a hardier race!"



-Lt. Gen. Lewis B. "Chesty" Puller, USMC


10/14/2009 6:40:36 AM EDT
[#7]
Zero Tolerance breeds mind-numbed robots.

"I vas just followink the rules!"

10/14/2009 7:02:10 AM EDT
[#8]
Six Year Old Cub Scout Gets Reprieve
Since he's so young, Zachary Christie is getting a break on his suspension after he brought his Cub Scout army knife to school. He may be allowed back in class today.
Posted: 11:14 PM Oct 13, 2009

http://www.wibw.com/nationalnews/headlines/64189002.html

NEWARK, Delaware –– Dressed in a button-down shirt and tie and speaking calmly and articulately, first-grader Zachary Christie hardly looks or acts like the sort of kid who should be spending 45 days in reform school. But, thanks to a zero-tolerance policy, that’s where Zachary’s Delaware school system wanted him to go after he made the mistake of taking his favorite camping utensil to school.

However, on Tuesday night the school board made a hasty change to its code of conduct. The seven-member board voted unanimously to reduce the punishment for kindergartners and first-graders who bring weapons to school or commit other violent offenses to a suspension ranging from three to five days. Now, he could return to school today.

"I want to get him back as soon as possible. I want to put this behind him as soon as possible," said Debbie Christie, Zachary's mother. "But I also want him to know that he has a voice, and when things are not right, he can stand up and speak out against them."

Christie thanked the school board for acting quickly but said it was only the first step toward a necessary overhaul of the school system's code of conduct. A spokeswoman for the school district said more changes were possible in the coming months.

School board member John Mackenzie said he was surprised school officials did not use common sense and disregard the policy in Zachary's case. The need for common sense to prevail over the letter of the law was a recurring theme among the boy's supporters and school safety experts.

"When that common sense is missing, it sends a message of inconsistency to students, which actually creates a less safe environment," said Kenneth S. Trump, president of National School Safety and Security Services, a consulting firm. "People have to understand that assessing on a case-by-case basis doesn't automatically equate to being soft or unsafe."

Not everyone believed the school district was out of line.

Jennifer Jankowski, who runs the special education programs at Jennie Smith Elementary in Newark, said schools need to be vigilant about protecting students. If Zachary or another student had been hurt by the knife, she said, the district would have taken the blame.

"If we can't punish him, then what about kids that did bring (a weapon) for bad things?" Jankowski said. "There's more to the school's side than just us being mean and not taking this child's interests into account."

The Swiss Army-type combination of fork, spoon, bottle opener and knife, the tool has been Zachary’s favorite ever since he got it to take on Cub Scout camping expeditions. “He eats dinner with it, breakfast and everything else, so it never occurred to him that this would have been something wrong to do,” according to the 6-year-old’s mother.

Zachary, an A student who sometimes wears a shirt and tie to school because he likes to, and put the tool in his pocket on Sept. 29th for a very simple reason: “To eat lunch with. I had absolutely no idea this was going to happen. I wasn’t thinking about this. I was thinking about having lunch with it.”

But when the tool fell out of his pocket on the bus and he walked off the vehicle with it in his hand, a teacher intercepted him. “She said, ‘Can I have that?’ ” Zachary recalled.

What Zachary didn’t realize was that he had fallen afoul of the Christina School District’s zero-tolerance policy toward weapons in school, one of many such policies implemented in the wake of such incidents as the Columbine High School massacre. The policy did not allow teachers or administrators to take into account intentions or the character of the student; if a student has a knife, suspension and subsequent assignment to the district’s reform school — is mandatory.
10/14/2009 7:11:15 AM EDT
[#9]
When on the school board I always took the stance against zero tolerance rules.  Allow people to think.
10/14/2009 7:22:04 AM EDT
[#10]
My son, Clint, was booted from junior high once, same deal. He found a utility knife in the parking lot. He was gonna turn it in, but ran out of time. So, knowing he couldn't have it around, he put it in his locker till lunch. Someone saw it and away it went.School VP, aka Racist, Selfserving Bitch, called him a threat to the peace and serenity of the school. Away he went. Public schools are the breeding grounds of stupidity.
10/14/2009 7:24:28 AM EDT
[#11]
This is right up here with the Eagle Scout who received a 20 day suspension for a 2" knife locked in the emergency kit in his car.

Link

10/14/2009 7:32:23 AM EDT
[#12]
this is why i home school . home school is a flaming  mother f'er of a schedule too keep, this crap makes it worth it.
10/14/2009 10:36:59 AM EDT
[#13]
Quoted:
I can go into any school in this country and find a weapon in any corner according to their logic.


My thoughts exactly. Zero Tolerance policies are impossible to enforce unless the administration wants to ban every tangible item on school property. And then, how effective would the teachers be?
10/14/2009 10:44:03 AM EDT
[#14]
In metal shop we had: ____________ (fill in the blank)
In wood shop we had: ____________ (fill in the blank)

Do you know what damage you can do with a sharp No.2 pencil?
An ink pen has a hard pointed tip.

Idiots.


10/14/2009 11:57:30 AM EDT
[#15]
Quoted:
In metal shop we had: ____________ (fill in the blank)
In wood shop we had: ____________ (fill in the blank)

Do you know what damage you can do with a sharp No.2 pencil?
An ink pen has a hard pointed tip.

Idiots.




SHHHHH OPSEC!

before long, they will be writing essays with these
10/14/2009 11:59:28 AM EDT
[#16]



Quoted:


In metal shop we had: ____________ (fill in the blank)

In wood shop we had: ____________ (fill in the blank)



Do you know what damage you can do with a sharp No.2 pencil?

An ink pen has a hard pointed tip.



Idiots.






Did you know I can take a soda can, shave the top off on a concrete floor and now I have a perfectly round shank... Stab someone in the chest with that and it leaves a nice bleeding circle wound. With a pen or a number two pencil i can stab someone in the eyeball and if I push hard enough get it into their brain.



The whole concept of being "safe" in a school is relative to what the threat is. Hell firedrills, I can take a small bomb and set it up in the firedrill area and kill a shit ton of people a lot easier then I can by bringing a gun to school, why? because during a firedrill everyone is taken to a specific spot so that they can account for everybody.



When i was in highschool I wrote a paper about this during out CPEW class, the class project was "If the school is a small country, how would you take over it and change the government of it, if your attempt to take over the government failed how would you resist or go against that government." Well the people in charge of doing the whole revolt thing failed and left the rest of the group to figure out how to resist/revolt... I then proceeded to write how we would pay back the populous for betraying the cause and siding with the government. The easiest solution was to take a fanatic to the cause, strap a bomb to him and pull a fire alarm. At the same time I submitted that same paper to the school administrators, the next day i was sitting in his office with some guy from the US embassy across from me cause they were "experts" in the field trying to reassure me that something like that couldn't happen.



Zero Tolerance makes people complacent, and complacency kills.





 
10/14/2009 2:14:11 PM EDT
[#17]
I gave up on the school system having smarts when they suspended a kid for bringing a 1" long GIJoe gun to school, about 15 years ago.

Well, it wasn't just the one incident....more like my entire life I've read of this stupid shit. This is just the most recent.



















...And this has to do with WA how?

10/14/2009 4:32:39 PM EDT
[#18]
THAT IS SOME FULL-RETARD SHIT RIGHT THERE.

OUR SCHOOLS ARE RUN BY INCOMPETENT USELESS FUCKS
.
10/14/2009 9:07:03 PM EDT
[#19]
Quoted:
...And this has to do with WA how?



Because it's a problem in public education everywhere.
10/15/2009 9:30:37 AM EDT
[#20]
My older son was expelled for taking his leatherman to school when he was in the 3rd grade. We didn't get this sort of press though.
10/15/2009 9:38:44 AM EDT
[#21]
Quoted:
this is why i home school . home school is a flaming  mother f'er of a schedule too keep, this crap makes it worth it.


This..................................in another year or so.
10/15/2009 11:15:44 AM EDT
[#22]
I used to carry a 5" pocket knife in a sheath on my belt to middle school. The school had a zero tolerance policy, but whenever questioned about it, I gave a whole speel about how open carrying a knife was legal, but oncealed carry was not. I guess they just trusted I knew the law because I never got in trouble for it.
10/16/2009 5:48:43 PM EDT
[#23]
The NAZIS had "ZERO-TOLERANCE" too!

For that matter they had "Flair" as well, that they made the Jews wear.....

––tW