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3/11/2009 4:58:00 PM EDT
I learned:

#1 ABS brakes are not always helpful

#2 Having a 5000 pound vehicle is helpful  (broke my license plate frame and destroyed the back end of the other car)


No tickets were issued.




3/11/2009 5:06:00 PM EDT
[#1]
I'm hoping they did something stupid and not you...

No ticket is always a good thing.  
3/11/2009 5:11:53 PM EDT
[#2]
No ticket yet. They mailed me and 2 other guys behind me the ticket. Bastards.

I hope your county does ticket for car accidents
3/11/2009 5:35:31 PM EDT
[#3]
It was a 3 car deal...  Crosswalk "jumper" walks without looking, car brakes hard, next car almost hits car one, I was car 3

My fault, yes.  But the LEO says he's had it the car salesmen who keep jumping into the crosswalk.  Said there was plenty of contributing factors, so no ticket.

I had plenty of time to stop if my ABS hadn't kicked in.


3/11/2009 5:41:10 PM EDT
[#4]
Hard braking and a bupm in the road = reduced braking power. I feel ya, my truck pulls that trick on me sometimes.
Glad you had the law of superror mass on your side. How would you like a Geo Metro?
3/11/2009 6:00:11 PM EDT
[#5]
Quoted:
Hard braking and a bupm in the road = reduced braking power. I feel ya, my truck pulls that trick on me sometimes.
Glad you had the law of superror mass on your side. How would you like a Geo Metro?



Yeah, the ABS is great in ice and snow, but on dry pavement it should be disabled.  There was no way I could have locked up my wheels. The mass worked for me and against me.




3/11/2009 6:11:31 PM EDT
[#6]
I don't like it in the ice and snow either. It engages too easiy reducing stopping power. Maybe mine's not working properly.
3/11/2009 7:05:57 PM EDT
[#7]
Mine has got me in trouble several times. Hit the brakes to hard
on a wet road and it just releases all the brakes. Need to learn
to take my foot off to let it reset. Instead I keep trying to bend the brake pedal.


DAMN ABS , I can stop better without them.
3/11/2009 7:07:28 PM EDT
[#8]
Glad your cars is pretty much okay!

I also hate ABS brakes.
3/11/2009 7:24:29 PM EDT
[#9]
Quoted:
Yeah, the ABS is great in ice and snow





3/11/2009 9:48:35 PM EDT
[#10]
Happy to hear your not going to get a ticket.

What I hate was the traction control system of my car.. it senses slipping and reduces power.. even if I'm holding the damn petal to the floor.  Was trying to climb up a small hill in the snow.. and damn thing turns on and I'm sliding backwards.  Had to keep rotating the wheels left and right.. and move like 2 ft per minute until it could get traction again.  Haven't figured out how to override that yet.
3/12/2009 6:06:37 AM EDT
[#11]
I have ABS on my truck....never caused me any problem when driving on snow and ice.....always worked as advertised....of course I don't drive on snow and ice like I drive on dry pavement either.   If you rear ended someone...you were following to closely.....put the blame where it belongs instead of on the equipment.
3/12/2009 6:25:59 AM EDT
[#12]
I unplugged the ABS Pump in my truck 5 years ago.  Haven't missed it.
3/12/2009 9:04:49 AM EDT
[#13]
It's not all it's cracked up to be.....  The only thing it's good for is if you have time, and room to avoid the thing in front of you....
3/12/2009 9:10:40 AM EDT
[#14]
Quoted:


No tickets were issued.






ETA:  read the rest of the thread and figured it out.
ETA 2:  ABS wont kick in immediately unless you crush the pedal.  Believe it or not, most people dont hit thier brakes hard enough to activate it.  One of the first things I learned going through racing school at PR.



3/12/2009 9:18:58 AM EDT
[#15]
Quoted:
... ABS wont kick in immediately unless you crush the pedal.  



I think this was the problem... I crushed the pedal.  The ABS kicked in immediately.


As noted, it was still my fault, but I would have actually stopped without the ABS.


3/13/2009 5:11:44 AM EDT
[#16]
How so?...the ABS kept you from locking up......once you're in a skid,  that's all there is....and the only way out is let up off the brakes.
3/13/2009 5:12:59 AM EDT
[#17]
Quoted:
I unplugged the ABS Pump in my truck 5 years ago.  Haven't missed it.


You get in an accident with that disconnected and the adjuster sees it.............you're gonna get raped.
3/13/2009 5:35:25 AM EDT
[#18]
Quoted:
How so?...the ABS kept you from locking up......once you're in a skid,  that's all there is....and the only way out is let up off the brakes.


Once you lock them up, you start slipping between the road and the tire, not the brake pad and the rotor, or shoe and drum and the pressure relief solenoids will start popping when it detects slippage at a particular wheel. The trade off for that last little bit of brakng is directional control, wheels that are rotating are steerable.

I always thought if your following at a legal distance, the fruit loop in front of you could do anything they want and you wont hit them and if you hit them, its just about automatically your fault.
3/13/2009 5:59:32 AM EDT
[#19]
Quoted:
How so?...the ABS kept you from locking up......once you're in a skid,  that's all there is....and the only way out is let up off the brakes.


I 'd bet you have more slowing power in a skid than teh ABS gives you. Steerabiity is another issue though.

3/13/2009 6:14:20 AM EDT
[#20]
That's the hook...in a skid you have no maneuverability.
3/13/2009 6:31:02 AM EDT
[#21]
Quoted:
Quoted:
How so?...the ABS kept you from locking up......once you're in a skid,  that's all there is....and the only way out is let up off the brakes.


Once you lock them up, you start slipping between the road and the tire, not the brake pad and the rotor, or shoe and drum and the pressure relief solenoids will start popping when it detects slippage at a particular wheel. The trade off for that last little bit of brakng is directional control, wheels that are rotating are steerable.

I always thought if your following at a legal distance, the fruit loop in front of you could do anything they want and you wont hit them and if you hit them, its just about automatically your fault.


A legal distance isn't always enough and sometimes shit happens. Overall I'd have to say ABS brakes that are working right are a good thing, but their quality seems to vary greatly between manufacturers.