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7/9/2008 9:35:00 AM EDT
Any links/info for the proper forms? TIA.
7/9/2008 9:37:33 AM EDT
[#1]
Form 4 (5320.4) (PDF)
7/9/2008 10:09:22 AM EDT
[#2]
Thanks Phil.
Any suggestions on an FFL/Class III  dealer?
I had a card from a dealer at the WAC show, but misplaced it.
7/9/2008 10:09:38 AM EDT
[#3]
Will an LLC work as well as a trust?
7/9/2008 10:11:49 AM EDT
[#4]
Some rudimentary searching today mentioned a corp. for a "machine gun". Don't know about other Class III stuff.
7/9/2008 10:16:17 AM EDT
[#5]
I understand Wades has all the paperwork set up in a handy little packet.
7/9/2008 10:27:39 AM EDT
[#6]
Would "I am a potential target of kidnap and extortion because of my employment" be a suitable reason?
7/9/2008 10:31:16 AM EDT
[#7]

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Will an LLC work as well as a trust?


Yes

Link to the Archive from the Washington Hometown Forum Links and Help Page- How to legally own a Silencer in Washington State!
7/9/2008 10:35:27 AM EDT
[#8]
Discount gun sales (DGS) they have all of he paperwork and will assist you in filling it out. DSG has several locations in Washington state.
7/9/2008 12:53:06 PM EDT
[#9]
If your in the Everett area you can use Paine Field instruments. Bob is a good guy. carries AAC and Gemtech. 425-353-8611. He'll help with paper work also

shop around,  prices can vary alot. Check out some of the internet dealers too.
Bob charges $50. transfer fee for incoming transfers from other dealers for cans.
7/9/2008 1:04:44 PM EDT
[#10]
I want a silencer.  Can anyone donate to my "buy moxi a silencer" fund?
7/9/2008 1:11:18 PM EDT
[#11]
Sure, have change for a button?
7/9/2008 2:43:31 PM EDT
[#12]

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Sure, have change for a button?


I'm interested in some of that action.  Do you take rubber bands and paperclips or just other buttons?
7/9/2008 3:44:35 PM EDT
[#13]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Sure, have change for a button?


I'm interested in some of that action.  Do you take rubber bands and paperclips or just other buttons?


If you'll pay shipping, I have three post it notes and a broken pencil to donate
7/9/2008 3:51:20 PM EDT
[#14]
what is the law in terms of actually using it , If I have it, I cant screw it to a threaded barrel firearm and use it even thought I legally one it? by all means can someone set me straight?
7/9/2008 3:58:43 PM EDT
[#15]

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what is the law in terms of actually using it , If I have it, I cant screw it to a threaded barrel firearm and use it even thought I legally one it? by all means can someone set me straight?



You can attach it just don't shoot with it attached.



RCW 9.41.250
Dangerous weapons -- Penalty -- Exemption for law enforcement officers.

(1) Every person who:

    (a) Manufactures, sells, or disposes of or possesses any instrument or weapon of the kind usually known as slung shot, sand club, or metal knuckles, or spring blade knife, or any knife the blade of which is automatically released by a spring mechanism or other mechanical device, or any knife having a blade which opens, or falls, or is ejected into position by the force of gravity, or by an outward, downward, or centrifugal thrust or movement;

    (b) Furtively carries with intent to conceal any dagger, dirk, pistol, or other dangerous weapon; or

    (c) Uses any contrivance or device for suppressing the noise of any firearm,

is guilty of a gross misdemeanor punishable under chapter 9A.20 RCW.

    (2) Subsection (1)(a) of this section does not apply to:

    (a) The possession of a spring blade knife by a law enforcement officer while the officer:

    (i) Is on official duty; or

    (ii) Is transporting the knife to or from the place where the knife is stored when the officer is not on official duty; or

    (b) The storage of a spring blade knife by a law enforcement officer.





AGO 1988 No. 16 - August 30, 1988

CRIMES ‑- FIREARMS

It is not unlawful under RCW 9.41.250 to merely possess a device for suppressing the noise of a firearm.

                                                             - - - - - - - - - - - - -

                                                                August 30, 1988

Honorable Kent Pullen
State Senator, 47th District
Institutions Building
Olympia, Washington 98504

Cite as:  AGO 1988 No. 16                                                                                                                

Dear Senator Pullen:

            By letter previously acknowledged, you have asked for our opinion on a question we have paraphrased as follows:

           Is it unlawful under RCW 9.41.250 to possess a device for suppressing the noise of a firearm?

            We answer your question in the negative for the reasons set forth in our analysis.

                                                                     ANALYSIS

            RCW 9.41.250, the provision about which you have inquired, provides:

            Every person who shall manufacture, sell or dispose of or have in his possession any instrument or weapon of the kind usually known as slung shot, sand club, or metal knuckles, or spring blade knife, or any knife the blade of which is automatically released by a spring mechanism or other mechanical device, or any knife having a blade which opens, or falls, or is ejected into position by the force of gravity, or by an outward, downward, or centrifugal thrust or movement; who shall furtively carry with intent to conceal any dagger, dirk, pistol, or other dangerous weapon; or who shall use any contrivance or device for suppressing the noise of any firearm, shall be guilty of a gross misdemeanor.

(Emphasis added.)

             [[Orig. Op. Page 2]]

            In essence, your question is concerned with whether the term "use" in the underscored language of RCW 9.41.250 includes mere possession of a noise suppression device.  Absent a statutory definition, words in a statute are to be given their ordinary meaning.  Davis v. Department of Empl. Sec., 108 Wn.2d 272, 737 P.2d 1262 (1987).  The ordinary meaning of the term "use" is to put a thing into service or action.  Webster's Third New International Dictionary, 2523-2524 (1981).  Thus, the use of a device for suppressing the noise of a firearm contemplates employing that device or putting it into service.  Although use of such a device may be incident to possession, use is quite different from simply possessing the device or exercising control over it.

            In our opinion, the language of RCW 9.41.250 about which you have inquired is unambiguous.  It does not prohibit mere possession of a device to suppress the noise of a firearm.

            Even if the term "use" in RCW 9.41.250 were ambiguous, rules of statutory construction would dictate against interpreting the term to include mere possession.  First, RCW 9.41.250 is a criminal statute.  Where two reasonable constructions of a criminal statute are possible, a court is required to adopt the interpretation most favorable to a person accused of violating the statute.  State v. Gore, 101 Wn.2d 481, 681 P.2d 227 (1984).  Here, of course, that would be an interpretation excluding mere possession.  Second, where the Legislature employs certain language in one part of a statute and different language in another part, a difference in legislative intent is indicated.United Parcel Serv., Inc. v. Department of Rev., 102 Wn.2d 355, 687 P.2d 186 (1984).  The Legislature has employed the term "possession" in RCW 9.41.250 and thereby has made mere possession of certain weapons a misdemeanor.  The Legislature did not employ that same term with reference to noise suppression devices.  According to this rule of construction, the Legislature's failure to do so indicates that is did not intend "use" to include mere possession.

            We trust that the foregoing will be of assistance to you.

Sincerely,
KENNETH O. EIKENBERRY
Attorney General

MAUREEN HART
Sr. Assistant Attorney General


7/9/2008 4:57:23 PM EDT
[#16]
What suppressor did you buy?
7/9/2008 5:09:29 PM EDT
[#17]

Quoted:

Quoted:

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Sure, have change for a button?


I'm interested in some of that action.  Do you take rubber bands and paperclips or just other buttons?


If you'll pay shipping, I have three post it notes and a broken pencil to donate


I can match that and I raise it a fancy staple paper clip



As for the can, I second DGS they have all the info and what not.
7/9/2008 6:03:54 PM EDT
[#18]
last time I was in DGS, the sign said they'd do the trust for free if you want to buy that kinda stuff.
7/9/2008 6:17:05 PM EDT
[#19]
Ha! My old username is on that thread!
7/10/2008 12:24:59 PM EDT
[#20]

Quoted:

Quoted:
what is the law in terms of actually using it , If I have it, I cant screw it to a threaded barrel firearm and use it even thought I legally one it? by all means can someone set me straight?



You can attach it just don't shoot with it attached.



RCW 9.41.250
Dangerous weapons -- Penalty -- Exemption for law enforcement officers.

(1) Every person who:

    (a) Manufactures, sells, or disposes of or possesses any instrument or weapon of the kind usually known as slung shot, sand club, or metal knuckles, or spring blade knife, or any knife the blade of which is automatically released by a spring mechanism or other mechanical device, or any knife having a blade which opens, or falls, or is ejected into position by the force of gravity, or by an outward, downward, or centrifugal thrust or movement;

    (b) Furtively carries with intent to conceal any dagger, dirk, pistol, or other dangerous weapon; or

    (c) Uses any contrivance or device for suppressing the noise of any firearm,

is guilty of a gross misdemeanor punishable under chapter 9A.20 RCW.

    (2) Subsection (1)(a) of this section does not apply to:

    (a) The possession of a spring blade knife by a law enforcement officer while the officer:

    (i) Is on official duty; or

    (ii) Is transporting the knife to or from the place where the knife is stored when the officer is not on official duty; or

    (b) The storage of a spring blade knife by a law enforcement officer.





AGO 1988 No. 16 - August 30, 1988

CRIMES ‑- FIREARMS

It is not unlawful under RCW 9.41.250 to merely possess a device for suppressing the noise of a firearm.

                                                             - - - - - - - - - - - - -

                                                                August 30, 1988

Honorable Kent Pullen
State Senator, 47th District
Institutions Building
Olympia, Washington 98504

Cite as:  AGO 1988 No. 16                                                                                                                

Dear Senator Pullen:

            By letter previously acknowledged, you have asked for our opinion on a question we have paraphrased as follows:

           Is it unlawful under RCW 9.41.250 to possess a device for suppressing the noise of a firearm?

            We answer your question in the negative for the reasons set forth in our analysis.

                                                                     ANALYSIS

            RCW 9.41.250, the provision about which you have inquired, provides:

            Every person who shall manufacture, sell or dispose of or have in his possession any instrument or weapon of the kind usually known as slung shot, sand club, or metal knuckles, or spring blade knife, or any knife the blade of which is automatically released by a spring mechanism or other mechanical device, or any knife having a blade which opens, or falls, or is ejected into position by the force of gravity, or by an outward, downward, or centrifugal thrust or movement; who shall furtively carry with intent to conceal any dagger, dirk, pistol, or other dangerous weapon; or who shall use any contrivance or device for suppressing the noise of any firearm, shall be guilty of a gross misdemeanor.

(Emphasis added.)

             [[Orig. Op. Page 2]]

            In essence, your question is concerned with whether the term "use" in the underscored language of RCW 9.41.250 includes mere possession of a noise suppression device.  Absent a statutory definition, words in a statute are to be given their ordinary meaning.  Davis v. Department of Empl. Sec., 108 Wn.2d 272, 737 P.2d 1262 (1987).  The ordinary meaning of the term "use" is to put a thing into service or action.  Webster's Third New International Dictionary, 2523-2524 (1981).  Thus, the use of a device for suppressing the noise of a firearm contemplates employing that device or putting it into service.  Although use of such a device may be incident to possession, use is quite different from simply possessing the device or exercising control over it.

            In our opinion, the language of RCW 9.41.250 about which you have inquired is unambiguous.  It does not prohibit mere possession of a device to suppress the noise of a firearm.

            Even if the term "use" in RCW 9.41.250 were ambiguous, rules of statutory construction would dictate against interpreting the term to include mere possession.  First, RCW 9.41.250 is a criminal statute.  Where two reasonable constructions of a criminal statute are possible, a court is required to adopt the interpretation most favorable to a person accused of violating the statute.  State v. Gore, 101 Wn.2d 481, 681 P.2d 227 (1984).  Here, of course, that would be an interpretation excluding mere possession.  Second, where the Legislature employs certain language in one part of a statute and different language in another part, a difference in legislative intent is indicated.United Parcel Serv., Inc. v. Department of Rev., 102 Wn.2d 355, 687 P.2d 186 (1984).  The Legislature has employed the term "possession" in RCW 9.41.250 and thereby has made mere possession of certain weapons a misdemeanor.  The Legislature did not employ that same term with reference to noise suppression devices.  According to this rule of construction, the Legislature's failure to do so indicates that is did not intend "use" to include mere possession.

            We trust that the foregoing will be of assistance to you.

Sincerely,
KENNETH O. EIKENBERRY
Attorney General

MAUREEN HART
Sr. Assistant Attorney General




My head just EXPLODED!

Just as there are Concealed Carry statutes that trump (1) (b) [Furtively carries with intent to conceal any dagger, dirk, pistol, or other dangerous weapon], are there statutes trumping "use" of a legally possesed suppressor?

7/10/2008 12:32:46 PM EDT
[#21]

Quoted:

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Sure, have change for a button?


I'm interested in some of that action.  Do you take rubber bands and paperclips or just other buttons?


If you'll pay shipping, I have three post it notes and a broken pencil to donate


I can match that and I raise it a fancy staple paper clip



I have some pocket lint, a chewed up BIC pen (blue), a broken shoelace, and some blaze orange yarn.
7/10/2008 12:38:08 PM EDT
[#22]

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My head just EXPLODED!

Just as there are Concealed Carry statutes that trump (1) (b) [Furtively carries with intent to conceal any dagger, dirk, pistol, or other dangerous weapon], are there statutes trumping "use" of a legally possesed suppressor?



No what we have is an AGs interpretation of a poorly written law.  A law that was intended to, and until questioned I assume did,  ban suppressors.

7/10/2008 12:55:59 PM EDT
[#23]

Quoted:

Quoted:
what is the law in terms of actually using it , If I have it, I cant screw it to a threaded barrel firearm and use it even thought I legally one it? by all means can someone set me straight?



You can attach it just don't shoot with it attached.



RCW 9.41.250
Dangerous weapons -- Penalty -- Exemption for law enforcement officers.

(1) Every person who:

    (a) Manufactures, sells, or disposes of or possesses any instrument or weapon of the kind usually known as slung shot, sand club, or metal knuckles, or spring blade knife, or any knife the blade of which is automatically released by a spring mechanism or other mechanical device, or any knife having a blade which opens, or falls, or is ejected into position by the force of gravity, or by an outward, downward, or centrifugal thrust or movement;

    (b) Furtively carries with intent to conceal any dagger, dirk, pistol, or other dangerous weapon; or

    (c) Uses any contrivance or device for suppressing the noise of any firearm,

is guilty of a gross misdemeanor punishable under chapter 9A.20 RCW.

    (2) Subsection (1)(a) of this section does not apply to:

    (a) The possession of a spring blade knife by a law enforcement officer while the officer:

    (i) Is on official duty; or

    (ii) Is transporting the knife to or from the place where the knife is stored when the officer is not on official duty; or

    (b) The storage of a spring blade knife by a law enforcement officer.




Interesting. The way that RCW reads, not even LEO's can use supressors.
7/10/2008 12:57:30 PM EDT
[#24]

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Interesting. The way that RCW reads, not even LEO's can use supressors.


Then you are reading it correctly.  
7/10/2008 3:28:18 PM EDT
[#25]

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Sure, have change for a button?


I'm interested in some of that action.  Do you take rubber bands and paperclips or just other buttons?


If you'll pay shipping, I have three post it notes and a broken pencil to donate


I can match that and I raise it a fancy staple paper clip



I have some pocket lint, a chewed up BIC pen (blue), a broken shoelace, and some blaze orange yarn.


I'll take the lint, pen, and yarn!  Will you take my wife in trade?