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5/13/2007 8:50:17 PM EDT
This is unbelievable.

5/13/2007 9:32:13 PM EDT
[#1]
They should just put a bullet in the fucker that would do some like that to a 91 year old man.
He has no place in our society.
5/13/2007 9:35:08 PM EDT
[#2]

Quoted:
They should just put a bullet in the fucker that would do some like that to a 91 year old man.
He has no place in our society.


Id like to put thirty in him.
5/13/2007 9:43:00 PM EDT
[#3]
-no comment-
5/13/2007 10:21:10 PM EDT
[#4]

Quoted:

Quoted:
They should just put a bullet in the fucker that would do some like that to a 91 year old man.
He has no place in our society.


Id like to put thirty in him.


And during a time where ammo is pretty high in cost, and hard to come by...


I just have no argument against that logic.
5/13/2007 10:45:58 PM EDT
[#5]
Just for reference, in regards to law. If you were one of the onlookers, could you use lethal force to stop his actions?

Or tech. do you have to tell him to stop?

If something was happening that quick, could you run up on him, and put one in his head, and be within the law?

Honest question, might be in that position one day, and no way will I watch somene from the sideline be beaten for no reason...
5/13/2007 10:59:22 PM EDT
[#6]

Quoted:
Just for reference, in regards to law. If you were one of the onlookers, could you use lethal force to stop his actions?

Or tech. do you have to tell him to stop?

If something was happening that quick, could you run up on him, and put one in his head, and be within the law?

Honest question, might be in that position one day, and no way will I watch somene from the sideline be beaten for no reason...


I would have a hard time not doing something.

5/13/2007 11:14:30 PM EDT
[#7]

Quoted:
Just for reference, in regards to law. If you were one of the onlookers, could you use lethal force to stop his actions?

Or tech. do you have to tell him to stop?

If something was happening that quick, could you run up on him, and put one in his head, and be within the law?

Honest question, might be in that position one day, and no way will I watch somene from the sideline be beaten for no reason...


When its someting like this, you have to do the right thing.  The feeling of being a coward would be as bad as getting fucked by the .gov  If they locked me up later I would blame training, PTSD or some shit.
5/14/2007 12:25:21 AM EDT
[#8]

Quoted:
Just for reference, in regards to law. If you were one of the onlookers, could you use lethal force to stop his actions?

Or tech. do you have to tell him to stop?

If something was happening that quick, could you run up on him, and put one in his head, and be within the law?

Honest question, might be in that position one day, and no way will I watch somene from the sideline be beaten for no reason...

It depends on where you are, but generally, yes, you can use the level of force necessary to protect the lives of others as well as your own.  If you are licensed to carry--or in a jurisdiction/environment where no permit is needed--you can use deadly force.  You should be prepared to defend the decision to do so in court, of course.

Disclaimer:  I am neither a lawyer nor a law enforcement officer.  You are responsible for your own decisions, regardless of what your mother, therapist or spiritual adviser may say to the contrary.
5/14/2007 6:08:12 AM EDT
[#9]
I saw that video a few days ago....and still want to stomp that trolls ass into a puddle.
5/14/2007 6:14:21 AM EDT
[#10]
That POS fuggin' cannibal needs to be removed from the surface of this planet. The witnesses should be prosecuted for failure to render assistance. Given the victim's age, they shoulda charged that crackhead withh attempted murder.
5/14/2007 7:16:23 AM EDT
[#11]

Quoted:
Just for reference, in regards to law. If you were one of the onlookers, could you use lethal force to stop his actions?



Following our "Use of Force" policy.

I could and would use lethal force in that situation.

The old man looked to be in imminent danger of severe injury or death.
5/14/2007 8:24:26 AM EDT
[#12]
How fucking pathetic is that?



Oh....  I did notice someone registered an account under my name to leave a nice comment.

I don't appreciate it.

If you were a real man or woman you would use your own screen name.



5/14/2007 9:22:42 AM EDT
[#13]

Quoted:
How fucking pathetic is that?



Oh....  I did notice someone registered an account under my name to leave a nice comment.

I don't appreciate it.

If you were a real man or woman you would use your own screen name.





That was as pathetic as the video. I didn't think it was you.
5/14/2007 9:26:38 AM EDT
[#14]

Quoted:

Quoted:
How fucking pathetic is that?



Oh....  I did notice someone registered an account under my name to leave a nice comment.

I don't appreciate it.

If you were a real man or woman you would use your own screen name.





That was as pathetic as the video. I didn't think it was you.


While I have used that word in the past, it is not in my vocabulary today.

I believe that word can apply to all races.....



5/14/2007 9:47:13 AM EDT
[#15]



May 13, 2007 12:54 AM

Police: He Beat, Carjacked 91-Year-Old Vet
 
WXYZ.com has obtained the mugshot of the man police say savagely beat and carjacked a 91-year-old World War II veteran. The attack was captured by a security camera, shocking video first aired yesterday on WXYZ.

Police arrested 22-year-old Deontae Edward Bradley in Warren last night, just hours after the video first aired.  

Wayne County Prosecutor Kym L. Worthy charged Deonte Edward Bradley, 22 of Detroit in connection with the violent assault and carjacking of 91 year old Detroit resident Leonard Sims that occurred at 8:35 p.m. on May 4, 2007 in the parking lot of the Stop and Go Liquor Store located at 3206 W. McNichols.

Mr. Sims parked his 2005 Chevy Malibu in the parking lot of the store. Mr. Bradley asked Mr. Sims for a light for his cigarette and allegedly punched Mr. Sims multiple times in the face and neck. Mr. Bradley forced the keys from Mr. Sims hand and then hit Mr. Sims in the face and used the car door to knock Mr. Sims down on the ground. Mr. Bradley drove away in the vehicle. Mr. Sims was assisted by citizens at the scene who called police.

After an investigation by Detroit Police Department and the Violent Crimes Task Force Mr. Bradley was arrested on May 10, 2007.

He has been charged with Carjacking, which carries a penalty of up to life in prison; and, Assault With Intent to do Great Bodily Harm, which carries a maximum penalty of ten years in prison.

“Is there really any reason to beat a 91 year old just to take his car?” said Prosecutor Worthy. “Carjacking is bad enough but there was absolutely no reason for him to brutalize one of our senior citizens to accomplish his criminal goal.”

The arraignment will take place today at 5:00 p.m. in the 36th District located at 421 Madison Avenue in the City of Detroit.



I PRAY HE GETS LIFE IN PRISON!!!!!!!!
5/14/2007 12:34:00 PM EDT
[#16]

Quoted:
-no comment-


5/14/2007 2:37:54 PM EDT
[#17]

Quoted:
How fucking pathetic is that?



Oh....  I did notice someone registered an account under my name to leave a nice comment.

I don't appreciate it.

If you were a real man or woman you would use your own screen name.





Wow, that was bullshit.  Sorry man.
5/14/2007 2:43:24 PM EDT
[#18]
That video reminds me of Gibby catching me walking out of Burger King.
5/14/2007 7:43:06 PM EDT
[#19]

Quoted:
Just for reference, in regards to law. If you were one of the onlookers, could you use lethal force to stop his actions?

Or tech. do you have to tell him to stop?

If something was happening that quick, could you run up on him, and put one in his head, and be within the law?

Honest question, might be in that position one day, and no way will I watch somene from the sideline be beaten for no reason...


Well, I wouldn't book you even if my Sgt ordered me to.  But legally, self defense is an affirmative defense (that covers this situation as well) and some agencies have a policy of booking anyone who shoots someone else no matter what due to this legal technicality.  

I did have a guy fire a shot while being attacked by 3 turds.  My then Sgt said, "I'm not booking a guy into jail for defending himself, at work, from 3 drunken lowlifes."

Edited to add that I'm not a lawyer and barely know enough law to keep myself out of trouble.  and that's just in WA state.
5/14/2007 8:04:39 PM EDT
[#20]
Some people just deserve to die.  
5/14/2007 8:13:19 PM EDT
[#21]

RCW 9A.16.020
Use of force — When lawful.


The use, attempt, or offer to use force upon or toward the person of another is not unlawful in the following cases:

    (1) Whenever necessarily used by a public officer in the performance of a legal duty, or a person assisting the officer and acting under the officer's direction;

    (2) Whenever necessarily used by a person arresting one who has committed a felony and delivering him or her to a public officer competent to receive him or her into custody;

    (3) Whenever used by a party about to be injured, or by another lawfully aiding him or her, in preventing or attempting to prevent an offense against his or her person, or a malicious trespass, or other malicious interference with real or personal property lawfully in his or her possession, in case the force is not more than is necessary;

    (4) Whenever reasonably used by a person to detain someone who enters or remains unlawfully in a building or on real property lawfully in the possession of such person, so long as such detention is reasonable in duration and manner to investigate the reason for the detained person's presence on the premises, and so long as the premises in question did not reasonably appear to be intended to be open to members of the public;

    (5) Whenever used by a carrier of passengers or the carrier's authorized agent or servant, or other person assisting them at their request in expelling from a carriage, railway car, vessel, or other vehicle, a passenger who refuses to obey a lawful and reasonable regulation prescribed for the conduct of passengers, if such vehicle has first been stopped and the force used is not more than is necessary to expel the offender with reasonable regard to the offender's personal safety;

    (6) Whenever used by any person to prevent a mentally ill, mentally incompetent, or mentally disabled person from committing an act dangerous to any person, or in enforcing necessary restraint for the protection or restoration to health of the person, during such period only as is necessary to obtain legal authority for the restraint or custody of the person.


[1986 c 149 § 2; 1979 ex.s. c 244 § 7; 1977 ex.s. c 80 § 13; 1975 1st ex.s. c 260 § 9A.16.020.]

Notes:     Effective date -- 1979 ex.s. c 244: See RCW 9A.44.902.


    Purpose -- Intent -- Severability -- 1977 ex.s. c 80: See notes following RCW 4.16.190.
5/14/2007 9:27:54 PM EDT
[#22]

Quoted:
That video reminds me of Gibby catching me walking out of Burger King.


I remember that!

WHERESMYBURGERBITCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

5/14/2007 10:31:36 PM EDT
[#23]
I always thought if you feared for your life or stepping in for someone who you were afraid for their life, was okay.  

The main thing was "I want my lawyer!" then don't say shit until your lawyer arrives.  

Don't

Say

Shit

Until

Your

Lawyer

Arrives.

5/15/2007 10:14:25 AM EDT
[#24]

Quoted:
Just for reference, in regards to law. If you were one of the onlookers, could you use lethal force to stop his actions?

Or tech. do you have to tell him to stop?

If something was happening that quick, could you run up on him, and put one in his head, and be within the law?

Honest question, might be in that position one day, and no way will I watch somene from the sideline be beaten for no reason...



Hmm..Maybe the 'Good Samaritan' laws should cover this
5/15/2007 5:05:44 PM EDT
[#25]

Quoted:...
I PRAY HE GETS LIFE IN PRISON!!!!!!!!

I'm betting that he will be in Jackson State for the rest of his life, no matter what the sentence is.
5/16/2007 7:57:49 AM EDT
[#26]


Wednesday, May 16, 2007

Carjacking victim, 91, calls attacker 'a coward, not a man'

DETROIT -- The purple bruises on 91-year-old Leonard Sims' face are painful reminders of the brutal beating he took at the hands of a carjacker.

Deonte Edward Bradley, 22, of Detroit was arraigned last week in the beating and carjacking outside a west side party store May 4 that was captured on video and broadcast on local and national news shows.

Since the video was first broadcast locally Thursday, it has aired on cable channels MSNBC and CNN, stirring national outrage with each airing.

The attack comes two months after Rose Morat, 101, of Queens, N.Y., was attacked and robbed in her apartment building, which was also caught on video. Sims hopes he'll get to testify in the Bradley case and give his young attacker a piece of his mind.

"I would tell him he was a coward, not a man," said Sims at his west side home Tuesday. "I would tell him what he did to me was uncalled for, unjust and unfaithful."

And he's not mincing his words about the group of bystanders who stood by and watched the attack.

"They were cowards," said Sims, a retired barber who owned a shop on Woodward and Euclid. "A whole group of them just stood and looked."

It's not the first time Sims and his wife of 62 years, Nora, 83, have been victims of crime.

Nora Sims said she was robbed of her purse and $400 and knocked to the ground outside a Southfield furniture store last year.

Her husband's beating left her wondering if he was going to survive. "I just knew he was going to pass before the night was over," she said. "His face was black and he had blood running from the side of his ears."

Sims' home telephone rang constantly Tuesday with calls from well-wishers, reporters and Detroit Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick's office.

When he's feeling up to it, he has an invitation for dinner at Sinbad's restaurant on the Detroit River. He's been given a standing offer from retired Detroit Tiger Willie Horton to watch a Tigers game with him at Comerica Park.

And he has his car, a 2005 Chevrolet Malibu, back.

Maria Miller, a spokeswoman for the Wayne County Prosecutor's office, said there has been an outpouring of sympathy and concern for Sims.

"We have received calls and e-mails from Detroit, Wayne County and from around the country from people completely devastated about what happened to him," said Miller. "I have heard from people just heartbroken about what happened to him."

5/24/2007 7:32:32 PM EDT
[#27]



May 24, 2007

Norman Sinclair / The Detroit News

DETROIT -- After his arrest, 22-year-old Deonte Edward Bradley told a Detroit police officer the answer to a question that has haunted people all over the country: "Why did you beat up a 91-year-old man?"

"It wasn't intentionally. It was just something I did and it was stupid. I hit him a few times, got the keys and drove off," Bradley told Detroit Police Officer Kevin White. Bradley's statement to White was read into the record Wednesday at Bradley's preliminary examination in 36th District Court in Detroit.

Judge Mark A. Randon ordered Bradley to stand trial in the May 4 carjacking of 91-year-old Leonard Sims, an incident that outraged viewers around the country who saw the attack vividly recorded on a security camera in the parking lot of the Shop N Go Liquor store in the 3200 block of McNichols.

Bradley is charged with carjacking, assault less than murder and being a habitual criminal, third degree, for two previous drug convictions. The carjacking and habitual counts carry maximum terms of life in prison.

White and Sims were the only witnesses called Wednesday afternoon by Assistant Wayne County Prosecutor Jamie Powell.

"I came out of the store to my car, opened the door with my key, and before I knew it, a young man was up in my face," Sims said. "He asked for a light for a cigarette and before I could answer he pushed me in the face and punched me … he hit me about 20 times.

"He grabbed the keys out of my hand and hopped in the car," Sims said, and pointed to Bradley as he identified him as his assailant.

Sims said the attack impaired his hearing, and he still has pain in his chest where bruises are still visible.

In his statement to White, Bradley said he did not plan the assault and was not carrying a weapon that night.

He said his girlfriend was with him but she had nothing to do with the incident.

In his statement to police, Bradley described Sims, an African-American, as a white man with gray hair and about 75 years old.

Sims' wife, Nora, 83, said outside the courtroom she believed that Bradley mistaking Sims for white led to the attack.

"I don't care what color you are, you don't beat people up," she said.

The couple also had little sympathy for Bradley when his lawyer, Eric Goze, asked the judge to have Bradley secluded from other inmates in the county jail because of the wide media publicity.

"Let him go in there and see what it's like to be hit 21 times," Nora said, breaking into tears.

At the urging of the prosecutor, who cited Bradley's failure to show up in court in other cases, Randon raised Bradley's $75,000 bond to $1 million, 10 percent cash. Randon set a May 30 date for Bradley's next appearance in Wayne Circuit Court.


5/25/2007 8:51:37 AM EDT
[#28]


"It wasn't intentionally. It was just something I did and it was stupid. I hit him a few times, got the keys and drove off,"


Fuck, that kind of bullshit dissassociation crap makes me so damn mad.  You can see that fucker trying to carve out a difference between himself and his actions right there in his statement.  On one side you've got his self image of just a regular guy, and on another side, you've got this stuff that he 'just does' sometimes.  The way he talks about his actions, you'd think they were some external thing, like a TV program, or a bus schedule.  It's just like the classic DV statement "look what you made me do!"

Shitheads like that are depressingly common.  The thing that makes me angriest is the lack of action on the bystanders' part.  How in the fuck could they just stand there and watch an old man get his ass kicked?
5/25/2007 8:55:40 AM EDT
[#29]

Quoted:


"It wasn't intentionally. It was just something I did and it was stupid. I hit him a few times, got the keys and drove off,"


Fuck, that kind of bullshit dissassociation crap makes me so damn mad.  You can see that fucker trying to carve out a difference between himself and his actions right there in his statement.  On one side you've got his self image of just a regular guy, and on another side, you've got this stuff that he 'just does' sometimes.  The way he talks about his actions, you'd think they were some external thing, like a TV program, or a bus schedule.  It's just like the classic DV statement "look what you made me do!"

Shitheads like that are depressingly common.  The thing that makes me angriest is the lack of action on the bystanders' part.  How in the fuck could they just stand there and watch an old man get his ass kicked?
...cuz they're fuckin' self absorbed idiots, too?
5/25/2007 9:01:52 AM EDT
[#30]
I agree.
5/25/2007 9:09:47 AM EDT
[#31]

Quoted:


"It wasn't intentionally. It was just something I did and it was stupid. I hit him a few times, got the keys and drove off,"


Fuck, that kind of bullshit dissassociation crap makes me so damn mad.  You can see that fucker trying to carve out a difference between himself and his actions right there in his statement.  On one side you've got his self image of just a regular guy, and on another side, you've got this stuff that he 'just does' sometimes.  The way he talks about his actions, you'd think they were some external thing, like a TV program, or a bus schedule.  It's just like the classic DV statement "look what you made me do!"

Shitheads like that are depressingly common.  The thing that makes me angriest is the lack of action on the bystanders' part.  How in the fuck could they just stand there and watch an old man get his ass kicked?


Good post. I think you just described what they teach in gradeschools today.

The bystanders part digs deepest for me too. Can you imagine such a thing happening before 1980? I sure can't... but today? easy