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10/25/2006 2:37:19 PM EDT
Just a thought. If there were a permit you could buy to carry a loaded rifle in your vehicle, would you buy it? Would you then carry a rifle?

I think I would. Never know when the zombies will return.
10/25/2006 3:27:43 PM EDT
[#1]
nah just carry an old bolt gun unloaded with some stripper clips loaded. Its easy enough to cram a clip into the mag, and if you get pulled over just say thats how the ammo comes
10/25/2006 3:30:50 PM EDT
[#2]
No,

I carry a rifle when I want to anyway, Just because it is not loaded is not a handicap.
10/25/2006 7:40:32 PM EDT
[#3]
Except for the fact it is illegal to carry a loaded long gun in a vehicle (an infringement of my rights IMO), it shouldn't require a permit.
10/25/2006 7:51:07 PM EDT
[#4]
I wouldn't.
10/25/2006 8:04:23 PM EDT
[#5]

zombies


I would.  But it'd be a shotgun.
10/25/2006 8:13:55 PM EDT
[#6]
The Zombie Survival Guide states that a semi automatic rifle is best for taking out zombies. Better accuracy at longer ranges my friends...
10/25/2006 8:23:19 PM EDT
[#7]
What's a Rilfe?

10/25/2006 9:06:48 PM EDT
[#8]
I thought with the conceal carry permit you could transport loaded guns in your vehicle as well?



10/25/2006 9:11:13 PM EDT
[#9]
nope you can never carry a loaded rifle as far as i know, But with things like this, if in doubt leave it unloaded.
10/25/2006 9:45:40 PM EDT
[#10]

Quoted:
I thought with the conceal carry permit you could transport loaded guns in your vehicle as well?





In Wa it is a Concealed Pistol License....it only covers pistols. Rifles and shotguns have to be unloaded. The magazine can be loaded as long as it is not attached to the gun.
10/25/2006 9:47:04 PM EDT
[#11]

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I thought with the conceal carry permit you could transport loaded guns in your vehicle as well?





If you look at your concealed carry permit and read it carefully it states that it is a "Concealed pistol Permit." There is nothing in it that applies to long guns.
10/25/2006 10:02:13 PM EDT
[#12]
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I thought with the conceal carry permit you could transport loaded guns in your vehicle as well?



hat


I wish, maybe in 3 months hat
I might be confused, I dont know. Maybe I mis-heard them, and they ment the ammo was by the rifle?
10/26/2006 7:22:52 AM EDT
[#13]

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If you look at your concealed carry permit and read it carefully it states that it is a "Concealed pistol Permit." There is nothing in it that applies to long guns.

So, no revolvers?
10/26/2006 7:40:59 AM EDT
[#14]

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If you look at your concealed carry permit and read it carefully it states that it is a "Concealed pistol Permit." There is nothing in it that applies to long guns.

So, no revolvers?


Not exactly, you need to look to the definitions.



RCW 9.41.010
Terms defined.

(1) "Firearm" means a weapon or device from which a projectile or projectiles may be fired by an explosive such as gunpowder.

    (2) "Pistol" means any firearm with a barrel less than sixteen inches in length, or is designed to be held and fired by the use of a single hand.

    (3) "Rifle" means a weapon designed or redesigned, made or remade, and intended to be fired from the shoulder and designed or redesigned, made or remade, and intended to use the energy of the explosive in a fixed metallic cartridge to fire only a single projectile through a rifled bore for each single pull of the trigger.

    (4) "Short-barreled rifle" means a rifle having one or more barrels less than sixteen inches in length and any weapon made from a rifle by any means of modification if such modified weapon has an overall length of less than twenty-six inches.

    (5) "Shotgun" means a weapon with one or more barrels, designed or redesigned, made or remade, and intended to be fired from the shoulder and designed or redesigned, made or remade, and intended to use the energy of the explosive in a fixed shotgun shell to fire through a smooth bore either a number of ball shot or a single projectile for each single pull of the trigger.

    (6) "Short-barreled shotgun" means a shotgun having one or more barrels less than eighteen inches in length and any weapon made from a shotgun by any means of modification if such modified weapon has an overall length of less than twenty-six inches.

    (7) "Machine gun" means any firearm known as a machine gun, mechanical rifle, submachine gun, or any other mechanism or instrument not requiring that the trigger be pressed for each shot and having a reservoir clip, disc, drum, belt, or other separable mechanical device for storing, carrying, or supplying ammunition which can be loaded into the firearm, mechanism, or instrument, and fired therefrom at the rate of five or more shots per second.

    (8) "Antique firearm" means a firearm or replica of a firearm not designed or redesigned for using rim fire or conventional center fire ignition with fixed ammunition and manufactured in or before 1898, including any matchlock, flintlock, percussion cap, or similar type of ignition system and also any firearm using fixed ammunition manufactured in or before 1898, for which ammunition is no longer manufactured in the United States and is not readily available in the ordinary channels of commercial trade.

    (9) "Loaded" means:

    (a) There is a cartridge in the chamber of the firearm;

    (b) Cartridges are in a clip that is locked in place in the firearm;

    (c) There is a cartridge in the cylinder of the firearm, if the firearm is a revolver;

    (d) There is a cartridge in the tube or magazine that is inserted in the action; or

    (e) There is a ball in the barrel and the firearm is capped or primed if the firearm is a muzzle loader.
10/26/2006 7:48:43 AM EDT
[#15]

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I am just going by what I hear. When I was at my rifle range orientation with my dad, the guy said if the rifle were to jam with a round in the chamber, and you were not able to clear it, you would have to call a gun smith to come to the range at your expense, and he also said if you had a conceal carry permit it would allow you to transport the gun to your gunsmith. Also I heard someone talking about a buddy duck hunting, and when he was done he just threw his loaded shotgun into the cab and left, and got pulled over and ticketed, in responce to that, he said had he had a CCP he would of been legal.

I might be confused, I dont know. Maybe I mis-heard them, and they ment the ammo was by the rifle?


CPL or not a loaded rifle or shotgun is a no no.



RCW 77.15.460
Loaded firearm in vehicle -- Unlawful use or possession -- Penalty.

(1) A person is guilty of unlawful possession of a loaded firearm in a motor vehicle if:

(a) The person carries, transports, conveys, possesses, or controls a rifle or shotgun in or on a motor vehicle; and

(b) The rifle or shotgun contains shells or cartridges in the magazine or chamber, or is a muzzle-loading firearm that is loaded and capped or primed.

(2) A person is guilty of unlawful use of a loaded firearm if the person negligently shoots a firearm from, across, or along the maintained portion of a public highway.

(3) Unlawful possession of a loaded firearm in a motor vehicle or unlawful use of a loaded firearm is a misdemeanor.

(4) This section does not apply if the person:

(a) Is a law enforcement officer who is authorized to carry a firearm and is on duty within the officer's respective jurisdiction;

(b) Possesses a disabled hunter's permit as provided by RCW 77.32.237 and complies with all rules of the department concerning hunting by persons with disabilities.

(5) For purposes of this section, a firearm shall not be considered loaded if the detachable clip or magazine is not inserted in or attached to the firearm.

10/26/2006 8:52:58 AM EDT
[#16]

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(4) This section does not apply if the person:

(b) Possesses a disabled hunter's permit as provided by RCW 77.32.237 and complies with all rules of the department concerning hunting by persons with disabilities.


This part is very important 'cuz I'm mentally disabled.  
10/26/2006 10:34:00 AM EDT
[#17]
I been told on several occasions that you can't lean a loaded long gun against a vehicle. As in, you come back from hunting and lean the loaded rifle up against the vehicle to dig out your keys from the pack. Apparently this is a violation of one of the game laws regarding the use of vehicles in hunting. We do have some screw ball laws about guns in this state.
10/26/2006 11:27:01 AM EDT
[#18]

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    (2) "Pistol" means any firearm with a barrel less than sixteen inches in length, or is designed to be held and fired by the use of a single hand.


Just noticed the "OR" in there......interesting.
10/26/2006 11:34:45 AM EDT
[#19]
Oh yes, the placement of that OR is very intriguing.  

Try the placement of this AND...  (replace it with an OR to really see the implications)

(4) "Short-barreled rifle" means a rifle having one or more barrels less than sixteen inches in length AND any weapon made from a rifle by any means of modification if such modified weapon has an overall length of less than twenty-six inches.


Of course, our SC has recently shown that words can mean their opposite and therefore don't actually read what they read...  So never mind the written word...
10/26/2006 5:01:13 PM EDT
[#20]
That's good to know. The way I read that is you can have your guns and mags in the trunk together. It said as long as the mags aren't inserted or attached. I usually keep the mags and ammo in the passenger compartment and the guns in the trunk. It would be better to keep them together in the trunk or in the back of the SUV.

There wouldn't be a need for a loaded rifle permit when all you have to do is grab a rifle and load a mag then you are set. I think with the threats to this country all Americans should be ready to fight any threats.
10/26/2006 6:08:24 PM EDT
[#21]
With a round jammed in the chanmber or something, i would probly just drop the bolt out of the rifle to transport it. That way if a cop does pull you over as long as your nice hell probly see that theres truth in your story sence you have effectivly disabled the firearm...
10/26/2006 6:20:26 PM EDT
[#22]

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With a round jammed in the chamber or something, i would probly just drop the bolt out of the rifle to transport it. That way if a cop does pull you over as long as your nice he'll probably see that there's truth in your story sense you have effectively disabled the firearm...


Although I do know there are assho*le cops out there the vast majority are reasonable people and will not go out of there way to harass people. (unless you are a jerk). Besides what is the chance of having a round stuck in the chamber, then getting stopped by a cop and then having your vehicle searched? Pretty long I would think.
10/26/2006 8:16:44 PM EDT
[#23]

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There wouldn't be a need for a loaded rifle permit when all you have to do is grab a rifle and load a mag then you are set. I think with the threats to this country all Americans should be ready to fight any threats.


I think having to load a shotty is where it would become handy, but as long as we can forge up some Saiga's, I guess we'll call it good.