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6/2/2006 9:26:04 PM EDT
What ever happened to the Russian AK guy at the gunshows?  I haven't seen them in a while.
6/2/2006 9:31:15 PM EDT
[#1]
Jail, seems he may have been an asscoiate of Keith Gilbert
6/2/2006 9:34:17 PM EDT
[#2]

Agents say man helped supply machine guns

By PAUL SHUKOVSKY
SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER REPORTER

Federal agents Tuesday arrested a man they say manufactured illegal machine guns and helped supply automatic weapons to a Seattle-based gun ring run by a neo-Nazi.

Ghassan Haddad -- the gunsmith who is accused of working with neo-Nazi Keith Gilbert and others to peddle automatic weapons at gun shows and from a house in Seattle's Roosevelt neighborhood -- was arrested in Southern California. He is facing three federal felony charges in U.S. District Court in Seattle: dealing in firearms without a license, manufacture of an unregistered firearm and possession of an unregistered firearm.

The FBI's Joint Terrorism Task Force arrested Gilbert on Feb. 16 near his home near Northeast 65 Street and Roosevelt Way Northeast. Gilbert -- a former Aryan Nation activist -- once bragged that he planned to blow up the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. with 1,400 pounds of TNT and did prison time for threatening black children. His trial on multiple weapons charges is set for December.

The current weapons charges make no accusations that the weapons were to be used in acts of terrorism.

Over about a year beginning in July 2003, a witness cooperating with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives began buying AK rifles from Gilbert. One of the rifles -- which could easily be converted to a machine gun -- came from Haddad, Gilbert told the witness.

Undercover agents watched Haddad working at a booth at the Puyallup Gun Show. One agent approached him, and Haddad allegedly told him he "knew people who could assist, for a fee, in creating an automatic weapon from the parts Haddad sold. Haddad stated that he would describe the assembly of the automatic parts needed to produce an automatic weapon," according to court documents.

Another alleged accomplice, Sergey Zarodnyuk, told agents that Haddad had worked with him to convert some of the approximately 40 deactivated AK rifles he had shipped from Ukraine to the United States into fully automatic machine guns.



seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/245118_haddad19.html

6/2/2006 9:37:53 PM EDT
[#3]
Good Riddance. These are the kind of assholes that give law abiding gun owners a bad name.
6/2/2006 10:50:09 PM EDT
[#4]

Quoted:
Good Riddance. These are the kind of assholes that give law abiding gun owners a bad name.



Since when did you start believing liberal lies and acting on them?

Ghassan Haddad is a good guy that got screwed by the nazis.

I thought you knew better than to believe gun grabbing liars.
6/2/2006 11:37:44 PM EDT
[#5]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Good Riddance. These are the kind of assholes that give law abiding gun owners a bad name.



Since when did you start believing liberal lies and acting on them?

Ghassan Haddad is a good guy that got screwed by the nazis.

I thought you knew better than to believe gun grabbing liars.


+10
6/3/2006 11:02:41 AM EDT
[#6]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Good Riddance. These are the kind of assholes that give law abiding gun owners a bad name.



Since when did you start believing liberal lies and acting on them?

Ghassan Haddad is a good guy that got screwed by the nazis.

I thought you knew better than to believe gun grabbing liars.



Maybe it was a knee jerk reaction. I didn't personally know the guy. Bottom line, if you keep company with skin heads and Nazis you're gonn'a get burned. Now for the disclaimer: It is quite possible for the media to falsely label someone as a Nazi or skinhead, in fact that is highly probable.  However, if these guys atually were telling people (and ATF undercover agents) how to convert AK-47's to full auto while renting a table at WAC then I have a problem with that. The libs would like nothing more than to shut down WAC completely. If we have some loose cannons trying to make a few extra bucks and hurt our cause in the process then those people should go. The next reasonable qusetion is did these guys really do this shit? I don't know but WTF I always thought mike loftus was a good guy too! All I'm saying is if these guys did this shit then they should go down for it. If they didn't do anything and it is all a liberal media/government smear job then that is a different thing by itself. Then we have a bigger problem.
6/3/2006 11:59:30 AM EDT
[#7]
Ghassan was a regular at WAC and completely within the laws and rules of the state and WAC all he did is supply information about the AK rifle system.

Kieth G is a total dumbfucking nazi but was just used as a tool to demonize Ghassan, Ghassan had NO relationship with Kieth G and associates, you know Joe or Don would never knowingly allow illegal activity at a WAC table, the murdering lying ATFE will do and say anything to take a good man down, Kieth had it coming but Ghassan's only "mistake" is being helpful with information as a gunshow, no good deed goes unpunished.

I am sick to death of the tyranny, no person or property were injured and hence there is no crime, paying out millions of dollars for a corrupt agency to persecute people for crimes that do not exist is the ultimate injustice.

6/3/2006 1:54:07 PM EDT
[#8]
Strat, I'm on the same page with on that. These are trying times we live in. The forces of evil are masters when it comes to the strategy of divide and conquor.
6/3/2006 1:58:41 PM EDT
[#9]

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Strat, I'm on the same page with on that. These are trying times we live in. The forces of evil are masters when it comes to the strategy of divide and conquor.



 And a lesson for all of us here.
6/3/2006 3:13:05 PM EDT
[#10]
Considering the ATF's record on "illegal" machine gun allegations.. I don't believe them on this one.

Remember folks, the ATF can say what is and is not a machine gun, their little rulings change from time to time unfortunatly

Besides that, the NFA, GCA '68, and the machine gun ban amendment to FOPA were all unconstitutional, but thats a different debate..

Right now though, illegal is illegal, whether its constitutional or not. We all get a bad name by doing stuff like that under the radar.
6/3/2006 4:26:04 PM EDT
[#11]
Does anyone have enough information to actually go on (with what actually  happened), or is all of it just taken from the media slant?
6/3/2006 7:23:44 PM EDT
[#12]

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Does anyone have enough information to actually go on (with what actually  happened), or is all of it just taken from the media slant?



It's the FEDS. GUILTY!!!!!!! Uh....what was the crime again? Oh, yeah.....being FEDS.  Good enough.
6/4/2006 7:32:24 AM EDT
[#13]
There are some good feds, but they aren't the type of people who run around doing things most of us disagree with.  

There are also some out of control feds who think their "powers" are whatever they dream up.  The feds need an oversight panel instead of being able to wash away whatever they don't like.  

Sadly, some of the ATF guys I've dealt with have fallen into the second catagory.
6/4/2006 8:44:29 AM EDT
[#14]

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There are some good feds, but they aren't the type of people who run around doing things most of us disagree with.  

There are also some out of control feds who think their "powers" are whatever they dream up.  The feds need an oversight panel instead of being able to wash away whatever they don't like.  

Sadly, some of the ATF guys I've dealt with have fallen into the second catagory.



There is such a panel in the constitution but it does not exist today as originally designed, the oversight panel is a jury, they have the power to punish anyone including judges for breach of the peace, but that assumes the jury members are competent and know the laws of their own country which at present they do not, the U.S. really has become a nation of Homer Simpsons.


§ 242. Deprivation of rights under color of law
How Current is This?

Whoever, under color of any law, statute, ordinance, regulation, or custom, willfully subjects any person in any State, Territory, Commonwealth, Possession, or District to the deprivation of any rights, privileges, or immunities secured or protected by the Constitution or laws of the United States, or to different punishments, pains, or penalties, on account of such person being an alien, or by reason of his color, or race, than are prescribed for the punishment of citizens, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both; and if bodily injury results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include the use, attempted use, or threatened use of a dangerous weapon, explosives, or fire, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and if death results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include kidnapping or an attempt to kidnap, aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to commit aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to kill, shall be fined under this title, or imprisoned for any term of years or for life, or both, or may be sentenced to death.



6/4/2006 8:47:45 AM EDT
[#15]

§ 241. Conspiracy against rights

If two or more persons conspire to injure, oppress, threaten, or intimidate any person in any State, Territory, Commonwealth, Possession, or District in the free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege secured to him by the Constitution or laws of the United States, or because of his having so exercised the same; or
If two or more persons go in disguise on the highway, or on the premises of another, with intent to prevent or hinder his free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege so secured—
They shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and if death results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include kidnapping or an attempt to kidnap, aggravated sexual abuse or an attempt to commit aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to kill, they shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for any term of years or for life, or both, or may be sentenced to death.

6/4/2006 9:14:27 AM EDT
[#16]
The bottom line is that we have an out of control government that doesn't abide by it's own laws but makes up laws as it goes along to suit any given situation. We need to do away with all lawyers and politicians.
6/4/2006 9:55:27 AM EDT
[#17]

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The bottom line is that we have an out of control government that doesn't abide by it's own laws but makes up laws as it goes along to suit any given situation. We need to do away with all lawyers and politicians.

Ok... yeah.  Thats just a truly fukt up statement,
6/4/2006 11:12:25 AM EDT
[#18]
You guys crack me up.
I love watching the wheels spin whenever Strat hands down an opinion or alternate theory, and then everyone remembers they are supposed to be fighting the "man", Big Brother, "La Machina" and all those "evil, oppressive laws".


That's just entertainment you don't get on primetime cable!

6/4/2006 11:46:46 AM EDT
[#19]

Quoted:
The bottom line is that we have an out of control government that doesn't abide by it's own laws but makes up laws as it goes along to suit any given situation. We need to do away with all lawyers and politicians.



I truly hope that is a call for complete anarchy. Otherwise, you're just begging for a dictatorship.
6/4/2006 12:43:17 PM EDT
[#20]
Hey man, it's just me blowing off steam!

....and pouring sand in my Vagina!
6/4/2006 6:00:37 PM EDT
[#21]

Quoted:
There are some good feds, but they aren't the type of people who run around doing things most of us disagree with.  

There are also some out of control feds who think their "powers" are whatever they dream up.  The feds need an oversight panel instead of being able to wash away whatever they don't like.  

Sadly, some of the ATF guys I've dealt with have fallen into the second catagory.



It is truely unfortunate that some agents choose to be predatory. It makes dealing with the ATF a risky business.

The ATF could be a lot of help to gun owners. They could help keep us on the straight and narrow, if they had a co-operative attitude.

As it stands, the ATF are the last people I'd want to contact for information, lest I find the beast at your door.

There are people here who study the law in order to obey it, rather than exploit it for their careers.

6/4/2006 7:00:07 PM EDT
[#22]
The BATFE first started in 1792 as the IRS tax enforcement goon squad, it has had different names through the years but has always been the most lucrative tax collection agency being the highest producer of any single agency within government.

That means the BATFE has a profit motive but no moral justification, the individual agents then must invent some mechanism to salve their conscience as banditry is nothing to be proud of, so they demonize their victims as criminals worse than themselves in order to rationalize their own dastardly deeds, which makes it a very dangerous  and powerful enemy much to be feared.

6/4/2006 7:54:13 PM EDT
[#23]
In twenty years as a FFL ,I have had many,many people in the store ask me "how easy is it to make this full auto'?My answer has always been "have not a clue".End of disscusion.Why would anyone talk to a total stranger about any of those subjects.Being in the gun biz. and being clueless is not going to work for very long.Folks  who work around weapons ,know what they know!
6/4/2006 7:54:59 PM EDT
[#24]

Quoted:

Quoted:
The bottom line is that we have an out of control government that doesn't abide by it's own laws but makes up laws as it goes along to suit any given situation. We need to do away with all lawyers and politicians.



I truly hope that is a call for complete anarchy. Otherwise, you're just begging for a dictatorship.



I'd be happy to have term limits... and senators being up every two years, makes them think before voting on something.

Here we got guys that've been in the upper levels of government for 40+ years

Shit rolls down hill...
6/4/2006 8:06:53 PM EDT
[#25]

Quoted:
In twenty years as a FFL ,I have had many,many people in the store ask me "how easy is it to make this full auto'?My answer has always been "have not a clue".End of disscusion.Why would anyone talk to a total stranger about any of those subjects.Being in the gun biz. and being clueless is not going to work for very long.Folks  who work around weapons ,know what they know!



For a FFL dealer that is a good policy but for people at gunshows information on NFA is very useful when buying used firearms, if I buy a used UZI or AK or AR I want to know what parts are semi and what parts are not and if the firearm has ever been tampered with, you never really know what all has been done on a used gun from a gunshow.

Knowledge and information should never be illegal, basically they are busting people for thought crimes that do not exist.

6/4/2006 8:24:15 PM EDT
[#26]

Quoted:

Quoted:
In twenty years as a FFL ,I have had many,many people in the store ask me "how easy is it to make this full auto'?My answer has always been "have not a clue".End of disscusion.Why would anyone talk to a total stranger about any of those subjects.Being in the gun biz. and being clueless is not going to work for very long.Folks  who work around weapons ,know what they know!



For a FFL dealer that is a good policy but for people at gunshows information on NFA is very useful when buying used firearms, if I buy a used UZI or AK or AR I want to know what parts are semi and what parts are not and if the firearm has ever been tampered with, you never really know what all has been done on a used gun from a gunshow.

Knowledge and information should never be illegal, basically they are busting people for thought crimes that do not exist.




Hey its constructive posession! Next thing you know, owning a hack saw and a shotgun will be considered having an SBS!
6/4/2006 8:26:58 PM EDT
[#27]

Quoted:

Quoted:

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In twenty years as a FFL ,I have had many,many people in the store ask me "how easy is it to make this full auto'?My answer has always been "have not a clue".End of disscusion.Why would anyone talk to a total stranger about any of those subjects.Being in the gun biz. and being clueless is not going to work for very long.Folks  who work around weapons ,know what they know!



For a FFL dealer that is a good policy but for people at gunshows information on NFA is very useful when buying used firearms, if I buy a used UZI or AK or AR I want to know what parts are semi and what parts are not and if the firearm has ever been tampered with, you never really know what all has been done on a used gun from a gunshow.

Knowledge and information should never be illegal, basically they are busting people for thought crimes that do not exist.




Hey its constructive posession! Next thing you know, owning a hack saw and a shotgun will be considered having an SBS!



There was a thread in GD a few days ago about a judge saying a man with a machine shop has constructive intent to manufacture.

It does not matter how cynical I get I can not keep up.
6/4/2006 8:32:41 PM EDT
[#28]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:

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In twenty years as a FFL ,I have had many,many people in the store ask me "how easy is it to make this full auto'?My answer has always been "have not a clue".End of disscusion.Why would anyone talk to a total stranger about any of those subjects.Being in the gun biz. and being clueless is not going to work for very long.Folks  who work around weapons ,know what they know!



For a FFL dealer that is a good policy but for people at gunshows information on NFA is very useful when buying used firearms, if I buy a used UZI or AK or AR I want to know what parts are semi and what parts are not and if the firearm has ever been tampered with, you never really know what all has been done on a used gun from a gunshow.

Knowledge and information should never be illegal, basically they are busting people for thought crimes that do not exist.




Hey its constructive posession! Next thing you know, owning a hack saw and a shotgun will be considered having an SBS!



There was a thread in GD a few days ago about a judge saying a man with a machine shop has constructive intent to manufacture.

It does not matter how cynical I get I can not keep up.



Insanity...

They'll get you, if they can't find something legit they'll make it up.

Oooh, you own a wood screw and a Glock. MACHINE GUN!

Or a shoe string! Good thing I wear romeos!
6/4/2006 8:58:26 PM EDT
[#29]

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Insanity...

They'll get you, if they can't find something legit they'll make it up.

Oooh, you own a wood screw and a Glock. MACHINE GUN!

Or a shoe string! Good thing I wear romeos!



To give you an idea of the resources at their disposal, back in the 90's I was still listed as Fair Machine Company, everybody listed as a machine shop got one fly-over of a P-3 Orion with MAD boom except me that got three visits from the bird doing slow point turns around the shop, all kinds of helicopters used to fly over and C-130's and once even a visit from a F-15 Eagle.

Once when walking back to the 200 meter line a C-130 was flying by, i was temped to make a rude gesture but decided to wave freindly like instead, the someone was watching as the pilot waved back with the wings of the plane.