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5/8/2006 9:21:42 PM EDT

Some Army officials are using the force generation discussion to push for a broader review of the Guard after Iraq. They argue that the war in Iraq and natural disasters at home have shown that the Guard is not the best place for combat brigades, particularly heavy mechanized forces. Others say the Army should consider not deploying larger Guard units, and instead mixing smaller companies in with active duty organizations.

Although such voices remain a minority, the Army is trying to force the Guard to shed artillery and air defense units and convert them into military police or other combat support units. Other heavy units are to be remade into light infantry.

"A governor can't use a tank battalion," an Army official said. "The power of the National Guard in a state is boots on the ground and trucks. It is not tanks or attack helicopters."



www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-guard8may08,0,4892580.story?page=2

Have our Guard members heard any scuttlebutt?
5/9/2006 5:46:20 AM EDT
[#1]
Happens every few years.  After Desert Storm there was Aa lot of talk about getting rid of a large portion of the Guard.  David Hackworth was big supporter of changing or even eliminating the Guard.
That did happen to the Reserves.  Except for the 442nd ( the Nisei batallion from WWII), and Drill Sergeant units, there are no combat arms in the Reserves.  Some in the Regular Army want to do the same to the Guard.  Some of their arguments make sense, some is just the disdain that many Active guys have for the Guard (and I used to be one of those guys myself).
Sometimes people just can't look ahead.  They are thinking that Irak will be the only type of warfare we'll be fighting from now one.  No more large scale engagements.
We'll see.
5/9/2006 8:30:07 AM EDT
[#2]
In some ways I think it makes sense. I think that support type units would be able to maintain a higher degree of readiness and be able to deploy more quickly than combat arms units, which always need some pretty intensive training to get up to speed before deploying.
5/9/2006 9:18:52 AM EDT
[#3]
It is just another way for the Feds to overpower the states, Make all of the units Inf, or support and when it is time for the big civil war..... Roll over the States with armor and attack helo's...





5/9/2006 10:30:09 AM EDT
[#4]

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In some ways I think it makes sense. I think that support type units would be able to maintain a higher degree of readiness and be able to deploy more quickly than combat arms units, which always need some pretty intensive training to get up to speed before deploying.




Great "deduction" Gomer Pyle...Glad YOU aren't making any decisions
What about homeland defense? Geez what a
5/9/2006 10:47:21 AM EDT
[#5]

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In some ways I think it makes sense. I think that support type units would be able to maintain a higher degree of readiness and be able to deploy more quickly than combat arms units, which always need some pretty intensive training to get up to speed before deploying.




Great "deduction" Gomer Pyle...Glad YOU aren't making any decisions
What about homeland defense? Geez what a



When was the last time a heavy armor or artillery unit was called out to use their combat equipment for homeland defense? And how many of them are typically ready for immediate activation and deployment?
5/9/2006 10:50:31 AM EDT
[#6]

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When was the last time a heavy armor or artillery unit was called out to use their combat equipment for homeland defense? And how many of them are typically ready for immediate activation and deployment?



Let me get this one!...



I cant think of any, and none...
5/9/2006 12:27:17 PM EDT
[#7]

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When was the last time a heavy armor or artillery unit was called out to use their combat equipment for homeland defense? And how many of them are typically ready for immediate activation and deployment?



Let me get this one!...

I cant think of any, and none...



That's right. The Militia should have the heavy stuff. It will drive the British and Mexicans nuts.
5/9/2006 12:41:59 PM EDT
[#8]

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When was the last time a heavy armor or artillery unit was called out to use their combat equipment for homeland defense? And how many of them are typically ready for immediate activation and deployment?



Let me get this one!...

I cant think of any, and none...



That's right. The Militia should have the heavy stuff. It will drive the British, Mexicans, and Kalifornicate expatriates nuts.



Fixt.
5/9/2006 12:51:11 PM EDT
[#9]
I'm lost. Does this mean the National Guard addressed in the 2nd Amendment is going away!!! Someone better call the ACLU.

I never have understood the NG having tanks. Its not like they even used them during the last LA riot. Arrrr, load the grape shot matey, we'll clear that boulevard!!!
5/9/2006 2:00:42 PM EDT
[#10]
I was hoping the Guard members would chime in and reassure us they will have the tools they need to fight off the reconquista...
5/9/2006 2:26:32 PM EDT
[#11]

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I was hoping the Guard members would chime in and reassure us they will have the tools they need to fight off the reconquista...



Re-who?

Light Infantry Dear God please let it be true, turning in the Brads would indeed be a Godsend. Light Inf goto field pack Ruck, Draw weapon, ok done. Mech, pack ruck, pack conex, pack office equipment, pack BII, Pack brads, conduct PMCS on brads, Lord it sucks.
5/9/2006 2:41:46 PM EDT
[#12]

Quoted:

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In some ways I think it makes sense. I think that support type units would be able to maintain a higher degree of readiness and be able to deploy more quickly than combat arms units, which always need some pretty intensive training to get up to speed before deploying.




Great "deduction" Gomer Pyle...Glad YOU aren't making any decisions
What about homeland defense? Geez what a



When was the last time a heavy armor or artillery unit was called out to use their combat equipment for homeland defense? And how many of them are typically ready for immediate activation and deployment?




Oh Gomer....Go DRY your soggy "brain"
When was the last time "Amtrack" made a "profit" Go play with your choo choo....
Leave the decisions to the grown ups. BTW, I laugh at your SoCal comments. I guess it hurts you so you have to whine at your BETTERS.
5/9/2006 2:53:16 PM EDT
[#13]

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In some ways I think it makes sense. I think that support type units would be able to maintain a higher degree of readiness and be able to deploy more quickly than combat arms units, which always need some pretty intensive training to get up to speed before deploying.




Great "deduction" Gomer Pyle...Glad YOU aren't making any decisions
What about homeland defense? Geez what a



When was the last time a heavy armor or artillery unit was called out to use their combat equipment for homeland defense? And how many of them are typically ready for immediate activation and deployment?




Oh Gomer....Go DRY your soggy "brain"
When was the last time "Amtrack" made a "profit" Go play with your choo choo....
Leave the decisions to the grown ups. BTW, I laugh at your SoCal comments. I guess it hurts you so you have to whine at your BETTERS.



LOL. Amtrak has never made a profit. I guess that is your answer to the last time that any armor or artillery Reserve or Guard unit was activated for immediate homeland defense. What a weak way to deflect criticism of your position. But if it makes you feel any better, the railroad I work for is realizing record profits. Perhaps you should stick to whimpering about the rain that every informed, rational adult realizes Western Washington is known for BEFORE they decided to move here.
5/9/2006 3:18:07 PM EDT
[#14]

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In some ways I think it makes sense. I think that support type units would be able to maintain a higher degree of readiness and be able to deploy more quickly than combat arms units, which always need some pretty intensive training to get up to speed before deploying.




Great "deduction" Gomer Pyle...Glad YOU aren't making any decisions
What about homeland defense? Geez what a



When was the last time a heavy armor or artillery unit was called out to use their combat equipment for homeland defense? And how many of them are typically ready for immediate activation and deployment?




Oh Gomer....Go DRY your soggy "brain"
When was the last time "Amtrack" made a "profit" Go play with your choo choo....
Leave the decisions to the grown ups. BTW, I laugh at your SoCal comments. I guess it hurts you so you have to whine at your BETTERS.



LOL. Amtrak has never made a profit. Yeah. So you are Repeating MY STATEMENT. Genius. I guess that is your answer to the last time that any armor or artillery Reserve or Guard unit was activated for immediate homeland defense. What a weak way to deflect criticism of your position. Why? Are our armed forces a "Profit" organization or here to protect the citizens who pay for National Defense. I suppose you purchase auto insurance for fun? But if it makes you feel any better, the railroad I work for is realizing record profits. Partial government welfare, Chinese plastic toys you transport to WalMart? I'm sure it has nothing to do with your 11th grade high school DROPOUT education. Perhaps you should stick to whimpering about the rain that every informed, rational adult realizes Western Washington is known for BEFORE they decided to move here. Yeah. I NEVER HEARD or dealt with the weather here since I'd only been coming here for business for 15 years before I moved. But to a moron like you that has never BEEN anywhere but your choo choo and the outhouse in your trailer park why should I expect you to articulate anything other than trite nonsense. You truly are a first class
5/9/2006 3:23:57 PM EDT
[#15]
INBT-

5/9/2006 3:44:05 PM EDT
[#16]
I think we have a new resident
5/9/2006 3:51:36 PM EDT
[#17]

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I think we have a new resident



My the anger.
5/9/2006 4:45:37 PM EDT
[#18]

Quoted:

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In some ways I think it makes sense. I think that support type units would be able to maintain a higher degree of readiness and be able to deploy more quickly than combat arms units, which always need some pretty intensive training to get up to speed before deploying.




Great "deduction" Gomer Pyle...Glad YOU aren't making any decisions
What about homeland defense? Geez what a



When was the last time a heavy armor or artillery unit was called out to use their combat equipment for homeland defense? And how many of them are typically ready for immediate activation and deployment?




Oh Gomer....Go DRY your soggy "brain"
When was the last time "Amtrack" made a "profit" Go play with your choo choo....
Leave the decisions to the grown ups. BTW, I laugh at your SoCal comments. I guess it hurts you so you have to whine at your BETTERS.



LOL. Amtrak has never made a profit.



Yeah. So you are Repeating MY STATEMENT. Genius.



No, I was simply answering your question, even though in your enlightened state your forgot to properly punctuate it with a question mark.


Originally Posted By 1GunnerHogan1

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I guess that is your answer to the last time that any armor or artillery Reserve or Guard unit was activated for immediate homeland defense. What a weak way to deflect criticism of your position.



Why? Are our armed forces a "Profit" organization or here to protect the citizens who pay for National Defense. I suppose you purchase auto insurance for fun?



Amtrak should have to make a business case for itself or wither on the vine, as far as I am concerned. That was a pretty poor analogy. I see no parallel between Amtrak and our armed forces other than little would change if the Empire Builder quit running or Guard units were converted to more light infantry and support type units.

You still haven't addressed the point about the typical combat readiness of Guard/Reserve units. The fact is that they are not usually ready to spring into action. I simply noted this and that support units would quite likely be more easily activated and deployable.


Originally Posted By 1GunnerHogan1

Originally Posted By Boomer
But if it makes you feel any better, the railroad I work for is realizing record profits.



Partial government welfare, Chinese plastic toys you transport to WalMart? I'm sure it has nothing to do with your 11th grade high school DROPOUT education.



Yeah, I'm sure it has nothing to do with the vast commodities we haul or the properly trained and certified employees that operate, repair, and maintain the equipment and physical plant.


Originally Posted By 1GunnerHogan1

Originally Posted By Boomer
Perhaps you should stick to whimpering about the rain that every informed, rational adult realizes Western Washington is known for BEFORE they decided to move here.



Yeah. I NEVER HEARD or dealt with the weather here since I'd only been coming here for business for 15 years before I moved. But to a moron like you that has never BEEN anywhere but your choo choo and the outhouse in your trailer park why should I expect you to articulate anything other than trite nonsense.



So you hated the weather here but still moved here. Or had to move here. That must be some career you've got going.

Considering my choo choo system spans over half the country and into Canada, I guess the odds of me having seen a pretty good cross section of it are pretty good. Oddly enough, when I worked in Texas I expected the summers to hot, when I worked in Minnesota I expected the winters to be brutal, and I didn't bother the natives bitching and moaning about it.

And speaking of trite nonsense, perhaps you should try sticking to the topic of the thread rather than attempting to deflect criticism of your inane comments.



You truly are first class.



Why thank you.
5/9/2006 5:01:34 PM EDT
[#19]
1GunnerHogan1, don't get my thread locked.

5/9/2006 5:49:52 PM EDT
[#20]

Other heavy units are to be remade into light infantry.
Yeah!  Light is right!
5/9/2006 6:23:50 PM EDT
[#21]

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Other heavy units are to be remade into light infantry.
Yeah!  Light is right!



How was lock down? Or is that this week?
5/9/2006 6:41:59 PM EDT
[#22]
Turns out my Brigade Sergeant Major was mistaken, and it wasn't under lockdown.  I am, however, quite confident that I won the competition.  We'll see in a month!
5/9/2006 7:03:26 PM EDT
[#23]
Well, the Washington Air National Guard has radios, routers, switches, KC-135Rs and shit.
5/9/2006 8:49:55 PM EDT
[#24]

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Well, the Washington Air National Guard has radios, routers, switches, KC-135Rs and shit.



That would be support equipment. It can be used to set up both tactical and emergency communications infrastructure.

We can fill the KC-135s with unleaded and park them at the airport.
5/10/2006 10:26:02 AM EDT
[#25]

Quoted: When was the last time a heavy armor or artillery unit was called out to use their combat equipment for homeland defense? And how many of them are typically ready for immediate activation and deployment?

And how many Regular Army Artillery and Armor units are doing foot patrols in Iraq right now, playing at a pseudo/crypto Light Infantry/Military Police role?  Go rent "Gunner's Palace."

One thing I learned in my Army career, if you listen to all the rumors about "We oughta do this/that/the other thing" regarding services or units... well, stock up on tin foil, you're going to run through a lot of beanies.  Every two or three years someone says "We oughta get rid of MPs." And every Field Grade Osifer who hates getting pulled over for speeding my a PFC chimes in.  
About as often some congresscritter's aide says "You know, it's just not economical to have a Marine Corps, why not absorb the ground component into the Army, and the airdales into the Air Farce?"
And Senator Plushnbottom is now looking for a new aide, to replace the one who just got crucified at 8th and I...
5/10/2006 10:27:48 AM EDT
[#26]

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Light Infantry Dear God please let it be true, turning in the Brads would indeed be a Godsend. Light Inf goto field pack Ruck, Draw weapon, ok done. Mech, pack ruck, service brads pack conex, bust track pack office equipment, wash tracks pack BII, Pack brads, conduct PMCS on brads, Lord it sucks.



Fixed!
5/10/2006 10:51:44 AM EDT
[#27]

Quoted:
In some ways I think it makes sense. I think that support type units would be able to maintain a higher degree of readiness and be able to deploy more quickly than combat arms units, which always need some pretty intensive training to get up to speed before deploying.



Acually not as much training as most would think.  Our actual train-up was only a month prior to being deployed t Iraq.  It was actually less than some active units.  We spent almost 3 months receiving/serviceing/packing and re-packing all the new equipment we received prior to deployment.  Now as we are designated as a combined arms battalion (CAB) we can deploy as a battalion element and not as a brigade size force.  
5/10/2006 12:03:50 PM EDT
[#28]

Quoted:

Quoted: When was the last time a heavy armor or artillery unit was called out to use their combat equipment for homeland defense? And how many of them are typically ready for immediate activation and deployment?

And how many Regular Army Artillery and Armor units are doing foot patrols in Iraq right now, playing at a pseudo/crypto Light Infantry/Military Police role?  Go rent "Gunner's Palace."

One thing I learned in my Army career, if you listen to all the rumors about "We oughta do this/that/the other thing" regarding services or units... well, stock up on tin foil, you're going to run through a lot of beanies.  Every two or three years someone says "We oughta get rid of MPs." And every Field Grade Osifer who hates getting pulled over for speeding my a PFC chimes in.  
About as often some congresscritter's aide says "You know, it's just not economical to have a Marine Corps, why not absorb the ground component into the Army, and the airdales into the Air Farce?"
And Senator Plushnbottom is now looking for a new aide, to replace the one who just got crucified at 8th and I...



Yep. DW Drang is right on. But Gomer thinks he knows everything.
5/10/2006 12:28:58 PM EDT
[#29]

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Yep. DW Drang is right on. But Gomer thinks he knows everything.



What makes you the " All knowing" all of the sudden?...

Boomer was in the Guard, and so was I...I think his point was very valid.
5/10/2006 12:41:53 PM EDT
[#30]

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Yep. DW Drang is right on. But Gomer thinks he knows everything.


What makes you the " All knowing" all of the sudden?...
Boomer was in the Guard, and so was I...I think his point was very valid.



I happen to disagree with both of you. So what? DW Drang's comments were right on the money.
I guess that this is an "issue" with you. Thats OK. You don't like my comments about BUTT PIRATE SNIPER aka Mr. SNS Industries as well. I've gotten NOTHING but shit from Boomer since my VERY first post here in the WAHTF and I think he is a prick. Nonetheless, this is America and even a jackass like him has his free speech.
5/10/2006 12:56:35 PM EDT
[#31]
IMable