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5/7/2006 1:30:58 AM EDT
My wife wants to  move here when I retire. What are the knife laws, i.e. while hiking, traveling in a car, ect.?
5/7/2006 7:28:55 AM EDT
[#1]

My wife wants to move here when I retire. What are the knife laws, i.e. while hiking, traveling in a car, ect.?


One problem is that while WA has firearms preemption, there is nothing similar in the area of knives.  So you have to check the laws for the state AND various areas in which you'll be.

Switchblades and gravity knives are illegal statewide and open carry of a fixed blade would probably get you unwanted attention from the law downtown in Seattle.  Out hiking, I"m not sure.

The local laws can be goofy.  Seattle bans folding knives with blades over 3 1/2 inches in length.  I looked up Issaquah when I was going there for an Insights class and they have some sort of law against carrying some knoves into liquor stores.

Are there specific areas you're interested in?
5/7/2006 12:23:26 PM EDT
[#2]
I assume that your wife wants to carry a blade for self protection and wants to know what the legaities are in case she had to use it. as donbcivil mentioned the laws are amibiguous and it all depends on what city or town you are in. The bottom line is that switch bades & gravity knives are illegal by state law. However I would recomend an assisted opening blade such as the SOG Flash II. It is as close to a switch balde as you can get and still be legal. Secondly if a woman uses a knife in self defense she is automatically given a freeby in court at least for the first time as long as it is a clear cut case of self defense. Even if her blade might have been illegal in a municipal juristiction and she didn't violate state law a jury will usually give that person a walk. There is a certain thing called the disparrage of force doctorine where it is assumed that a man is physically stronger than a woman so it is allowable for a woman to use more force if necessarry to defend herself. I must also state that I am not giving legal advice here. This is just stuff that we talked about then I took a defensive folding knife class from Insights Training Academy. I would highly recomend that you and your wife take that class too.
5/7/2006 1:10:20 PM EDT
[#3]
She wants to move toBainbridge island but I was thinking more on the line of carrying my Becker BK7 when I am in the woods state wide. I had seen a knife law saying all knives over 3 1/2 inches were illegal. I wanted to check with people there though before I got upset. I do not want to give up a couple of the bigger knives as they have sentimental value to me.

Also I am going to get my concealed carry when we get back there. I am bummed they do not allow Class 3 or SBR's there. I want a silencer for my M4. It scares me to think what the laws will take a change in the next 4 years before I retire. I told her I will not give up my guns for anyone.

Thanks for the info. I truley appreciate it.
5/7/2006 3:37:12 PM EDT
[#4]
You can get a suppresor, but........ you cannot use it.
5/7/2006 3:43:18 PM EDT
[#5]

Also I am going to get my concealed carry when we get back there.


Have her get a concealed carry permit too and it won't matter as much what kind of knife she can carry, because it will only be a back up for the gun.
5/7/2006 6:28:27 PM EDT
[#6]
You'll have to check each city and county law to be sure.  For example, Seattle, Tacoma, and the city of SeaTac (yes there is a city called SeaTac- it's where the SeaTac airport is located, I;ve found that even some residents don't know there's a city with the same name.) ban folders over 3.5 inches, and Tacoma bans fixed blade knives of any length.  There are exemptions for open carry if a job required item like a linoleum cutting knife, but that's about it.
5/7/2006 9:12:05 PM EDT
[#7]

Quoted:
You'll have to check each city and county law to be sure.  For example, Seattle, Tacoma, and the city of SeaTac (yes there is a city called SeaTac- it's where the SeaTac airport is located, I;ve found that even some residents don't know there's a city with the same name.) ban folders over 3.5 inches, and Tacoma bans fixed blade knives of any length.  There are exemptions for open carry if a job required item like a linoleum cutting knife, but that's about it.



I'm pretty sure Seattle bans fixed blades as well.

ETA: +1 for the Insights Defensive Folding Blade class (as well as their other offerings).
5/7/2006 9:28:24 PM EDT
[#8]
I hate these bullshit laws.  Can you own a kitchen knife? I will not give up my goods. She was now talking about Lake View? Will have to check out the class, I was telling her about it and she wants to do it.
5/7/2006 9:41:02 PM EDT
[#9]

Quoted:
I hate these bullshit laws.  Can you own a kitchen knife? I will not give up my goods. She was now talking about Lake View? Will have to check out the class, I was telling her about it and she wants to do it.




Funny... I was just thinking about that.   What were these morons thinking when banning fixed blade knives of any length?   So what dowe use for eating???    It means restaurants are breaking the law???  
5/7/2006 9:46:12 PM EDT
[#10]
Calm down.

When speaking about fixed blade knives the Seattle Municipal code doesn't ban ownership of them





A. "Dangerous knife" means any fixed-blade knife and any other knife
having a blade more than three and one-half inches (3 1/2") in length.

B. "Fixed-blade knife" means any knife, regardless of blade length,
with a blade which is permanently open and does not fold, retract or
slide into the handle of the knife, and includes any dagger, sword,
bayonet, bolo knife, hatchet, axe, straight-edged razor, or razor
blade not in a package, dispenser or shaving appliance.




SMC 12A.14.075

Unlawful use of weapons to intimidate another.

A. A person is guilty of unlawful use of weapons to intimidate another if he or she carries, exhibits, displays or draws a dangerous knife, any knife with a blade that is open for use or a deadly weapon other than a firearm in a manner, under circumstances, and at a time and place that either manifests an intent to intimidate another person or warrants alarm for the safety of other persons.

B. Subsection A of this section shall not apply to or affect the following:

1. Any person who by virtue of his or her office or public employment is vested by law with a duty to preserve public safety, maintain public order, or make arrests for offenses, while in the performance of such duty;

2. Any person acting for the purpose of protecting himself or herself against the use of presently threatened unlawful force by another, or for the purpose of protecting another against the use of presently threatened unlawful force by a third person;

3. Any person making or assisting in making a lawful arrest for the commission of a felony;

4. Any person engaged in military activities sponsored by the federal or state governments; or

5. Any act committed by a person while in his or her place of abode or fixed place of business.

C. A person convicted of unlawful use of weapons to intimidate another shall lose his or her concealed pistol license, if any, and the court shall send notice of the conviction to the Washington State Department of Licensing and the city, town or county which issued the license.

SMC 12A.14.080

Unlawful use of weapons.

It is unlawful for a person knowingly to:

A. Sell, manufacture, purchase, possess or carry any blackjack, sand-club, metal knuckles, switchblade knife, chako sticks, or throwing stars; or

B. Carry concealed or unconcealed on his or her person any dangerous knife, or carry concealed on his or her person any deadly weapon other than a firearm; or


C. Possess a firearm in any stadium or convention center operated by a city, county or other municipality, except that such restriction shall not apply to:

1. Any pistol in the possession of a person licensed under RCW 9.41.070 or exempt from the licensing requirement by RCW 9.41.060, or

2. Any showing, demonstration or lecture involving the exhibition of firearms.

D. Sell or give away to any person under eighteen (18) years of age any dangerous knife or deadly weapon other than a firearm, or for any person under eighteen (18) years of age to purchase any dangerous knife or deadly weapon other than a firearm, or for any person under eighteen (18) years of age to possess any dangerous knife or deadly weapon other than a firearm except when under the direct supervision of an adult.

SMC 12A.14.100

Exemptions -- Dangerous knives.

The proscriptions of Section 12A.14.080 B relating to dangerous knives shall not apply to:

A. A licensed hunter or licensed fisherman actively engaged in hunting and fishing activity including education and travel related thereto; or

B. Any person immediately engaged in an activity related to a lawful occupation which commonly requires the use of such knife, provided such knife is carried unconcealed; provided further that a dangerous knife carried openly in a sheath suspended from the waist of the person is not concealed within the meaning of this subsection;

C. Any person carrying such knife in a secure wrapper or in a tool box while traveling from the place of purchase, from or to a place of repair, or from or to such person's home or place of business, or in moving from one (1) place of abode or business to another, or while in such person's place of abode or fixed place of business.

5/7/2006 9:52:16 PM EDT
[#11]

Quoted:
I hate these bullshit laws.  Can you own a kitchen knife? I will not give up my goods. She was now talking about Lake View? Will have to check out the class, I was telling her about it and she wants to do it.



Here's a link for the knife class.
www.insightstraining.com/view_course.asp?courseID=5&categoryID=4