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2/8/2005 11:23:03 AM EDT
I've been looking at all the various maps and gazettes I have and can find not one trail that goes
by the shooting areas above the lower pit that has been closed for some time. Just how did Fiends
of the Trail get the county council to close the area? Am I missing something?  I mean if you look at
the shooting and fishing sports (along with the skiers driving by) they bring a lot of money into the area.
What do the hikers bring in, in terms of money. Most of the people I see on the trails have REI, North Face,
etc. labels on their stuff. And I haven't seen an REI in Monroe or Sultan.

It also seems the closure is not enforced and ignored by lots of people. Last time I was up that way I
must have seen 50 people shooting in the closed area. So what's the real story here? Seems to me like
the county could spend a couple thousand, do a little bulldozing and cleanup and have some great shooting
ranges. They could even put a use fee on the range and make a bit.
2/8/2005 11:41:38 AM EDT
[#1]
You are 100% correct about there not being any trails close by, What Friends of the trail did, was mount a huge amount of time on cleaning up after Illegal dumping and putting the brunt of the blame on the shooters because what better place to dump garbage then a nice wide area off the roadway that not one goes to at night?...

Now I spent lots of time out there cleaning up and a lot of it was shooters that were pigs, but most of the trash was from the 4X4 people that would camp along the shooting areas at night and leave all of their Beer bottles and trash behind while tearing up the area trying to do hill climb shit,( dont get me wrong, I think it sounds like fun, but Reiter pit is where you goto do that stuff, not along the basin rd where there are no 4x4 area's) Then there were the weekley people that were to cheap to pay the $17.00 dump fee for the dump that was right out of town. Since the DNR dont take control of the roadway and leaves it up to the county to maintain, DNR gave the choice to close down the area to the Sno Co board. So a group from King Co gets to come in and tell Sno Co what to do with State land. They are now hitting very hard on teh Cedar ponds area, and when they get that done ( and they will) there will no common places left in this area to shoot...I have a couple spots that I shoot at now, and I dont share, I dont tell.  If you want to go, you can go with me, but that is the only way you are going to find them. I clean up after myself, and they are nice, but kinda of a pain to get to.  

Make no mistake Friends of the Trail are rabid Anti-gunners, they just use the trail thing to get more attention. I have had the main guy ( cant remmember his name right now) in my face, and tried to be cool with him. He is a 2 faced silver tongue devil, He had the county both king and Snohomish along with the DNR in his pocket...He is also the same guy that wants a Ammo Tax by the round and the funds to go to his group.

The basin rd is enforced, but due to the lack of deputies in the area, it will take a while to get to you. A little known secret among the LE crowd also is....

There is no law along the Basin rd after dark. They will go if they have to, but they will not go alone


If any of you guys see Friends of the trail kicking up in your area, get ready for a fight...only 3 people show'd up in Sno Co and I think myself  DaBunny and maybe less then 6 others even wrote letters.


As for your comment about the county turning it into a great range...

That is how it all started, they trucked in tons of rock, and were getting ready to turn it into a huge but simple range area with part for the Sheriffs office...

Then the libs on the board out number'd and got the votes the next session to  cut the funding just before the middle of the project, and another animal rights group threw a fit.... ( notice a pattern here on who is fighting, and who is not?)

I was kinda young when that was in the works, and my facts may be a little off, but Im willing to bet STRAT could fill you in a little more in the early goings
2/8/2005 1:01:39 PM EDT
[#2]
Friends of trails/ I hate those assholes
2/8/2005 1:03:07 PM EDT
[#3]

Quoted:
Friends of trails/ I hate those assholes

Several of there members are also  members of ceasfire.
2/8/2005 11:16:42 PM EDT
[#4]

Quoted:

Several of there members are also  members of ceasfire.




Do you have a place I can look this up?, I would like to be able to use it in future E-mails if it can be proven...
2/9/2005 6:15:24 AM EDT
[#5]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Several of there members are also  members of ceasfire.




Do you have a place I can look this up?, I would like to be able to use it in future E-mails if it can be proven...

I Read a article in a local paper most likley  seattle times a few years ago. The late president of ceasefire
tom wales was profiled and had a pic of him out cleaning up with freinds of trails. I will do some research and see what i can find. I would really like a membership list of ceasfire and compare it
to friends  of trails list but i cannot find any member lists  for ceasefire
2/9/2005 11:58:29 PM EDT
[#6]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:

Several of there members are also  members of ceasfire.




Do you have a place I can look this up?, I would like to be able to use it in future E-mails if it can be proven...

I Read a article in a local paper most likley  seattle times a few years ago. The late president of ceasefire
tom wales was profiled and had a pic of him out cleaning up with freinds of trails. I will do some research and see what i can find. I would really like a membership list of ceasfire and compare it
to friends  of trails list but i cannot find any member lists  for ceasefire



Im thinking of joining both groups.....
2/10/2005 1:08:25 AM EDT
[#7]


Oh goodie!! A spy in their midst!!
2/10/2005 1:10:26 AM EDT
[#8]

Quoted:


Oh goodie!! A spy in their midst!!




Not really a spy. I just would like to be able to add that membership title to my E-mails.


2/10/2005 1:11:29 AM EDT
[#9]

Quoted:

Quoted:


Oh goodie!! A spy in their midst!!




Not really a spy. I just would like to be able to add that membership title to my E-mails.





Riiiiiiiiiiiiiight....
2/10/2005 6:05:17 AM EDT
[#10]
Me 2.
2/10/2005 8:23:01 AM EDT
[#11]
Both Washington Ceasefire and Friends Of The trail say they are a nonprofit organizations. As such, are they required to make their records public?
2/10/2005 8:29:12 AM EDT
[#12]
Look at Friends Of The Trail's board of directors:



Chair of the Board:   Alan Sinsel, King County Parks and Recreation          

President and Executive Director:   Wade Holden        

Vice President:  Ken Konigsmark, Boeing; Issaquah  Alps Trails Club

Secretary / Treasurer:  Tania Holden,  City of Snoqualmie

Mark Boyar, Middle Fork Recreation Coalition    

Doug McClelland, King District Manager, Washington Dept. of Natural Resources

Steve Goldstein, Snohomish County Public Works, Solid Waste Division    

Paul Carkeek, Consultant, Government Operations, Environmental Planning and

                                    Land Use Regulations          

Steve Drew, Issaquah Alps Trails Club        

Eric Gellert, Legal Assistant      

Charles Bagley, Retired Physician



Looks like they've got some people with inside connections.
2/10/2005 8:35:43 AM EDT
[#13]
And ther "Friends of Friends Of The Trail:



·          King County Court System-Judge Mary Ann Ottinger

·          WA Kayak Club

·          Department of Corrections- Vandy George, Retired

·          Washington Department of Natural Resources- Doug McClelland, King District Manager; Bonnie Bunning, Regional Manager.

·          Mountains To Sound Greenway- Nancy Keith, Executive Director

·          King County Road Services Division, Harold Tanaguchi, Manager

·          Washington State Department of Ecology

·          Issaquah Alps Trail Club- Ken Konigmark, Vice President

·          MidFORC- Mark Boyar

·          King County Department of Public Safety- Dave Germani, Sergeant

·          Washington State Parks and Recreation Commission- Cleve Pinnix, Retired

·          King County Solid Waste Division– Theresa Jennings, Director

·          United States Forest Service- Shane Wyrsch, Law Enforcement Officer

·          King County Council

·          King County Water and Land Resources Division-  Kirk Anderson, Snoqualmie Watershed Coordinator / Basin Steward.

·          King County Executive- Ron Sims

·          Sierra Club- Mark Lawler, Chair, Cascade Chapter

·          Recreational Equipment, Inc.

·          National Forest Foundation

·          The Mountaineers Foundation

·          Robin Bookey, Front Street Web



AND A BIG WTF???



·          Snoqualmie Valley Rifle Club



These fuckers are really complicit in shutting down public shooting areas???
2/10/2005 9:40:32 AM EDT
[#14]

Quoted:


Make no mistake Friends of the Trail are rabid Anti-gunners, they just use the trail thing to get more attention. I have had the main guy ( cant remmember his name right now) in my face, and tried to be cool with him. He is a 2 faced silver tongue devil, He had the county both king and Snohomish along with the DNR in his pocket...He is also the same guy that wants a Ammo Tax by the round and the funds to go to his group.


I Think the guy youre talking about is wade holden. I could not find any more information
on ceasfire/tom wales  but i did read a article about friends of trails getting the sultan basin shut down and wade
holden was on a rampage calling all the shooters out at the pit punks and stoners. I would link it
but i do not know how.