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1/21/2014 6:17:47 PM EDT
This is my 35 yard target: Below the red was shot by an old timer retired full bird whom I let have a go, the rest was me on or above the red.


This what I'm seeking advice for, do I need to tighten the groups, or was it the bullet drop at that distance?




1/21/2014 7:14:42 PM EDT
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I'm not sure what you're asking me here. Do you need to tighten the groups? Yes - that is always the answer to that particular question. And from what I'm assuming are all shots by handguns (due to bullet profile and noted distances) and shot by what I'll assume are right-handed shooters, the low left impacts are from trigger jerk and trigger curl (read: trigger control).

Where was your point of aim? I'll assume red, but want to confirm that.
1/21/2014 7:16:19 PM EDT
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I'd like to tighten them, and my POA was at the 9 above the red to compensate for bullet drop.
1/21/2014 8:53:19 PM EDT
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It is near impossible for me to assess what you are currently doing and how to improve that without seeing you shoot. Generally speaking, the issues that most people face are proper front sight focus and trigger compression - it really comes down to mental control.
1/23/2014 11:08:57 AM EDT
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I'm pretty sure OP has me on ignore, but maybe take one of Rizzo's classes?



I mean he makes a living instructing, he might be able to give some better advice first-hand, and with you actually PAYING him.




http://bit.ly/1l29XKb
1/23/2014 1:09:51 PM EDT
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I'm not Rizzo, but I'd just aim for the middle if I was you.
1/23/2014 5:32:14 PM EDT
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http://www.bullseyepistol.com/training.htm
Have a pro like rizzo instruct you. Its worth it. Its only you and your family's life your protecting. Nbd
1/23/2014 6:37:43 PM EDT
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1/23/2014 7:08:31 PM EDT
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Is shooting defensive pistol at 35 and 50 yards something that is part of most training courses? I'm not saying that that is not a good skill to have but aren't most self defense shootings within bad breath distance? Just seems like a waste of ammo training for tight groups at those distances.
1/23/2014 9:15:42 PM EDT
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without seeing it in person or shooting the gun

you might also need to drift your sight a bit to move your impact to the right ..

but its most likely a shooter error that is pushing them consistantly..
1/23/2014 9:18:30 PM EDT
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1/23/2014 10:38:32 PM EDT
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Must be shooting a Sig
1/23/2014 11:25:56 PM EDT
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Shit, that's Glock groupings if ive ever seen em

SIG's are a gift from Thor himself, all men know this.
1/24/2014 1:51:18 PM EDT
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you are looking at less than 2" of drop @ 50m with your 'standard' 9mm...dont even worry about it.

as stated above...front sight focus, trigger press, and follow through....
1/24/2014 5:31:41 PM EDT
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Based on that fact that TWO shooters grouped the same distance to the left, you might want to adjust your sights.  Or, its a trigger pull issue.
1/29/2014 11:11:04 AM EDT
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If you're a lefty, might be using too much finger??
1/29/2014 11:46:54 AM EDT
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depress the trigger with with whatever finger you want with whatever finger part you want, and if you maintain a good front site focus,  trigger press,  and follow thru,  you will make your hits...  
1/30/2014 11:07:18 AM EDT
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Shit, that's Glock groupings if ive ever seen em

SIG's are a gift from Thor himself, all men know this.
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Shit, that's Glock groupings if ive ever seen em

SIG's are a gift from Thor himself, all men know this.

With my glock 17 I could tag the bell 85% of the time at 100 yards (man target with 8" round bell in heart position).  

I picked up a 1911 officers after that got stolen (only thing available) and on my first run I did really bad... I defiantly need some rizzo training.... or at least get to the range more.

Richard


1/30/2014 11:46:30 AM EDT
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Well said.
1/30/2014 4:52:24 PM EDT
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Shit, that's Glock groupings if ive ever seen em

SIG's are a gift from Thor himself, all men know this.
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Shit, that's Glock groupings if ive ever seen em

SIG's are a gift from Thor himself, all men know this.


Cause Everyone Knows Thor loved his hammer Mjolnir! So the Sig must have been fashioned in its image! A big hunk of STEEL for pounding nails!
I kid. I kid.
1/31/2014 12:31:50 AM EDT
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Cause Everyone Knows Thor loved his hammer Mjolnir! So the Sig must have been fashioned in its image! A big hunk of STEEL for pounding nails!
I kid. I kid.
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Shit, that's Glock groupings if ive ever seen em

SIG's are a gift from Thor himself, all men know this.


Cause Everyone Knows Thor loved his hammer Mjolnir! So the Sig must have been fashioned in its image! A big hunk of STEEL for pounding nails!
I kid. I kid.


Mjolnir was created by the finest craftsman Brokkr and Sindri and never misses its target when Thor wields it, so yes, I would say SIG's are modeled in its image .  SIG's are also well known for their ability to take down Jotnar/Frost giants.
2/1/2014 10:01:52 PM EDT
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This.  And bullet drop at 35 yards?  you throwing the bullets, or shooting them out of the barrel.  No such thing at that range.