Posted: 11/22/2013 5:39:38 AM EDT
| Not sure what most of you think, but having dealt with CPS through having a foster child in my home as well as knowing a few workers, what a terrible run agency, not that most government agencies are run any better anymore, but they are really bad. I do believe they are a critical component in some cases as some people treat other humans as objects and not the human beings they are. Its just too bad a bunch of kids have to suffer over political BS. I wish we could deal with these individuals as they should be on our own, but of course thats just wishing, it will never happen. |
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Everything is relative. We tend to live in a bubble and only look at things from the narrowest field of view. If I were a child living in Somalia, Afghanistan, Haiti, Cambodia or maybe even Siberia, maybe I'd think I wished I had the other kids problem.
This ain't Star Trek. Life is a box of chocolates. I also have no clue what scandal you're talking about. The only one I heard of was the kid chained to a railing wearing a dead chicken necklace. If I was living in Somalia, I might have eaten the dead chicken. It's all relative. Maybe this is what you're talking about? http://www.azcentral.com/news/politics/articles/20131121arizona-child-protective-services-crisis-deepens.html How many of those investigated cases are of the nature of someone not liking what a kid was wearing? One would have to look at what is defined as abuse complaint. That could be anything these days. |
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Everything is relative. We tend to live in a bubble and only look at things from the narrowest field of view. If I were a child living in Somalia, Afghanistan, Haiti, Cambodia or maybe even Siberia, maybe I'd think I wished I had the other kids problem. This ain't Star Trek. Life is a box of chocolates. I also have no clue what scandal you're talking about. The only one I heard of was the kid chained to a railing wearing a dead chicken necklace. If I was living in Somalia, I might have eaten the dead chicken. It's all relative. Maybe this is what you're talking about? http://www.azcentral.com/news/politics/articles/20131121arizona-child-protective-services-crisis-deepens.html How many of those investigated cases are of the nature of someone not liking what a kid was wearing? One would have to look at what is defined as abuse complaint. That could be anything these days. Ok scandal was the wrong way to word it. I guess I should of said issues or something. As far as it being relative then whats the difference in complaing about states that restrict guns and mags, etc. I could say I would rather live in California or New York when it comes to firearms as opposed to places like Britain or Australia. Doesnt mean cause one place is for the worse we should except lesser standards and be ok with it. But thats what this country is doing right now and your analogy supports that. It would be like saying " They have no guns over there so mag restrictions, microstamping, etc. is better than no guns so its ok." Bullshit! We have different standards here because we as a society know better and right from wrong and what is logical and what is not. Read on what is going on. No its not a report about people reporting kids wearing the wrong clothes its about serious reports of abuse being uninvestigated as state law dictates they will be. eta: fixed the post title |
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there is a fine line between the state being able to save children from bad people and straight up owning your children. We can't save everyone without sacrificing a fucking LOT of freedom that Im not willing to give up. 99 percent of serious cases get dealt with best we can. Im not letting the state violate mine or anyone elses rights as parents and citizens to get that other one percent. You can wave that "one child is too many" crap in someone elses face. Im not buying it. |
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there is a fine line between the state being able to save children from bad people and straight up owning your children. We can't save everyone without sacrificing a fucking LOT of freedom that Im not willing to give up. 99 percent of serious cases get dealt with best we can. Im not letting the state violate mine or anyone elses rights as parents and citizens to get that other one percent. You can wave that "one child is too many" crap in someone elses face. Im not buying it. I agree about not giving up rights, but doesn't mean the agency shouldn't be doing what our tax dollars say it should be doing. Kinda like ADOT taking care of roads and such or any other group of government. I'm not for more laws just enforcement of what's in place and them doing there job. Like I stated before, I've dealt with them and they are terrible. I'm I surprised by bad government, no. Just ranting about what seems to be the norm these days. |
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Quoted: I agree about not giving up rights, but doesn't mean the agency shouldn't be doing what our tax dollars say it should be doing. Kinda like ADOT taking care of roads and such or any other group of government. I'm not for more laws just enforcement of what's in place and them doing there job. Like I stated before, I've dealt with them and they are terrible. I'm I surprised by bad government, no. Just ranting about what seems to be the norm these days. Quoted: Quoted: there is a fine line between the state being able to save children from bad people and straight up owning your children. We can't save everyone without sacrificing a fucking LOT of freedom that Im not willing to give up. 99 percent of serious cases get dealt with best we can. Im not letting the state violate mine or anyone elses rights as parents and citizens to get that other one percent. You can wave that "one child is too many" crap in someone elses face. Im not buying it. I agree about not giving up rights, but doesn't mean the agency shouldn't be doing what our tax dollars say it should be doing. Kinda like ADOT taking care of roads and such or any other group of government. I'm not for more laws just enforcement of what's in place and them doing there job. Like I stated before, I've dealt with them and they are terrible. I'm I surprised by bad government, no. Just ranting about what seems to be the norm these days. |
| The one thing about CPS that I will say, it's one job I'd never do. We had neighbors who did it and the wife quit after 6 months. The husband stuck it out for a few years but quit to become a bus driver. From them, they know what's right and wrong, but the buracracuy forces their hands. The stories he would hint at made me want to puke. How anyone does that for a career confounds me. First case of sheer abuse or sexual assault and I'd kill someone. Lotta hate about CPS here, I get that, but given what those folks see and do, I'm glad someone besides me is on the clock there. |
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Quoted: The one thing about CPS that I will say, it's one job I'd never do. We had neighbors who did it and the wife quit after 6 months. The husband stuck it out for a few years but quit to become a bus driver. From them, they know what's right and wrong, but the buracracuy forces their hands. The stories he would hint at made me want to puke. How anyone does that for a career confounds me. First case of sheer abuse or sexual assault and I'd kill someone. Lotta hate about CPS here, I get that, but given what those folks see and do, I'm glad someone besides me is on the clock there. |
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The one thing about CPS that I will say, it's one job I'd never do. We had neighbors who did it and the wife quit after 6 months. The husband stuck it out for a few years but quit to become a bus driver. From them, they know what's right and wrong, but the buracracuy forces their hands. The stories he would hint at made me want to puke. How anyone does that for a career confounds me. First case of sheer abuse or sexual assault and I'd kill someone. Lotta hate about CPS here, I get that, but given what those folks see and do, I'm glad someone besides me is on the clock there. That's part of the problem, nobody worth a damn stays. Very high turnover rate, coupled with terrible bureaucracy that doesn't support the ones doing it right. |
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i have no hate for employees that have to deal with that crap. i can guarantee you none of these issues are due to lack of funding or authority though whoch is what the agency will propose as a solution . thats what government does because when its "for the children" they can get away with wasting time and money and nobody will dig deep enough to find real solutions out of fear of being accused of attacking the "childrens programs" Quoted:
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The one thing about CPS that I will say, it's one job I'd never do. We had neighbors who did it and the wife quit after 6 months. The husband stuck it out for a few years but quit to become a bus driver. From them, they know what's right and wrong, but the buracracuy forces their hands. The stories he would hint at made me want to puke. How anyone does that for a career confounds me. First case of sheer abuse or sexual assault and I'd kill someone. Lotta hate about CPS here, I get that, but given what those folks see and do, I'm glad someone besides me is on the clock there. They'll throw money at it but won't fix it. They've tried this before and just point fingers at whose head will roll. CPS views things like the poor as automatically being bad parents due to lack of modern luxuries. The whole culture at CPS is screwed up. It needs a restart top to bottom. |
| I just just saw this post just before bed. I happened to be in here as I need to get the hell out of Michigan. So I am trying to decide if I should go to Texas or to Arizona. Will reed the article in the am. I just had a nother run in with CPS up here. My two sons have given my Wife and I hell since we have been together. My wife is thier step mom. They have tried to break me and my wife since we have been married and I dont get it. My wife has done so much for my kids. Their mom was never around. They have been minupulitive, lying children and between my ex and my parents, they know they can play everyone.. My oldest son left to go live with my ex a few years back. Now he smokes dope and never graduated. Now my youngest seeing the stuff my oldest son gets away with just keeps acting out. We got in a huge arguement yesterday where he refused to do anything and he got physical with us. Now we have put up with a lot of crap from the school system(different conversation). My son goes to school to get attention said we were beating him. So we had CPS over. Before that he would spend his lunch money on stuff other than lunch. Teachers were seeing him not eat. They asked him why and he told them we dont feed him.So they called CPS. I have had it, he going to his moms Friday. Im just dumbfounded. We have always tried to raise the kids right, but I guess when they have somewhere else to go so they can be lazy they will want to leave. Im very upset about this situation. |