[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Incident at SCG (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 8/25/2012 4:30:01 PM EDT
| Anyone know what happened at scottsdale gun club today? I was there buying something and got kicked out. I heard that someone shot them self. When I walked outside there were police and fire and paramedics outside. I wanted to stay but I had to get home. |
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In the short 14 months or so that I've been here, I think they have had at least one per quarter. Time to change policy, guys. There are things you can do to mitigate the chances that this shit happens on your property. It is a black eye on the management of the business that so many people choose to off themselves there. SGC = Suicide Gun Club; memberships are non-refundable. |
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In the short 14 months or so that I've been here, I think they have had at least one per quarter. Time to change policy, guys. There are things you can do to mitigate the chances that this shit happens on your property. It is a black eye on the management of the business that so many people choose to off themselves there. SGC = Suicide Gun Club; memberships are non-refundable. What solutions do you have? If you restrict renting a gun to only people who already own a gun, how is someone supposed to buy a gun if they can't try one out. If someone buys a gun and then goes in there and "offs" theirself, what could you do to avoid that? |
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In the short 14 months or so that I've been here, I think they have had at least one per quarter. Time to change policy, guys. There are things you can do to mitigate the chances that this shit happens on your property. It is a black eye on the management of the business that so many people choose to off themselves there. SGC = Suicide Gun Club; memberships are non-refundable. Like what? Put up a sign saying "Do not kill yourself" That will fix everything. 
SCG is a mulit-million dollar range that is know all over the world, and the only one of its kind in the phoenix area. If you are going to die you might as well do it in a nice place instead of some shitty hole in the wall like Caswells. |
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Quoted: Quoted: In the short 14 months or so that I've been here, I think they have had at least one per quarter. Time to change policy, guys. There are things you can do to mitigate the chances that this shit happens on your property. It is a black eye on the management of the business that so many people choose to off themselves there. SGC = Suicide Gun Club; memberships are non-refundable. What solutions do you have? If you restrict renting a gun to only people who already own a gun, how is someone supposed to buy a gun if they can't try one out. If someone buys a gun and then goes in there and "offs" theirself, what could you do to avoid that? There are many ranges with established protocols for the renting of firearms and use of the range facilities which are proven effective at preventing on site suicides. That you personally are not aware of those procedures is inconsequential. And for the record, 'theirself' is not even a word. |
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There are many ranges with established protocols for the renting of firearms and use of the range facilities which are proven effective at preventing on site suicides. That you personally are not aware of those procedures is inconsequential. And for the record, 'theirself' is not even a word. How do you know it was a rental? What prevents someone from purchasing a gun either from SCG or backpage and then killing themselves at the range? Another sign? |
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Quoted: Quoted: In the short 14 months or so that I've been here, I think they have had at least one per quarter. Time to change policy, guys. There are things you can do to mitigate the chances that this shit happens on your property. It is a black eye on the management of the business that so many people choose to off themselves there. SGC = Suicide Gun Club; memberships are non-refundable. Like what? Put up a sign saying "Do not kill yourself" That will fix everything. SCG is a mulit-million dollar range that is know all over the world, and the only one of its kind in the phoenix area. If you are going to die you might as well do it in a nice place instead of some shitty hole in the wall like Caswells. I get it. You work there. And reading is fundamental. |
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I get it. You work there. And reading is fundamental. No, but I think I "get it", you are just trying to boost your post count by being a snarky douche. Multiple posters have asked what you meant by.... Quoted:
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reading is fundamental. If you have nothing of substance to add, go boost your post count somewhere else like GD. |
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A lot of ranges require that you have someone with you when you rent a firearm from them, not necessarily an employee, but a friend or shooting partner. The thought is that you are less likely to kill yourself in front of someone you know, and it seems to work, for the most part. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Quoted: @ReactiveTarget: snarky douche or not, you're riding the line of a COC violation. Unless you'd like to rephrase that, this respondent believes the above quoted moderator is riding that same line under the guise of authority. A partial quote of mine was taken out of context, completely disregarding the topic of discussion revolving the loss of human life, and somehow making me the bad guy for suggesting that SGC experiences a disproportionately high number of these tragic instances. Do not mistake my assertiveness for responsible corporate stewardship in the name of preserving human life for distasteful name calling. Snarky douche? Really???? Here, now??? Neither infantile name calling nor re-framing the discussion to something it is not does not benefit this forum, SCG, or the seriousness of desperate people taking their lives. We all know where the Pit is. Feel free to exercise the option to engage me in a more appropriate setting. We recently had a member banned for nonchalantly referring to the death of individuals as an "oh fucking well" occurrence. What is happening here in the above posts is not dissimilar. Further, if you intend to engage me in an adult conversation about something as serious as this, you had better damn well have a rudimentary understanding of the English language. Words mean things, and I know how to use them. Do you? I'll hold my breath for an apology or pit invite.... |
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In the short 14 months or so that I've been here, I think they have had at least one per quarter. Time to change policy, guys. There are things you can do to mitigate the chances that this shit happens on your property. It is a black eye on the management of the business that so many people choose to off themselves there. SGC = Suicide Gun Club; memberships are non-refundable. What solutions do you have? If you restrict renting a gun to only people who already own a gun, how is someone supposed to buy a gun if they can't try one out. If someone buys a gun and then goes in there and "offs" theirself, what could you do to avoid that? There are many ranges with established protocols for the renting of firearms and use of the range facilities which are proven effective at preventing on site suicides. That you personally are not aware of those procedures is inconsequential. And for the record, 'theirself' is not even a word. I'd be curious to hear some of those. I can't think of a single thing other than what the user above me posted that would deter someone from committing suicide there. |
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Geez, it's like in the last year every quarter this happens. I agree they need to something. A friend policy is tough but might be pretty effective but I myself like to shoot alone to test stuff out or tend to personal skill development.
Reactive Target - check yourself. Think for a minute - 7M3 has been a member since '05, highly doubt he's running his post count at this point. Many here have met him and find him to be good company. Welcome to the boards. |
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Geez, it's like in the last year every quarter this happens. I agree they need to something. A friend policy is tough but might be pretty effective but I myself like to shoot alone to test stuff out or tend to personal skill development. Reactive Target - check yourself. Think for a minute - 7M3 has been a member since '05, highly doubt he's running his post count at this point. Many here have met him and find him to be good company. Welcome to the boards. That's the thing, it can really cut into rental and range time revenue, but that's where you get into business ethics vs. Profit. I really don't have a problem with it either way, as I like to shoot alone as well. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Unless you'd like to rephrase that, this respondent believes the above quoted moderator is riding that same line under the guise of authority. A partial quote of mine was taken out of context, completely disregarding the topic of discussion revolving the loss of human life, and somehow making me the bad guy for suggesting that SGC experiences a disproportionately high number of these tragic instances. Do not mistake my assertiveness for responsible corporate stewardship in the name of preserving human life for distasteful name calling. Snarky douche? Really???? Here, now??? Neither infantile name calling nor re-framing the discussion to something it is not does not benefit this forum, SCG, or the seriousness of desperate people taking their lives. We all know where the Pit is. Feel free to exercise the option to engage me in a more appropriate setting. We recently had a member banned for nonchalantly referring to the death of individuals as an "oh fucking well" occurrence. What is happening here in the above posts is not dissimilar. Further, if you intend to engage me in an adult conversation about something as serious as this, you had better damn well have a rudimentary understanding of the English language. Words mean things, and I know how to use them. Do you? I'll hold my breath for an apology or pit invite.... Trying to get me banned, pit invite, an apology???   , dont be all butthurt because I simply pointed out that you were being snarky. Apparently AGW agreed with me also.
Myself and another poster were simply asking you to expand on your claim that some sort of policy would have prevented people from commiting suicide at SCG. Quoted:
Words mean things, and I know how to use them How....profound .
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We recently had a member banned for nonchalantly referring to the death of individuals as an "oh fucking well" occurrence. What is happening here in the above posts is not dissimilar. Are you drunk? |
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Apparently, he "accidentally" shot himself in the chest???? Hmmmmm.
http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2012/05/08/20120508scottsdale-gun-club-shooting-abrk.html |
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Apparently, he "accidentally" shot himself in the chest???? Hmmmmm. http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2012/05/08/20120508scottsdale-gun-club-shooting-abrk.html it has been known to happen... Never try to catch a falling gun. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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People here are sounding like the Democrats. Suggesting that more rules would fix this situation is like Michael Bloomberg saying that banning guns will make NYC safer.
Fact of the matter is that people have problems and some people look to solve their problems differently than you and I would solve ours. I don't agree with their solution but for some reason they choose this over a hand full of pills, death by cop or a swan dive off the top of the Grand Canyon. Several years ago I was in Rome and I needed to get onto the hotel roof to use a sat phone. The head bellman walked up with me, I let him call his aunt who lived somewhere in Africa and he gave me a key so I could get on the roof whenever I needed to. I wrapped up business there and flew to London. I asked the bellman there for roof access. He asked the manager who said; "No, you will jump off the roof and kill yourself". What is the point of this story? Shooting with a buddy isn't going to help nor is a sign prohibiting shooting ones self. |
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People here are sounding like the Democrats. Suggesting that more rules would fix this situation is like Michael Bloomberg saying that banning guns will make NYC safer. Fact of the matter is that people have problems and some people look to solve their problems differently than you and I would solve ours. I don't agree with their solution but for some reason they choose this over a hand full of pills, death by cop or a swan dive off the top of the Grand Canyon. Several years ago I was in Rome and I needed to get onto the hotel roof to use a sat phone. The head bellman walked up with me, I let him call his aunt who lived somewhere in Africa and he gave me a key so I could get on the roof whenever I needed to. I wrapped up business there and flew to London. I asked the bellman there for roof access. He asked the manager who said; "No, you will jump off the roof and kill yourself". What is the point of this story? Shooting with a buddy isn't going to help nor is a sign prohibiting shooting ones self. I'm not calling for new rules, just explaining rules that other ranges have implemented. Like I said, I enjoy shooting alone. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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At the range I used to work at in another state we implemented a rule like suggested above.
To rent you must have your own firearms, if you do not have any with you, you must have a second or more persons in your party. I was one of the lucky ones that was there and saw the last suicide happen that caused that range rule to be penned. |
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Quoted: I don't even know who you are, nor did I care before you approached me with a raging hard on. I don't want you to be banned. I did not notice you before and frankly I would like to go back to not noticing you again. I am *heavily* vested in the AZ shooting community. My network is extensive and includes working with state agencies. Don't try to downplay what it is you were trying to accomplish with your juvenile attack on my contribution. I'm sure your google works just fine. I don't know AGW either, but his passive aggressive choice of words was a poor decision. That could have been handled much differently. Maybe he's young, I don't know. It takes a hell of a lot more than some bullshit like this to get me "butt hurt", although it seems there is no shortage of that in the AZHTF lately. *Many* members here know me personally and have been to my home, broken bread with me, shot with me, and had beer with me. I am the real mother fucking deal and have nothing to prove to anyone. No, I am not drunk. I'm trying to do you a favor by taking your rope away so you don't hang yourself, and yet you persist. After this post I'm done addressing you. It's fruitless. Closing words to you - Don't fuck this place up. Lurk more. There is a culture which should be respected...a time and a place for everything and all that. |
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Apparently, he "accidentally" shot himself in the chest???? Hmmmmm. http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2012/05/08/20120508scottsdale-gun-club-shooting-abrk.html ^^^^^ May. 8, 2012 01:30 PM No mention of today's incident i can find? |
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In the short 14 months or so that I've been here, I think they have had at least one per quarter. Time to change policy, guys. There are things you can do to mitigate the chances that this shit happens on your property. It is a black eye on the management of the business that so many people choose to off themselves there. SGC = Suicide Gun Club; memberships are non-refundable. What solutions do you have? If you restrict renting a gun to only people who already own a gun, how is someone supposed to buy a gun if they can't try one out. If someone buys a gun and then goes in there and "offs" theirself, what could you do to avoid that? There are many ranges with established protocols for the renting of firearms and use of the range facilities which are proven effective at preventing on site suicides. That you personally are not aware of those procedures is inconsequential. And for the record, 'theirself' is not even a word. Thanks for answering my question.... 
How did this topic go from an adult discussion on creating solutions to the prevention of suicides at gun ranges to fighting at the "pit"? |
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Let me point you in the right direction - http://www.nssf.org/ranges/http://www.nssf.org/ranges/rangereport/rangereport/ As to your second question, that had nothing to do with you so don't sweat it.
The real motherfucking deal huh? Apparently not fucking real enough to post a working link. 
http://www.nssf.org/ranges/rangereport/ 
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In the short 14 months or so that I've been here, I think they have had at least one per quarter. Time to change policy, guys. There are things you can do to mitigate the chances that this shit happens on your property. It is a black eye on the management of the business that so many people choose to off themselves there. SGC = Suicide Gun Club; memberships are non-refundable. What solutions do you have? If you restrict renting a gun to only people who already own a gun, how is someone supposed to buy a gun if they can't try one out. If someone buys a gun and then goes in there and "offs" theirself, what could you do to avoid that? There are many ranges with established protocols for the renting of firearms and use of the range facilities which are proven effective at preventing on site suicides. That you personally are not aware of those procedures is inconsequential. And for the record, 'theirself' is not even a word. Thanks for answering my question....
How did this topic go from an adult discussion on creating solutions to the prevention of suicides at gun ranges to fighting at the "pit"? Let me point you in the right direction - http://www.nssf.org/ranges/http://www.nssf.org/ranges/rangereport/rangereport/ As to your second question, that had nothing to do with you so don't sweat it.
It also had nothing to do with an ADULT conversation. 
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: In the short 14 months or so that I've been here, I think they have had at least one per quarter. Time to change policy, guys. There are things you can do to mitigate the chances that this shit happens on your property. It is a black eye on the management of the business that so many people choose to off themselves there. SGC = Suicide Gun Club; memberships are non-refundable. What solutions do you have? If you restrict renting a gun to only people who already own a gun, how is someone supposed to buy a gun if they can't try one out. If someone buys a gun and then goes in there and "offs" theirself, what could you do to avoid that? There are many ranges with established protocols for the renting of firearms and use of the range facilities which are proven effective at preventing on site suicides. That you personally are not aware of those procedures is inconsequential. And for the record, 'theirself' is not even a word. Thanks for answering my question.... How did this topic go from an adult discussion on creating solutions to the prevention of suicides at gun ranges to fighting at the "pit"? Let me point you in the right direction - http://www.nssf.org/ranges/http://www.nssf.org/ranges/rangereport/rangereport/ As to your second question, that had nothing to do with you so don't sweat it. It also had nothing to do with an ADULT conversation. Thanks for the non-working link. I guess you can go on the shit list too after all. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Let me point you in the right direction - http://www.nssf.org/ranges/http://www.nssf.org/ranges/rangereport/rangereport/ As to your second question, that had nothing to do with you so don't sweat it. The real motherfucking deal huh? Apparently not fucking real enough to post a working link. http://www.nssf.org/ranges/rangereport/ New laptop, editor probs. Can't get links or vid embeds to work on this thing.  |
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Apparently, he "accidentally" shot himself in the chest???? Hmmmmm. http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2012/05/08/20120508scottsdale-gun-club-shooting-abrk.html ^^^^^ May. 8, 2012 01:30 PM No mention of today's incident i can find? Looks like I started a war with this thread lol. I am going up there now to get my noveske lower so I will ask around and see what happened. |
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Apparently, he "accidentally" shot himself in the chest???? Hmmmmm. http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2012/05/08/20120508scottsdale-gun-club-shooting-abrk.html ^^^^^ May. 8, 2012 01:30 PM No mention of today's incident i can find? Looks like I started a war with this thread lol. I am going up there now to get my noveske lower so I will ask around and see what happened. LOL. Well looks the news report I posted was old. Helps to read the dates. |
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Here you go, guys. It was nothing bad. It was closed for a cable show. Different type of shooting. :)
Bizarre Foods with Andrew Zimmerman |
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Here you go, guys. It was nothing bad. It was closed for a cable show. Different type of shooting. :) Bizarre Foods with Andrew Zimmerman NEG 
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Here you go, guys. It was nothing bad. It was closed for a cable show. Different type of shooting. :) Bizarre Foods with Andrew Zimmerman NEG |
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Here you go, guys. It was nothing bad. It was closed for a cable show. Different type of shooting. :) Bizarre Foods with Andrew Zimmerman NEG words from decedent's relative: 22 y.o. N Scottsd resident Dean's List @ ASU Had been fighting depression On meds Told family he was headed to the gym Rented the firearm Really? That sucks. They would not tell me what happened when I went back in there. I wonder if roids played a factor? Just pure speculation. Really? You seriously must have ZERO real world experience with steroids..... |
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Geez, I just wanted some info and had to read a page and a half of 3 year olds yelling at each other. Welcome to ARFCOM. 
Its august. People hot and cranky, it happens everywhere. As far SGC, I feel for the the staff. I know some people up there. Got to be a kick in the gut with as much as it has happened. |