Posted: 9/5/2011 7:34:02 PM EDT
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i've got an 85 s15 with a carbureted engine. it has the 2 barrel and NO computer control whatsoever, just a lot of delay vavles and spaghetti for hoses basically.
outside of replacing everything that may need to be replaced to pass emissions, what other options do i have? i.e. a new engine out of another vehicle? would it require the emissions from the vehicle it came from or would it still need the original configuration? anything thing else? |
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I'm cool with the roller/sniff test. But what I am mainly curious about is the emissions equipment being exact, or if I do put in a new engine, will the federally required equipment suffice in its simplest form?
In other words: a cat, egr, pcv, and canister all connected in the most simple form. |
If you live or work in the control area you are required to pass emissions . Registering it in a non emmission testing area is not leagal because you opperate the vehicle in the control area on a daily basis .You will need to be able to pass an equiptment check . If the vehicle has been tampered or has missing parts it will not pass . You can stop into the ADEQ at 600 north 40th street Phoenix ,AZ and the good folks in the waiver lane will inspect your vehicle and help you in getting you vehicle in compliance . They will tell you what you need to pass and help you understand how to do it . As a Fleet owner,inspector ,and agent I have dealt with them for over 10 years and find them very helpfull and friendly . It would be worth a trip to have them look at it . 
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Me and my dad just converted his 84 s10 over to fuel injection. We scavenged the intake manifold, throttle body and computer off of some later year s series trucks and ordered the right size injectors and got it running pretty good. If you want, I can ask him for his build list for more detailed info.
BTW I live in Pima county and do not have to emissions test my cars since I am outside to Tucson metro area. This map shows the emissions control areas in AZ. If you register at an address outside the shaded area, you can get away without emissions, although if you work or go to school in the controlled area, they still require a test, and may fine you if you get pulled over for another violation and don't have your emissions up-to-date. |
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Me and my dad just converted his 84 s10 over to fuel injection. We scavenged the intake manifold, throttle body and computer off of some later year s series trucks and ordered the right size injectors and got it running pretty good. If you want, I can ask him for his build list for more detailed info. BTW I live in Pima county and do not have to emissions test my cars since I am outside to Tucson metro area. This map shows the emissions control areas in AZ. If you register at an address outside the shaded area, you can get away without emissions, although if you work or go to school in the controlled area, they still require a test, and may fine you if you get pulled over for another violation and don't have your emissions up-to-date. yes, if you could get his build list, i'd appreciate it. i live outside of tucson also but would like to keep the emissions in spec in case i drive to tucson or sell the vehicle to someone living there. |
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Me and my dad just converted his 84 s10 over to fuel injection. We scavenged the intake manifold, throttle body and computer off of some later year s series trucks and ordered the right size injectors and got it running pretty good. If you want, I can ask him for his build list for more detailed info. BTW I live in Pima county and do not have to emissions test my cars since I am outside to Tucson metro area. This map shows the emissions control areas in AZ. If you register at an address outside the shaded area, you can get away without emissions, although if you work or go to school in the controlled area, they still require a test, and may fine you if you get pulled over for another violation and don't have your emissions up-to-date. yes, if you could get his build list, i'd appreciate it. i live outside of tucson also but would like to keep the emissions in spec in case i drive to tucson or sell the vehicle to someone living there. Aren't vehicles older than 20 years exempted from the emissions requirements??? If not, what is the actual number? |
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Me and my dad just converted his 84 s10 over to fuel injection. We scavenged the intake manifold, throttle body and computer off of some later year s series trucks and ordered the right size injectors and got it running pretty good. If you want, I can ask him for his build list for more detailed info. BTW I live in Pima county and do not have to emissions test my cars since I am outside to Tucson metro area. This map shows the emissions control areas in AZ. If you register at an address outside the shaded area, you can get away without emissions, although if you work or go to school in the controlled area, they still require a test, and may fine you if you get pulled over for another violation and don't have your emissions up-to-date. yes, if you could get his build list, i'd appreciate it. i live outside of tucson also but would like to keep the emissions in spec in case i drive to tucson or sell the vehicle to someone living there. Aren't vehicles older than 20 years exempted from the emissions requirements??? If not, what is the actual number? 45 years. |
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You could just fix it right and be in compliance .  Sometimes that doesn't work. My 80 CJ-7 had a struggle passing every year. Finally I converted it to fuel injection and now it passes easily. Oh, except for one problem. It's missing many of the hoses their book tells them must be there. For example, the float bowl vent line. It HAS to be there or it fails no matter how under the emissions limit it is. I even called up before I did the conversion and asked them about it and they said "Yea, that conversion will let you pass easily!". Yea right. So now it's got a fake float bowl vent tube on it. Well at least it did before someone told me I could register it as a classic and not have to take the damn fool test at all. So now ALL the emissions stuff is off and in a box in the garage. So much for trying to do it the right way. |
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If you put a new engine in it they will still roller/sniff test it. Or you could register it in a county that doesn't require emissions. Which county doesn't require emissions? Yavapai doesn't Quoted:
If you live or work in the control area you are required to pass emissions . Registering it in a non emmission testing area is not leagal because you opperate the vehicle in the control area on a daily basis .You will need to be able to pass an equiptment check . If the vehicle has been tampered or has missing parts it will not pass . You can stop into the ADEQ at 600 north 40th street Phoenix ,AZ and the good folks in the waiver lane will inspect your vehicle and help you in getting you vehicle in compliance . They will tell you what you need to pass and help you understand how to do it . As a Fleet owner,inspector ,and agent I have dealt with them for over 10 years and find them very helpfull and friendly . It would be worth a trip to have them look at it . is this really enforced? |
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You could just fix it right and be in compliance . Well at least it did before someone told me I could register it as a classic and not have to take the damn fool test at all. So now ALL the emissions stuff is off and in a box in the garage. So much for trying to do it the right way. Where do I find info for the classic registration and emissions requirements? I might be picking up a 77 CJ-7. 20 |
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Besides haveing to be old enough to qualify You must also have classic car insurance to get it exempt . Haggeraty Classic car insurance is the best the good folks at ADEQ can fill you in .
FYI any Good mechanic can get an old car to pass the emmisions and equiptment test . Any 1974 and newer vehicle must pass a tamper inspection . You can also get a Reconstructed title and registration if you update to a newer Fuel injection motor.
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Besides haveing to be old enough to qualify You must also have classic car insurance to get it exempt . Haggeraty Classic car insurance is the best the good folks at ADEQ can fill you in . FYI any Good mechanic can get an old car to pass the emmisions and equiptment test . Any 1974 and newer vehicle must pass a tamper inspection . You can also get a Reconstructed title and registration if you update to a newer Fuel injection motor. My regular insurance agent at American Family set it up. Yea, a good mechanic could get it to pass as long as he's got a 3 gas machine and a set of rollers. Other than that, I was having to make multiple trips and having to get it tweaked between trips. It was costing me at very minimum $150 out of pocket and a half day of lost work every year. And it didn't run properly adjusted like that, so I had to have it tweaked back to run right again. Then I go out of my way to convert it so it runs right and burns clean and they still find fault? Fuck that noise. Oh, and they tried to fuck me over with the reconstructed title bullshit on a couple of my custom motorcycles, but fortunately I found the right contacts to get around that too. "The good folks at ADEQ". Don't make me fucking laugh. Bureaucratic fuckwads is more like it. Any recommendation those dickwads made would send me screaming in the opposite direction. |
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Beleive me I know an asshole when I see one ,I may even be one my self at times . My dealings with them for the past 10 years as a Fleet owner,Agent and Inspecter has been very good and they have always gone out of their way to help me every way they can . I would think they would treat the public the same way . Now Gordon Darby the folks that run the emission testing centers are real Mother fuckers with incompatant ignorant employes . Were you to ever need help with a car that fails you could go down to 40th street and ask the guys in the waiver lane for help ,and they will tell you how to fix it . Your nice to them they will be nice to you ,you go there with an attitude and you won't get far . Like Cop's ,they do not make the laws ,they are paid to enforce them .
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IIRC, GM had a drop in CARB OE Certified drop in replacement for the 2.8L. It was a version of the 3.4 I think. Richard EDT: actually it's 49 state emissions certified... as a matter of fact, i am seriously looking at one of those: http://www.gmpartsdirect.com/results.cfm?addtocart=1&addpartnumber=12363230&singlepart=1&partnumber=12363230 
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