Posted: 11/13/2010 3:02:46 PM EDT
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Barry Young and his aged side kick gave themselves many accolades when it initially looked like this prop would be defeated, almost to the point of taking credit for it's defeat.
Perhaps some "wine and crow Friday" next week? Saw a break down of yes and no votes by county. Pima Co really leaned "yes" on this one...not that it's a huge surprise. |
| I think it's a personal decision, just like smoking or drinking. I can't tell any one person what they can and can't do, and so if that's the case who is anyone to say they can or can't use marijuana. I have a ruptured disc, and I'm taking enough oxy-codone everyday to tranc. a bull. I know the potential of marijuana, and I know this was a good decision for Arizona. That's fine if you don't want to smoke it, but don't tell a person who can benefit from it he/she can't. |
| I have no problems with someone using it for medicinal purposes, I broke my back almost 10 years ago now, All they wanted to do was pump me full of drugs and I can honestly say that it was the most painfull thing I ever went through, but i would only take small amounts of painkillers to get me through the really bad times, too many people use it as a permanent crutch, I worked out and did every thing i could to rehab it no matter how bad it felt....Look at Commiefornia they hand out scrips for cash and they basically have a little amsterdam of smoke shops. I think people who use drugs are weak minded and i'm all for making them all legal, like i said it makes the fight easy when the time comes and it will come........ |
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I think it's a personal decision, just like smoking or drinking. I can't tell any one person what they can and can't do, and so if that's the case who is anyone to say they can or can't use marijuana. I have a ruptured disc, and I'm taking enough oxy-codone everyday to tranc. a bull. I know the potential of marijuana, and I know this was a good decision for Arizona. That's fine if you don't want to smoke it, but don't tell a person who can benefit from it he/she can't. This isn't about weed. It's about money. Anyone anywhere can get weed anytime they want. Having a little weed isn't going to jam you up if you get caught. You're not going to go to jail for a joint. Hell, you probably won't even get a ticket. This is all about the state getting a cut. They want in on it. Further, if it's "medical" marijuana, why are we allowing special dispensaries? Why aren't they selling it at the pharmacies like every other medicine? Because there's money to be made, that's why. These dispensaries are going to be licenses to print money. |
| Never been a user of the ganja but now that it's gonna be legal I think I'm gonna start using 5 times a day, give up all personal ambition and blame society for my shortcomings. Then again, I could say that the only person responsible for me is me regardless of the law. |
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Yeah I heard today on KTAR on my way to get my mandatory flu shot. I'm just afraid of the imminent idiot migration. I've got a bad feeling the democratic party presence is going to go up now that medical MJ is legal here, and the price of living is so cheap here as well. |
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No doubt it will take millions of taxpayer dollars setting up standards, distribution, regulation and enforcement. Wonderful. In a state that's going to have to make austerity cuts soon to avoid going broke. Freaking wonderful. Why not just legalize it completely and tax it? But no, that would make too much sense. Let's spend millions to set up distribution points for not only the few thousand in the state that really need it, but the millions that will flock here to abuse the system for the sake of getting high legally. We have met the enemy, and he is us. |
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No doubt it will take millions of taxpayer dollars setting up standards, distribution, regulation and enforcement. Wonderful. In a state that's going to have to make austerity cuts soon to avoid going broke. Freaking wonderful. Why not just legalize it completely and tax it? But no, that would make too much sense. Let's spend millions to set up distribution points for not only the few thousand in the state that really need it, but the millions that will flock here to abuse the system for the sake of getting high legally. We have met the enemy, and he is us. no me 
i voted no. The last thing i could ever want is more subhuman hippie kommiefornians fuckin our shit up worse. This wasn't about helping anyone with pain at all.. it never is, ever. |
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I think it's a personal decision, just like smoking or drinking. I can't tell any one person what they can and can't do, and so if that's the case who is anyone to say they can or can't use marijuana. I have a ruptured disc, and I'm taking enough oxy-codone everyday to tranc. a bull. I know the potential of marijuana, and I know this was a good decision for Arizona. That's fine if you don't want to smoke it, but don't tell a person who can benefit from it he/she can't. This isn't about weed. It's about money. Anyone anywhere can get weed anytime they want. Having a little weed isn't going to jam you up if you get caught. You're not going to go to jail for a joint. Hell, you probably won't even get a ticket. This is all about the state getting a cut. They want in on it. Further, if it's "medical" marijuana, why are we allowing special dispensaries? Why aren't they selling it at the pharmacies like every other medicine? Because there's money to be made, that's why. These dispensaries are going to be licenses to print money. You seem to forget where in the world you live in. Nobody does anything for free, and if it creates one job, then it's one job that Arizona didn't previously have. I'm a Arizona State Employee, and currently we are understaffed, and underpaid. If taxing could add to the budget, then I wouldn't have to scrimp on replying primarily on VA for health care. To say what you're saying doesn't make sense. Why are firearms, tobacco, and alcohol taxed and governed? Those too are legal, correct? Nobody willing gives their hard earned money away, so a government imposes a tax to fund the programs, and resources that everyone uses everyday. Dispensaries are established, because most pharmacies are owned through corporations, and therefore are bound through legal sanctions. That's economics... At least the theory of it. Nothing is perfect by the way. You could wish to have the full legalization, and avoid all the problematic faults in the system, but there will always be two parties: Those who favor, and those who oppose. Problem is, stupid people are easily influenced by either side and nothing is ever achieved, but that's democracy for you. |
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I think it's a personal decision, just like smoking or drinking. I can't tell any one person what they can and can't do, and so if that's the case who is anyone to say they can or can't use marijuana. I have a ruptured disc, and I'm taking enough oxy-codone everyday to tranc. a bull. I know the potential of marijuana, and I know this was a good decision for Arizona. That's fine if you don't want to smoke it, but don't tell a person who can benefit from it he/she can't. This isn't about weed. It's about money. Anyone anywhere can get weed anytime they want. Having a little weed isn't going to jam you up if you get caught. You're not going to go to jail for a joint. Hell, you probably won't even get a ticket. This is all about the state getting a cut. They want in on it. Further, if it's "medical" marijuana, why are we allowing special dispensaries? Why aren't they selling it at the pharmacies like every other medicine? Because there's money to be made, that's why. These dispensaries are going to be licenses to print money. You seem to forget where in the world you live in. Nobody does anything for free, and if it creates one job, then it's one job that Arizona didn't previously have. I'm a Arizona State Employee, and currently we are understaffed, and underpaid. If taxing could add to the budget, then I wouldn't have to scrimp on replying primarily on VA for health care. To say what you're saying doesn't make sense. Why are firearms, tobacco, and alcohol taxed and governed? Those too are legal, correct? Nobody willing gives their hard earned money away, so a government imposes a tax to fund the programs, and resources that everyone uses everyday. Dispensaries are established, because most pharmacies are owned through corporations, and therefore are bound through legal sanctions. That's economics... At least the theory of it. You're only confirming what I stated. It's about money. |
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How can we change it then? What could have been done so that both parties would have been satisfied? I mean, the measure passed showing that people wanted the initiative to pass. There are beneficial uses for the drug despite the controversy. Don't play games. Just legalize it. None of the medical crap, dispensaries, etc. Just make it legal and tax it like cigarettes. What was done is a farce. |
| I hear you, and I'm in no way arguing with you, but as I stated before; stupid people are easily influence by either side of the political scene. Me, or you hold no grounds over what idol they worship that will guide them to vote in either side. I remember the Obama election, and I asked a black guy behind me who he was voting for, and I got the obvious answer (or at least the answer I felt he was going to say): "My boy Obama." It didn't matter if he knew his political beliefs, or if he followed any of his campaign. He simply saw someone he would relate to, and voted ignorantly (he, himself). Although society is changing, most people (or in this particular case half) still see marijuana as a bad drug. California tried, and failed for whatever reason. I'm not forcing my views onto anyone, but it happens far more illegally than it probably would legally. So if by some miracle happened in which full legalization did pass, it wouldn't force it into anyone's hands. It's up to the person to respect it, and treat it with respect. I simply say that last sentence because Arizona doesn't have a particularly good track record with alcohol and DUI's. |
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Quoted: Quoted: How can we change it then? What could have been done so that both parties would have been satisfied? I mean, the measure passed showing that people wanted the initiative to pass. There are beneficial uses for the drug despite the controversy. Don't play games. Just legalize it. None of the medical crap, dispensaries, etc. Just make it legal and tax it like cigarettes. What was done is a farce. That's what I want done, I want it legalized and heavily taxed, just like cigarettes. It would bring in a lot of much needed revenue and keep non-violent criminals out of jail and prison which in turn saves us a shit ton of money. Medical marijuana was such a stupid fucking idea though I had to vote no. Its a stepping stone I guess but one Arizona didn't need to take right now. We should have just waited until a couple of other states legalized it and then followed in suit. |
| Our country will continue to be f$@ked until our people man up and say we are not going to put up with all these human sponges anymore. We just keep creating more ways for people to be non productive to society. How about making people work for welfare or food stamps. How about drug testing to get that welfare check. I just feel like I get farther and farther to the Right with all this crap happening. That's ok I can still see the left through my scope.....long live the Patriots and their values and morals. |
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Good. A step closer to legalization.
This is very similar to shall issue CCW and constitutional carry bills. Shrill naysayers scream about the dire problems that will follow passage of the bill but nothing is heard from them after the bill passes and the sky doesn't fall. The streets don't flow with pot or blood and life goes on as normal, except for slightly less government meddling. |
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It's a mid step to full decriminalization, which will do more to affect drug cartels' bottom line than anything the Mexican government is capable of at this point. Anyone who is going to be a lazy sponge is going to do it, legality or no. legalizing pot in one state won't do shit but help the cartel.. they could move their operations here without worrying as much. thinking this is some smart move that will hurt the cartel is foolish, criminals will always find a way to outsmart the goodguys. Also, they will just switch to a different drug if/when pot is legalized in the USA. The only way to stop the cartel is invasion and obliteration. |
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It's a mid step to full decriminalization, which will do more to affect drug cartels' bottom line than anything the Mexican government is capable of at this point. Anyone who is going to be a lazy sponge is going to do it, legality or no. legalizing pot in one state won't do shit but help the cartel.. they could move their operations here without worrying as much. thinking this is some smart move that will hurt the cartel is foolish, criminals will always find a way to outsmart the goodguys. Also, they will just switch to a different drug if/when pot is legalized in the USA. The only way to stop the cartel is invasion and obliteration. Study after study has shown that drug laws have almost no impact on drug use. The cartels can't "switch" to another drug because A: they are already importing coke, meth, etc. B: The use of the other drugs will stay approximately the same. C: No other illegal drug is used by anywhere near as many people as pot is. Legalizing pot WOULD eliminate a huge portion of their profits. |
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It's a mid step to full decriminalization, which will do more to affect drug cartels' bottom line than anything the Mexican government is capable of at this point. Anyone who is going to be a lazy sponge is going to do it, legality or no. legalizing pot in one state won't do shit but help the cartel.. they could move their operations here without worrying as much. thinking this is some smart move that will hurt the cartel is foolish, criminals will always find a way to outsmart the goodguys. Also, they will just switch to a different drug if/when pot is legalized in the USA. The only way to stop the cartel is invasion and obliteration. Study after study has shown that drug laws have almost no impact on drug use. The cartels can't "switch" to another drug because A: they are already importing coke, meth, etc. B: The use of the other drugs will stay approximately the same. C: No other illegal drug is used by anywhere near as many people as pot is. Legalizing pot WOULD eliminate a huge portion of their profits. I said in Arizona 
a pound in AZ is what, $200? i don't remember a pound in a state much farther from the border its triple, or even five times more. legalizing pot to stunt cartel profit would only work if it was in all of CONUS, not just Cali and AZ |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: It's a mid step to full decriminalization, which will do more to affect drug cartels' bottom line than anything the Mexican government is capable of at this point. Anyone who is going to be a lazy sponge is going to do it, legality or no. legalizing pot in one state won't do shit but help the cartel.. they could move their operations here without worrying as much. thinking this is some smart move that will hurt the cartel is foolish, criminals will always find a way to outsmart the goodguys. Also, they will just switch to a different drug if/when pot is legalized in the USA. The only way to stop the cartel is invasion and obliteration. Study after study has shown that drug laws have almost no impact on drug use. The cartels can't "switch" to another drug because A: they are already importing coke, meth, etc. B: The use of the other drugs will stay approximately the same. C: No other illegal drug is used by anywhere near as many people as pot is. Legalizing pot WOULD eliminate a huge portion of their profits. I said in Arizona a pound in AZ is what, $200? i don't remember a pound in a state much farther from the border its triple, or even five times more. legalizing pot to stunt cartel profit would only work if it was in all of CONUS, not just Cali and AZ The cartels have moved into California, they are growing it there under the Cali med mj program. Each person with a card can grow 6 plants, with extreme med need each person could grow 12+ plants. Say they have 12 people with cards who give a copy to "1" person as the caregiver, that 1 person can grown 72 plants legally, not all can flower at the same time, but they are growing illegally so the law doesnt matter and all will flower at once. Each plant could easily give 6-16oz of high quality weed, average each plant to 10oz = approx 45lb every 2 months at 3,000lb wholesale = $810,000 a year profit, the dispensary sells it for about $6,000lb. Many Cali dispensaries who care about their customers warn them to be careful when going to and from the dispensary because the cartels are causing problems for people either going to sell their personal crop or going to buy. It will be no different in Az. While personal growers who live within 25 miles of a dispensary will not be allowed to grow and those who can grow and live 25 miles away from a dispensary would not be able to sell it to a dispensary. People who have current California Medical MJ cards can now visit Arizona and posses "legally" unless the law does not go into effect immediately? As far as CCW & med mj, obviously cant posses a firearm while under the influence, in Oregon the court ruled it is ok to posses med mj & have a ccw. I am sure this will be used as precedence in Az. http://caselaw.findlaw.com/or-court-of-appeals/1527415.html |
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It's a sign of the changeing times we live in . Looks like the majority has spoken ,weather I like it or not . It is the way our democracy works . If that was only true! The Feds are going to hate this and come fuck with us! Which I like! Fuck the Feds and their BS! 1070 come to mind! This will drive the feds into a crazy froth! BTW I am not a HIPPY! 
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Quoted: wtf they sell that shit legaly for 6k a pound? yeah. no fucking way this will undercut the cartels. full legalization with no restriction on home growing for personal use might put a small dent in their pockets but this will do nothing. Private growers or cartels in California sell a lb for about $3,000 wholesale, the dispensaries sell it for roughly $65.00 an 1/8th depending on the strain and thc strength which comes to about $8320.00 for a lb purchased in 1/8ths, they might give oz discounts? Some cartels have moved their operations from Mexico to California. They can grow much higher quality and its done in their backyard. Med mj has not changed the price, what it does is allow patients to legally purchase medication from a place who has tested the quality rather than a backyard farmer who does not test it. All that really changed is the quality and the guy on the corner who had maybe 2 strains to a store which could carry 20+ strains of quality. The stores will also sell brownies or what are called medibles. For the people who grow it with a permit in Az can eventually get high quality after a few crops. Many do not want to deal with the huge hassle of growing, caring and clipping, or the 2-4 month growth wait, thats where the dispensary comes in. This is a cash cow and people will find ways to exploit it for profit. Opening dispensary is one way but the dispensary owners are capped on profit since they are in a "non profit" business. A dispensary manager could make more than the owner. In California dispensaries are considered non profit and owners are maxed at $50,000 a year. Not sure where owner Az owners are capped. Also excess growth can not be sold to a dispensary in Az which can be done in Cali. Dispensaries in Arizona have to grow it themselves. Arizona laws are sort of similar to Colorado's new ones except in Colorado, it is a petty offense to for a non mj patient to possess under an oz. |