Posted: 3/28/2010 10:19:25 AM EDT
| well yesterday a neighbor rancher was shot and killed. all we know was whom ever did it was from south of the border and went back south. don't know if anyone could get him headed off before he gets to the border. the shooter had almst 12 hour jump before the shooting had been discovered. i'll update when more is known. |
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Cochise County Rancher Murdered Cochise County rancher Rob Krentz was shot and killed on his ranch some time Saturday, presumably by a drug smuggler. The death, which being investigated as a homicide, occurred in the San Bernardino Valley, part of the Malpais region. The event has rocked the towns of Douglas and Portal, and the ranches in between, both of which have been under siege by cross-border smugglers for years. http://www.tucsonweekly.com/TheRange/archives/2010/03/28/cochise-county-rancher-murdered |
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This hit a little too close to home. My family and I live near the border. It is a wonderful place to live, except for the illegal activity. The Krentz family is a good ranching family. Will this be a wake up call!
http://sonoranalliance.com/2010/03/28/border-rancher-rob-krentz-and-dog-found-shot-to-death-after-aiding-illegal-alien/ http://www.aipnews.com/talk/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=13034&posts=1 |
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Got a posse yet? I'm in. +1 right at the moment everyone needs to start hounding DC to shut the border down, that WE as a people feel threatend with the border issues as they are. as the need for the posse changes we'll let you know. but at this time use this incident as momentum and ram it up obama's ass! ps. pass the word long and far |
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Got a posse yet? I'm in. +1 right at the moment everyone needs to start hounding DC to shut the border down, that WE as a people feel threatend with the border issues as they are. as the need for the posse changes we'll let you know. but at this time use this incident as momentum and ram it up obama's ass! ps. pass the word long and far Sent out an email to my family, but to be honest, they already know. A close family member used to be THE guy when it came to wildfires in AZ. There came a point when his guys refused to fight fires in that area. It was too dangerous for them, and the danger was not from fire.... My offer stands, and I'm serious. If you guys are putting together something, my PM box is open. |
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A buddy and I went coues hunting down there last year. On the last morning of our hunt, we ran into several well armed and armored Border Patrol agents sweeping the canyon we were camped in. Apparently, this particular canyon is a popular destination for drug smugglers/illegals to hide out it.
To make matters worse, the whole area is extremely isolated. I did not have any radio or cell phone signal at all along Hwy 80 once we exited the I-10. I imagine it is similar all the way south to Douglas. Hell, even the Border Patrol agents had trouble with their radios in the Chiricahaus. If something goes wrong, it will take the cavalry awhile to arrive. If we get tags for the same unit this year, we are definitely going to bring ARs and camp in a larger group. My prayers go out to the rancher and his family. 
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To make matters worse, the whole area is extremely isolated. I did not have any radio or cell phone signal at all along Hwy 80 once we exited the I-10. I imagine it is similar all the way south to Douglas. Hell, even the Border Patrol agents had trouble with their radios in the Chiricahaus. If something goes wrong, it will take the cavalry awhile to arrive. Hopefully, no Game and Fish guys will hassle you over having ARs...since undoubtedly you'll have standard cap magazines to go with them...a no-no when hunting. You could always have a "designated security element" who don't have hunting licenses, but the risk there is if they're out with the hunters, G&F might consider them poachers. Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be a good solution immediately apparent that doesn't involve some risk of legal interpretation by G&F. As for comms in the Chiracahuas...yeah, it sucks. One year while hunting in the Turkey Creek area, I had a 2m ham handheld, and only got out because I climbed to the top of a hill/mountain and used a high-gain antenna..was able to hit a repeater...I still don't know which one. Looking on a map, there's one in Benson, and one WAY up in Duncan. Wilcox is the closest "major city", but I don't know that there is one there. All I know is that was the ONLY place I found to hit the repeater, but I admit to only trying a couple spots during the 4 days I was out there. This was 1998. |
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To make matters worse, the whole area is extremely isolated. I did not have any radio or cell phone signal at all along Hwy 80 once we exited the I-10. I imagine it is similar all the way south to Douglas. Hell, even the Border Patrol agents had trouble with their radios in the Chiricahaus. If something goes wrong, it will take the cavalry awhile to arrive. Hopefully, no Game and Fish guys will hassle you over having ARs...since undoubtedly you'll have standard cap magazines to go with them...a no-no when hunting. You could always have a "designated security element" who don't have hunting licenses, but the risk there is if they're out with the hunters, G&F might consider them poachers. Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be a good solution immediately apparent that doesn't involve some risk of legal interpretation by G&F. As for comms in the Chiracahuas...yeah, it sucks. One year while hunting in the Turkey Creek area, I had a 2m ham handheld, and only got out because I climbed to the top of a hill/mountain and used a high-gain antenna..was able to hit a repeater...I still don't know which one. Looking on a map, there's one in Benson, and one WAY up in Duncan. Wilcox is the closest "major city", but I don't know that there is one there. All I know is that was the ONLY place I found to hit the repeater, but I admit to only trying a couple spots during the 4 days I was out there. This was 1998. Yeah, I don't know how that would go over with G&F. I do know they now allow you to carry high-cap handguns for self-defense, even during archery hunts. G&F is a fickle beast... One guy might not even care if you have one, another might string you up. |
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U.S. Border Patrol spokesman Omar Candelaria told the The Arizona Daily Star that if Krentz's killing was tied to such border crime it would be a first for the area, to his recollection
Well.....while AFAIK no provable ties to smuggling activity......we had that bowhunter shot to death at his campsite in the Santa Ritas......that is why non hunting handguns are allowed to be carried by bowhunters now... |
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Arizona Rancher's Killing Sparks Calls to Beef Up Border Security
Link Three members of New Mexico's congressional delegation have asked for an increase in the Border Patrol's presence, and former Colorado Rep. Tom Tancredo called on Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano to dispatch the National Guard to the Arizona border Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano is under pressure to beef up border security in the Southwest in the wake of Saturday's killing of a rancher in southeastern Arizona. Three members of New Mexico's congressional delegation have asked for an increase in the Border Patrol's presence in the Boot Heel of New Mexico, about 10 miles from where the rancher was shot to death over the weekend. U.S. Sens. Jeff Bingaman and Tom Udall, along with Rep. Harry Teague, say Napolitano's agency needs to take more security steps. And former Colorado Rep. Tom Tancredo, an outspoken opponent of illegal immigration, called on Napolitano to "reject politics and do the right thing" by dispatching the National Guard to the Arizona border. Cochise County Sheriff's Office deputies and detectives responded to an area northeast of Douglas on Saturday after searchers found the body of 58-year-old Robert Krentz inside his all terrain vehicle on his property. Detectives were able to determine that Krentz apparently came upon one person when he was fatally shot and his dog was wounded. Cochise County investigators said Monday that Krentz likely was killed by an illegal immigrant, but there's no evidence to suggest there was any confrontation that led to the shooting. Bingaman, Udall and Teague urged a forward operating station for the Border Patrol in the region. Such outposts put agents closer to the international border. Teague –– whose district includes the border area –– says a station in the Antelope Wells area would better protect people and property. Tancredo, who attended a Tea Party event over the weekend in Arizona, blasted Napolitano for not doing more to secure the border. “As governor of Arizona, Napolitano deployed the National Guard to help the Border Patrol do its job… Three days ago, Napolitano told an audience at Arizona State University that the border is more secure than ever," Tancredo said Sunday through his Rocky Mountain Foundation. "I challenge her –– no, I dare her –– to come to this community and try to sell that lie.” U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, D-Ariz., whose Congressional district covers the area, described the rancher as a pillar of the community who was recently inducted into the Arizona Farming and Ranching Hall of Fame. "The cold-blooded killing of an Arizona rancher is a sad and sobering reminder of the threats to public safety that exist in our border communities," Giffords said. "It has not yet been determined who committed this atrocity or why, but I know that federal and local authorities are mobilizing every possible resource to locate and apprehend the assailant." Giffords said if Krentz's killing is connected to drug cartels or smugglers, the federal government must respond appropriately. "All options should be on the table, including sending more Border Patrol agents to the area and deploying the National Guard," Giffords said. Arizona Attorney General Terry Goddard said government has a clear responsibility to aid law enforcement resources at all levels along the border. "I call on our federal and state governments to work together to bolster the law enforcement resources needed to better protect Arizonans living on the border," Goddard said U.S. Border Patrol spokesman Omar Candelaria told the The Arizona Daily Star that if Krentz's killing was tied to such border crime, it would be a first for the area, to his recollection. At a news conference Monday, Cochise County Sheriff Larry Dever said Krentz was out checking water line and fencing on the land Krentz's family has ranched since 1907. Dever says Krentz had weapons with him in his all-terrain vehicle but didn't use them. Investigators say Krentz apparently came upon one person when he was shot. While Krentz was still in his vehicle, mortally wounded, he managed to drive the ATV away from the scene at a high rate of speed before becoming unconscious. Sheriff's deputies, U.S. Border Patrol trackers and Department of Corrections dog chase teams followed footsteps approximately 20 miles south to the Mexican border. No suspects have been apprehended. |
| if we adopted mexico's shoot first and don't ask questions policy, there won't be much of a border issue. In mexico if there's a no trespasing sign, they shoot them like coyotes. There is very little traspasing on ranches from what i understand. but the US is toooo politically correct to adopt such common sense, "if you don't want to get shot stay where you're suposed to". |
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if we adopted mexico's shoot first and don't ask questions policy, there won't be much of a border issue. In mexico if there's a no trespasing sign, they shoot them like coyotes. There is very little traspasing on ranches from what i understand. but the US is toooo politically correct to adopt such common sense, "if you don't want to get shot stay where you're suposed to". Couldn't have said it better myself. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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as of the meeting weds. the landowners and ranchers have had a meeting with gabby. it seems we have gotton some attn. down on the border. we need all the people we can to write to all federal politions on the border issue. please include the words foreign invasion, secure the border, also artical 4 section 4 of the US Constitution says that the states shall be protected from invasion! it needs to be inforced. thanks in advance, CH |