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11/13/2007 7:48:34 AM EDT
I've checked snopes and its not on there.

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>      Lowe's refuses to call them "Christmas trees," chooses to call them
>"Family trees"
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>             Dear John,
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>             In an effort to avoid the use of the term "Christmas tree,"
>Lowe's has renamed their Christmas trees and are now calling them "Family
>trees."
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>             In their Holiday 2007 catalog, containing 56 pages of
>Christmas gifts, Lowe's advertises hundreds of gift items, including scores
>of "Family trees." In fact, the word "Christmas" only appears two times in
>the entire holiday catalog. The ads mentioning "Christmas cover only 12
>square inches of the 5236 square inches available.
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>             Lowe's even has one of their Family trees turned upside down
>on a stand. We are not sure what the significance of that is.
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>             Lowe's evidently did not want to offend any non-Christians,
>therefore they replaced "Christmas tree" with "Family tree." Of course, if
>Christians are offended that is evidently ok.
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>             An on-line search of Lowe's does reference some "Christmas"
>items. In fact, a word search of their Web site gives the exact same number
>174 of the word "Christmas" as it does the word "holiday." Most of the
>items mentioning Christmas appear to use the promotional line given by the
>manufacturer.
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>             Their Holiday 2007 catalog features scores of products,
>including lights, wreaths, trees, and yard decorations. Most people would
>associate these items with Christmas, but not Lowe's! Except for two
>obscure references, they refer to everything in their catalog as "holiday."
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>             Click here to see the front cover of the catalog and a page
>featuring their "Family trees." catalog ad.
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>             Take Action
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>               a.. Send the e-mail to Lowe's. Ask them why they refer to
>their Christmas trees as "Family trees."
>               b.. Forward this to your friends and family and ask them to
>send the e-mail.
>               c.. Sponsor your church in our "Project Merry Christmas."
>Click here for details.
11/13/2007 8:29:38 AM EDT
[#1]
If that bugs you shop a Home Depot. I don't buy any Bushmaster stuff anymore ,or Ruger,just put your money wher your mouth is ,what else can you do?
11/13/2007 8:41:39 AM EDT
[#2]
Just thought it was interesting.  I know my money these days will go to fascists, communists, hippies, and pinkos no matter what I do, I just find it interesting how many people are jumping on the politically correct bandwagon.  Can't wait to see this country 25 years from now.  If its still around.
11/13/2007 10:05:45 AM EDT
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I don't buy any Bushmaster


You do know that Bushmaster, Cobb Manufacturing and Remington are owned by Cerebus Capital Management

Cerebus also owns Chrysler and a whole bunch of other stuff.
11/13/2007 10:33:33 AM EDT
[#4]

Quoted:

Quoted:
I don't buy any Bushmaster


You do know that Bushmaster, Cobb Manufacturing and Remington are owned by Cerebus Capital Management

Cerebus also owns Chrysler and a whole bunch of other stuff.


While you're at it you might see if you can get people to realize that Bill Ruger Sr. is dead and the company is no longer in family hands.  Seems to be a lot of people still refusing to buy Ruger products because of what Bill Sr. said and did.
11/13/2007 10:51:13 AM EDT
[#5]

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While you're at it you might see if you can get people to realize that Bill Ruger Sr. is dead and the company is no longer in family hands.  Seems to be a lot of people still refusing to buy Ruger products because of what Bill Sr. said and did.


I agree, Bill Ruger is dead. Just hate Rugers for the investment cast pieces of crap that they are.
11/13/2007 1:33:27 PM EDT
[#6]
+1 on the Ruger look and feel and finish ,nice to know it's not owned by the Ruger family but they still don't make anything I'd buy. as for Bushmaster I will never forgive them for paying off on the Beltway sniper deal ,talk about no balls . they made it easy foe everyone to sue gun makers in the future . I may not have much clout or say so in the big picture ,but I'll be damned if I'm support companys that are pulling that kind of shit .
11/13/2007 5:14:47 PM EDT
[#7]

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While you're at it you might see if you can get people to realize that Bill Ruger Sr. is dead and the company is no longer in family hands.  Seems to be a lot of people still refusing to buy Ruger products because of what Bill Sr. said and did.


Have you looked at their web site? Under firearms accessories, they still don't make a Mini-14 mag that holds more than 5 rounds, and yet they try to sell the Mini-14 as a rifle for the action shooting sports (read: 3-gun). As far as I'm concerned, while they may not be as vocal as Bill Sr. was, they are still following the policy that he set. So, none of my business goes their way.

And their web site is slow as shit.
11/13/2007 5:27:13 PM EDT
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When I lived in Prescott, there was the occasional Ruger wanted ad in the local rag, The Daily Courier.

$8 bucks an hour to start......
11/13/2007 8:23:21 PM EDT
[#9]
They do sponsor Jimmy Johnson...
11/14/2007 3:00:40 AM EDT
[#10]

Quoted:
If that bugs you shop a Home Depot. I don't buy any Bushmaster stuff anymore ,or Ruger,just put your money wher your mouth is ,what else can you do?


+1
I could not have said it better.

11/14/2007 7:05:45 AM EDT
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I've checked snopes and its not on there.



Actually, it is on snopes and listed as true. http://www.snopes.com/politics/christmas/familytree.asp
11/14/2007 10:24:06 AM EDT
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I've checked snopes and its not on there.



Actually, it is on snopes and listed as true. http://www.snopes.com/politics/christmas/familytree.asp



Thanks!  I didn't see that at all.  Maybe it was just put up.  I also just got emailed that there was an apology.

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>      Lowe's apologizes for catalog calling Christmas trees "Family" trees
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>             Dear John,
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>             Following a phone call to AFA Director of Special Projects
>Randy Sharp this morning, Lowe's sent the following correspondence from
>Chris Ahearn, Vice President, Public Relations for Lowe's.
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>               Randy, Thanks for taking my call this morning. Let me
>reiterate my apology that we had an advertising error that created a stir.
>Here's a statement that we'd appreciate your posting on your web site, if
>possible:
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>               Lowe's has contacted the AFA and assures us that it is
>proudly committed to selling Christmas trees this year, as it has done for
>more than 60 years. The company apologized for the confusion created in its
>2007 holiday catalog when it headlined the page of Christmas trees "family
>trees." The error was not caught before the publication was distributed,
>and Lowe's says it is disappointed in the breakdown in its proofing
>process.
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>               Lowe's assures us that they refer to trees as Christmas
>trees in this season's television and magazine ads and in its advertising
>flyers. The company says it is redoubling its efforts to proof its catalogs
>in the future to prevent this issue from recurring.
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>               We appreciate Lowe's for listening to its customers and
>responding appropriately to our concerns.
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11/23/2007 4:21:41 PM EDT
[#13]
GONIF
If you have a moment, and don't mind, tell me about the Bushmaster incident.  It's serious question, no bovine excrement, I would like to know
Still-Learning
11/23/2007 4:39:03 PM EDT
[#14]
IRT above post, I believe that Bushy paid some money to the victims of the DC Serial Shooter (NOT Snipers) because the rifle used was a Bushmaster.  I don't know all the spec's behind how much paid, exact reason they decided to pay (out of court settlement via civil lawsuit, etc...), but I'm almost 100% sure that's the thing behind Bushmaster.

BTW... Bushmaster means

Because
U
Should
Have
Money
After
Serial (shooters)
Target
Everyday
Random (people)


Hey... wadda you know... it fits and is pretty true to what they did.  Sometimes I'm amazed at what I come up with.
11/23/2007 4:43:13 PM EDT
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AJFinn
Nice of you to jump in.
Thanks a lot!
Still-Learning
11/23/2007 4:43:46 PM EDT
[#16]
Yea whats up with Bushmaster?What did they do now?
11/23/2007 6:30:56 PM EDT
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Paid $500,000 to the victim's families in the settlement.  Google "Busmaster and Beltway Snooper"  together.
11/23/2007 6:48:29 PM EDT
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Was this money "contributed" by Bushmaster or their insurance carrier? Hard to cast blame on Bushmaster either way.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beltway_sniper_attacks



Regulatory, civil actions

According to the Seattle Times in a story of April 20, 2003, Muhammad had honed his marksmanship at Bull's Eye's firing range. The newspaper also reported that Malvo told investigators that he shoplifted the 35-inch-long carbine from the "supposedly secure store." [2]

According to U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF) officials, the store and its owners had a long history of firearms sales and records violations and a file 283 pages thick. In July 2003, the ATF revoked the federal firearms license of Brian Borgelt, a former Staff Sgt. with the U.S. Army Rangers and owner of Bull's Eye Shooter Supply. Later that month he transferred ownership of the store to a friend and continued to own the building and operate the adjacent shooting gallery. [3]

On January 16, 2003, the Legal Action Project of the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence, on behalf of the families of many of the victims of the Beltway sniper attacks who were killed (including Hong Im Ballenger, "Sonny" Buchanan, Jr., Linda Franklin, Conrad Johnson, Sarah Ramos and James L. Premkumar Walekar) as well as two victims who survived the shooting (Rupinder "Benny" Oberoi and 13-year old Iran Brown) filed a civil lawsuit against Bull's Eye Shooter Supply and Bushmaster Firearms, Inc. of Windham, Maine, the gun distributor and manufacturer that made the rifle used in the crime spree, as well as Borgelt, Muhammad and Malvo. Muhammad, who had a criminal record of domestic battery, and Malvo, a minor, were each legally prohibited from purchasing firearms.

The suit claimed that Bull's Eye Shooter Supply ran its gun store in Tacoma, Washington, "in such a grossly negligent manner that scores of its guns routinely 'disappeared' from its store and it kept such shoddy records that it could not even account for the Bushmaster rifle used in the sniper shootings when asked by federal agents for records of sale for the weapon." It was alleged that the dealer could not account for hundreds of guns received from manufacturers in the years immediately prior to the Beltway sniper attacks. It was also claimed that Bull's Eye continued to sell guns in the same irresponsible manner even after Muhammad and Malvo were caught and found to have acquired the weapon there. Bushmaster was included in the suit because it allegedly continued to sell guns to Bull's Eye as a dealer despite an awareness of its record-keeping violations.

The case had been set for trial in April 2005. After losing several decisions as the case made its way through the courts, Bull's Eye contributed $2 million and Bushmaster contributed $500,000 to an out-of-court settlement. Bushmaster also agreed to educate its dealers on safer business practices.

After the settlement was announced, WTOP radio in Washington, D.C., reported that Sonia Wills, mother of victim Conrad Johnson, said her family took part in the lawsuit more to send a message than to collect money. "I think a message was delivered that you should be responsible and accountable for the actions of irresponsible people when you make these guns and put them in their hands," she said.
11/23/2007 7:13:05 PM EDT
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"I think a message was delivered that you should be responsible and accountable for the actions of irresponsible people when you make these guns and put them in their hands," she said.


So does that mean that we should start sueing all the alcohol manufacturers, vehicle companies, gas stations, and bottle makers when someone kills someone while a driver is DUI?

I think her quote should have been, "I am not sueing only Bushmaster and Bulls Eye because of the weapon, I'm sueing God because he (or she) made the weather and therefore gave the shooters the able to see; I am also sueing the parents of the shooters because had they not had their children and raised them in such a manner to prove to be violent, they wouldn't have shot the victims.  I am also sueing the parents of Malvo's ex-wife for which caused this whole event to happen because she divorced her ex-husband and was the kick-start incident for the shooting spree.  By the time I'm done, everyone will be accountable for this incident in one way or another."