Posted: 4/16/2007 12:58:49 PM EDT
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For too long Colleges have been government sponsored victim disarmament zones. It is far too easy for gunmen to walk into a college unopposed and slaughter innocents. The law prevents people who have had background checks conducted and undergone training from carrying on college campuses. Campus police are clearly inadequate, and cannot respond to a threat before dozens of people are killed. Imagine how worse the slaughter at VA Tech would have been if a group of heavily armed and trained Jihadis chose to attack as they did at Beslan Russia. In light of today's events, I believe it is important we draw attention to this issue. We should hold protests at college campuses around the state drawing attention to the fact that nothing will stop madmen other than armed resistance, and the tools of self-defense are expressly prohibited on college campuses. College Students...where/how can we do this in such a way as to avoid being kicked out/off college grounds. Are there any suitable public places near college campuses where protests can be held? |
There are always conservative elements at every school...and it doesn't just have to be them. We must stay on the offensive for gun rights. |
[Cartman] God damned hippies![/Cartman] ETA: I don't go to college nor do I ever plan to. However, someday my kids may and I don't want to see them having to go through every day without an adequate form of defense. If anything does get organized I'm definitely down to come show support. |
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Playing devil's advocate here (because I agree with your original post) Suppose college students who pass a background investigation are allowed to carry concealed, and one of the seven nights a week college kids drink and party, someone gets uber-drunk, pulls his gun, and... now multiply this possibility by all of the kids who might carry, then multiply by all of the nights of the week, then multiply by all of the colleges in the US... the possibility for carelessness or someone getting drunk and pissed off becomes very real indeed. I think the whole point of concealed carry is the first "c," but I assume some schools have metal detectors at some entrances. Don't know how much support this issue would get from the mainstream public. |
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As part of their training to carry concealed, emphasize the consequences that one would face if he got drunk and used his gun. Felony Felony Felony!!!!!! if you use your gun while drunk, doing stupid things, you might as well quit college because nobody wants to hire a convincted felon! Education is the key. |
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Agreed. However it would only take one such incident and the lefties would do their thing. Emphasis again that I overwhelmingly agree with you guys, just thinking what the critics are going to say. Personally, in the future, if a college student was (illegally) carrying concealed and managed to plug one of these monsters during the ordeal, before too much (or any) carnage was caused, I betcha they'd still try to hang the kid for carrying illegally. Our system punishes good guys and bad just the same. |
Made a few changes... I can see where you were coming from in your post however, just like anything else (eg; driving) there are rules/laws to abide by. I don't think if they legalize carrying on campus there's going to be hordes of people going out and getting a gun/ccw that wouldn't or don't own a gun or ccw outside of school already. Just my $.02 |
 Think my computer is acting up....can I go back to college?
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There is an interesting debate among faculty here via emails. Some are typical chicken-littles saying more guns = more killings while others are more rational suggesting that armed faculty and/or students could have stopped the VT killer long before he killed so many. |
| A coworker and I were assigned to work the airport today and this is the first thing he brought up, had a good discussion about it. Glad to see there is more discussion, esp among the u. community. Having worked at college campuses before, I know what some of the leftist faculty can be like. Hopefully some minds will be changed. |
To me, incidents like this are a damning indictment of the flawed liberal education system. How is it 30 people can just stand there and be shot one by one? Would it have happened 100 years ago? 50 years ago? I think not. Don't misunderstand me, I am not blaming those victims for getting killed. They were only doing what they've been conditioned to do since birth by the so called education system, with a big assist from television "programming". "Violence is always wrong." "Violence never settles anything." Remember two years ago when that 14 year old girl in Florida was recorded on video tape, calmly walking away with the scumbag that later raped and murdered her? She too was taught that violence was always wrong. How long do we have to endure this horsepuckey? How many well trained sheep have to die before people realize that almost always, the only way to stop wrongfully violent people is through the use of righteous violence? I honestly believe that if we do not turn this trend around, we will be extinct as a species within 200 years. Yes, I completely agree that if there were armed students or faculty there on the campus it would have been cut short. But all of the victims (so fas as I know) had hands and feet, all of them had pencils, pens and probably several other objects that could have become deadly weapons. Yet none of them chose to use them, because that would have been "wrong". Wake up, America. |
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Not to jack the thread, but I got this off foxnews.com and found it interesting. --- 4:09 p.m. ET: Sen Dem says gun control talk is "way way way too insensitive..premature": UPDATE: Democratic Senator Barbara Boxer (CA) told reporters after the regular, weekly meeting of her Caucus, that the VA Tech shooting had been discussed but that no substantive conversation had taken place on any possible legislatiave remedies. Boxer told reporters it's time to consider gun control measures, however, and that she's talking to her fellow California Democrat, Diane Feinstein, about a bill Feinstein is crafting to limit the number of bullets in a gun clip. This is a portion taken straight from the now-expired Assault Weapons Ban which previously outlawed clips with more than 10 bullets.Boxer added that another piece of legislation she co-authored with Colorado Democratic Senator Ken Salazar, former state Attorney General during the Columbine shootings, should be considered. This bill would "provide funding for schools through the Justice Department to improve school safety measures such as tiplines, surveillance equipment, and capital improvements to schools," according to an office press release. Boxer noted that this bill would not help on college campuses, however. Senate Judiciary Cmte Chairman Patrick Leahy (VT) said his committee would hold hearings on the VA Tech shooting, but, "It's way too early to talk about legislation." Freshman Democratic Senator Jon Tester (MT), himself a 2nd Amendment advocate, called any talk of gun control measures "way, way, way too insensitive and way, way, way too premature." Gun rights advocate, Sen. Larry Craig, R-ID, lashed out at those who would call for gun control as a result of the VA Tech shooting, calling it "political opportunism." Craig went on, "I've always believed in nations wher the greatest of human freedoms exist, sometimes the greatest of human abuses can occur. And there are those who are trying to leverage the greatest of human tragedies now." |
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Forget protests. While the iron is hot we need to strike. A couple of things. No weapons is the policy of the Bord of Regents, it is not Law. Universities are not schools under AZ law the way elementary and secondary schools are, so if you CCW (or openly carry) on university property you are not breaking the law, unless you are asked to leave and fail to comply, in which case it is a trespassing issue. They really have no hold over you unless you are a student. The place the fix this is at the state legislature. We need to basically ram down the Universities' throats (and the Board of Regents) that as a subdivision of the state of AZ such a "victim disarmament zone" policy will not be tolerated. |