Posted: 6/16/2005 1:36:44 AM EDT
I think I'm becoming prejudice towards people from California and I don't like it.  A lot of the socialistic laws and regulations in California are contrary to my beliefs. I don't even live there and I want to communicate to the CA legislature how upset I am about stuff like serialized ammo and bans on .50BMGs. I'm concerned that CA culture (the parts I don't like) and politics (most all of it I think) could influence other parts of the country and move us farther away from where I think we should be.When I see cars with CA license plates I think, "damn California gypsies, why don't you go back to your own damn hell-hole of a state! I don't want your brain-washed ways to ruin where I live too!" There's a family in my neighborhood that recently moved here from CA. I sort of grimace when I walk past there house and think of them negatively even though I don't really know them. I'm bothered that I think and feel stuff like that. I was raised to have an open mind and treat people as individuals. What's happening to me? So many CA folks are moving here that it is becoming a real source of agitation for me. I just get sooo burned up  about California! What can I do??   thanks for listening  |
I feel the same way as you do. I lived in CA 14 years ago for a short time and hated what I saw then. Most people that I ran into thought that their sh** did not stink. Now we are being overrun by them and their ideas. Give it time and they will turn AZ into CA. Meet your neighbors and find out how they are, before coming to any conclusions.
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I don't think you should feel this way. Yes, the STATE is making for some screwed up laws and it might start to leak our way. This is bad and must be fought tooth and nail. But he individuals from that state are not always liberal pukes. As a confession - I left there to live here 7 years ago because the state is getting screwed up. if you meet cali transplants trying to change AZ to match Cali then sho them the door. but if they are decent people here because what we have is what they want then welcome them as lost brothers. 
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Unfortunately, the majority of them moving here are NOT fed up gun owners. There is a 2 page thread going on right now on the Cali. forum about everyone hating Cali., something like "how can you stand it"--interesting read I was going to share with them that everyone trashes Cali. because the state seems to repeatedly breed the most anti-gun politicians, which affect NATIONAL policy, and even their state policies seem to get mimicked at a national level, also, the people they seem to export are always the anti-gunners, if it were the pro-gunners like the ones posting over there moving to the surrounding states you wouldn't here near as much about it. Figured I better stay out of their forum, no energy for a flame war. |
| we just keep lobbying our pols here and let them know we aren't going to put up with any fucked up CA type laws. if we wanted to live in CA we could move there. look at how right leaning this state is, it's not electing any more liberal pols is it? that tells me we are getting as many repubs coming in from CA as we are getting libs. |
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In my opinion this state is right leaning because of the amount of "original core" voters still out weights new lib voters, but the gap is slowly closing. Pima co. went Dem. last election, AND this messed up city (Tucson) sent Grijalva to Washington----rabid anti-gunner. Saw a breakdown of Yavapai co a while back-3/4 of new registered voters were Dem., and 3/4 of those came from Cal. ----And this co. and Prescott area used to be probably one of the most progun areas of the country. JUST MY 2 CENTS-- still love it here |
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Rose, I encountered the same problem back home in Wisconsin with the folk from Illinois. The names may change, but the story's always the same. Not ALL of the people deserve or merit your anger; some are Conservatives and Gun Owners fleeing the occupation. Others are liberals and anti-freedom types. Judge individually. ...and be careful on the roads. It's like those fuckers have never heard of turn signals........ Mike |
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I agree that Californians will start to ruin your state. I also feel illegals and overpopulation will also add to the downfall. Most Californians haven't known freedom in so long, they forgot what it is. As they cash in on their small $800,000 houses to buy $500,000 mansions in AZ, they'll bring their believe system with them. As AZ gets more urbanized, citizens will grow-up without guns. This will lead to the mentality that guns are bad and not needed in a "civilized society". The "only criminals have guns" mentality. I live in CA and just bought a house in AZ. I look forward to the freedom the state offers. Unfortanetly I see a time in the next 20 years where your freedoms will erode just as mine have in this state over the past 20 years. Just my opinion.
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1st) You need to bring like minded friends 2nd) send the others home. 3rd) Open carry (after getting AZ license) to incourage and remind the non believers that there are thos of us here who enjoy freedom and that they will face us (voting, just in case somebody jumps to the island of conclusions) if they attempt to take that right away. Damn that was a bit long winded, sorry but they are a requirement. and of course Welcome to the free'er stat of AZ. If your in the Norht valley we should go shooting. I think there is a shoot coming up on the 25th. |
Its unfortunate, but you are absolutely correct. Politics is a numbers game, and if you look at the numbers, they are slowly but surely shifting against us. Not to mention the even bigger problem we face ... that is the stealth Dems infiltrating the Republican party, the RINOs. The Deb Gullets, the Jay Tibshraneys, the Carolyn Allens, etc. These are people who tack an R after their names to get elected in a district that wouldn't elect them if if was a D, but that's what it really should be, if you look at their voting records, rhetoric, etc. Its those people, and the consitutents that put them in office, who brought Janet Napolitano to the Governor's office. You'd be amazed at the number of ostensibly Republican women who crossed party lines and voted for her over Matt Salmon. With friends like these ... What's the solution? Get active! Somewhere around 50% of the population isn't even registered to vote, and many of those who are don't even bother. Many of those people who don't vote are conservative or libertarian in their political orientation, and could sway elections in our direction if they stopped singing the "What can I do, I'm only one person?" song. Just imagine what could happen if the ten million people who are singing said song stopped singing it? ... The cause is not lost. It just needs a good, swift kick in the ass ... |
Ask the people in WA where only 128 (fraudulent) votes put a POS in as gov. Get yer ass to the voting booth. |
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As some of the other have said, don't judge your neighbors just by their license plates. There are plenty of conservative, pro RKBA Caifornians. Unfortunately we are getting overrun by the libs here. I've been lurking in the AZ Forum for some time now because I am bringing my family from CA to AZ. Just sold my house and just signed on the new place in AZ. I can't tell you how excited we are to get out of here and head to a free state. I'm bringing (among other things) my Bushmaster, my kids, my right thinking wife and my vote to Arizona. I'll be trading these Cali plates for cactus laden plates as soon as I get to town. The next trip will be the gun store for a new daily carry pistol (just cause I can). Sure, some of the left leaning Cali residents are cashing out to head to AZ and are skewing things a bit. But let's hope that I scare a few away when I open carry. |
i feel that way when i see Kerry-Edwards bumper stickers and somehow my truck always seems to find a way to cut them off. i think my truck hates kerry-edwards supporters(?) and believe me, tucson is loaded with those wacko's. funny how they always seem to be older white women and older white males that look rather spinless and drive tiny econo-boxes. not htat there's anything wrong with good gas milege, i wish a 4x4/V-8 could get 30 MPG! |
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So what are your problems in AZ that are influenced by Cali? What rights have been "infringed" upon you because of Cali? AZ has the largest illegal immigration problem in the country and they all come through your border and flood into AZ,NV,CA and the rest of the country.Talk about spreading problems....  Lets see you guys stop the illegal problem totally and we will work on getting our gun right restored ok,lol 
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I believe most Az. members here would welcome the GUN OWNING, PRO GUN RIGHTS Cali. citizens (most certainly Cali. ARFCOM  ) that were trying to escape that place. But unfortunately thats not what the majority is that is coming here. They're "offended" at open carry and are "disgusted" with concealed carry. Thats what we bitch about. Why don't you guys move here and leave them behind.I know and have met several people that have come from Cali. in the recent past. I have lived here for 20 years and can honestly only name 1 person that moved there---and that was due to family. |
But y'all kept telling us to MOVE. Where did you expect them to move too? And I got news for you, those people aren't mostly original Californians, so we're just sending them BACK!. Sgatr15 |
Even Kommiefornia conservatives are pretty liberal by our standards. |
I wonder about CA's serialized bullet (and firing pin stamp thing) legislation driving the cost of guns and ammo up. That's one specific example of CA's degenerative influence. Aside from that, you should realize that CA doesn't exist in a vacuum. It is a hugely influencial state. CA's laws and societal trends bleed into other areas of the country. That's mostly what I'm concerned about.
Huh? Closing our southern boarder is almost entirely a Federal concern. It has nothing to do with AZ laws. Each state is not charged with protecting a US-foreign border that is also the states' border. The Border Patrol is a Federal agency. That means YOU are just as responsible as everyone else in this country. Didn't you know that? Nevertheless, AZ did host a grass-roots effort to try and make a difference. Ever hear of the Minuteman Project? That's called AZ citizens (and others) standing up to try and right a wrong. Lots of national public attention was drawn to the border issue because of the Minuteman Project. When was the last time YOU or YOUR community did ANYTHING to make a difference. Think about it cause it's a serious question. I welcome conservative Californians or anyone who doesn't pose a threat in the voting booth. The bottom line is I don't want to see Arizona (or any other state) to go down the same path that CA has gone. I don't hate CA or Californians, I just don't understand why CA citizens have voted so far to the left. If there is something I'm missing, I'm all ears. |
To add to what Rose is saying, I mentioned earlier that politics is a numbers game. Take a look at the US House delegation from CA. It consists of 53 members, 33 Dems, 20 Reps. Of those 20 Reps, many are either squishy or outright anti-RKBA. The Dems, as you can imagine, are pretty much hopeless. Now add those 53 Congresscritters to the delegations from the other notoriously anti-RKBA states of NY and IL. NY gives us 29 members, 20 Dems, 9 Reps, with much the same consistency as the CA crew. IL gives us 19 members, 10 Dems, and 9 Reps, same deal. Between just those three states, we have 101 Congresscritters, nearly one quarter of the US House of Representatives. The vast majority of those 101 legiscritters are antis, either drastically so, or at least moderately so. And just over half of them are from CA. Oh, and did I mention that all six Senators from those three states are anti-RKBA Dems? Get the idea? When anti-gun laws get passed at the national level, a large part of the reason is the CA delegation to Congress. Something about "glass houses" keeps running through my head ... You "gun culture in hiding" folks over there in CA have basically one of two options, to my mind. You can come out of hiding, get militant, and try to do something to change the rather drastically stacked deck over there, or you can move. Strategically, the latter is probably the smarter move, as the former is an uphill climb of signifcant magnitude at this stage of the game. But hey, its your state. If you want to live there, you have to deal with the consequences. Part of those consequences, BTW, will be people in states like AZ wanting people from CA (and NY, for that matter) to stay the hell out of here. |
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Maybe I have been misinterpreting about a thousand different post on this crap, but I don't really think anyone has ever really said anything AGAINST the Cal. ARFCOM crew, except maybe alot of "I don't know how you can stand it their" type comments. Yet some of you seem SO BUTT hurt about any negative comments about CALIFORNIA, take it so personal and get so defensive. Can any of you deny that your states politics are WAY out of line, and that your state does influence NATIONAL politics???? And not in a positive way???? Wouldn't you all love to get rid of your fellow Californians of the type that we complain about??? Don't you guys complain about the same ones we do???? Is Cali. so wonderful that you defend NO MATTER WHAT? Even if you hate the same politics being bred there that we do??? |
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Having gotten the F out of Cali this year and set myself up in a nice quiet community in Yavapai Co, let me say this much.... Yes, Californios are coming in DROVES, unfortunately. As much as I HATE to say it because I so much prefer to have like-minded guys settle AZ, most of those Cali people are moving because of economic reasons - or for the Bigger, Better Deal - meaning Real Estate. They could hardly give a flying fuck about Arizona's shining freedoms it offers the newcomer. That's a given. I could be wrong, I wish - I hope... For the Cali guys on these boards, most still seem to be in denial of Cali's situation and what it means to them. Over the years I've had many a keyboard brawl with these guys over the issue. I believe many of them still think Arnold can save do anything positive RE: RKBA California. But hard feelings no more. It's just a pity to now know from personal experience all that my Cali brothers are missing out on and continue to deprive themselves of. I'm glad I made the move to a place where I have a fighting chance at saving. I'd like to show some of these guys our shooting range (open public land) which is 7/10ths mile down the street from my house on 1+ acre; there are 100,000s acres of public lands all around for hunting, riding, camping, etc. with trails galore, deer, javelina, rabbit, and quail running about everywhere. People in town think nothing of me when I ride about the streets (on the way to the outskirts) of town with my former Cali-unregistered AR15 strapped to the luggage rack of my quad ATV and an open-carried G30 by my side. Best of all, no crowds anywhere and few (rarely seen) LEO's or rangers around to babysit and look for 'violations' - why? Because everybody pretty much respects and behaves themselves, of course. It is more of a way of life out here. ROSE - to address your question, I can't hold it against you for feeling that way. Just remember, as another post already said give your neighbors a chance. maybe they're not smelly liberals. For all we know, your neighbor might be... me!  |