Posted: 2/26/2005 4:23:24 PM EDT
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Guy on my street is a big motorcycle buff, I have nothing against bikes, infact I plan to get one in a year or two. Problem is he bought his 3 kids those small kids-only dirt bikes and they ride them around the neighborhood (street has a huge desert area in the center, and they do laps around it) for hours on end. So not only do I get to listen to these damned loud (aftermarket pipes) dirt bikes all day long, but the brakes on them squeel so damned loud I can hear it over my TV. Arn't those things illegal to ride/drive in city limits on public roads? I know if it was his own private land it would be a different story. And yes, the guy doesn't seem to care what anyone around here thinks.... I'm not the only one here annoyed by this. |
guess I didn't describe the situation fully, they are driving them on the street around the desert area.... the desert area is already full of cactus -- infact I already had to chase his kids out of there twice for knocking cactus over with home made whips..... I was rather suprprised that when I was telling this kids to stop that they actually told me which house was theirs, otherwise I wouldn't of been able to tell their parents to actually act like parents. (I don't care if the kids screw up stuff on their parent's land). |
Thats fucked up, you might as well sneak over and slash their tires... Just do the grown up thing and FIRST go over and talk to them, let them know that the noise of their bikes is bothering you and see if they would be willing to put their stock exhaust on while theyre riding in the neighborhood, its not that hard to do. If the problem persists, just call the police and complain. Their bikes are most likely not street legal if the noise is as bad as you say. These are the kind of riders that make everyone look bad, just like shooters that get drunk and blast junk in the desert make shooters look bad. |
If they are under the legal driving age, then their parents are guilty of allowing a minor to drive. If they are driving on the street, they are required to be equipped and registered as any motor vehicle. That includes license plate, headlights, stop lamps, etc. |
mmmmm M18A1 <wipes drool> |
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Yer not gonna like this, but the best thing to do is to go talk to the parents and ask them to limit the time the kids spend riding, or transport them to the desert to ride, or muffle the things to a decent noise level. I had a similar experience a few years ago and I went and talked to the father and told him I heard some of the other neighbors talking (no names of course) and that they were talking about calling the police. I also handed him a motorcycle catalog opened to the mufflers page. He got the hint and in a few days the bikes were muffled and the kids were not riding in the early mornings or evenings anymore. I think all of us neighbors saw that as a decent compromise. About the worst thing you can do is start a war with a neighbor. Been there done that, it's not a good thing. |
Damn voice of reason. That's no fun. Cluster bombs are a good idea. Kevin |
Damn skippy. Sounds like a perfect opportunity for him to practice building IED's. |
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Those little things don't meet the definition of a 'motor-vehicle' per ARS, so a cop is not going to cite the parents for allowing a minor to drive. Likewise, they don't need plates, lights, horn, etc. to be driven on the street. A moped does, but those things are usually 49ccs, and so don't fall in the moped category either. Nothing in ARS actually addresses 'goped/small motorcycle' operation on public ways, so unless your city has an ordinance prohibiting it (Phoenix just passed one) then the best you can probably do, 5-0 wise, would be a complaint of unreasonable noise, or if the kids aren't wearing any protective gear, reckless endangerment, depending on the cops' attitude. :) |
If you are in Phoenix..... Phoenix city code 36.64a Operating motorized play vehicle on sidewalk, roadway,or any other part of a highway or on any bikeway, bicycle path or trail, equestrian trail or shared use path, is prohibited. Phoenix city code 36.64b pertains to operating motorized play vehicle on private property without the owners permission. Phoenix city code 36.64c covers operation on private property causing excessive, unnecessary, or offensive noise which disturbs the peace and quiet of the neighborhood. Phoenix city code 36.64d Parent or quardian allowing minor to operate play vehicle where prohibited. Phoenix city code 36.64e Unlawful for a merchant to sell motorized skateboards or motorized play vehicles without notifying consumer of city of Phoenix ordinance. Hope that helps, these laws became effective on 12-15-04 |
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Approach this issue from the dust perspective. These laws are Maricopa County, but all the counties in AZ have similar ones. www.maricopa.gov/ENVSVC/AIR/dust.asp Vacant lots and unpaved areas: The Air Quality Dust Control Program also investigates dust complaints concerning vacant lots, open areas, unpaved parking lots, and commercial livestock areas. Owners are required to use dust control measures on their properties, such as stabilization media (gravel or vegetation) or preventing trespassers on the property (see Vacant Lots for details). http://www.maricopa.gov/ENVSVC/AIR/DUST/DustVL.asp#VehicleUse Vehicle Use in Open Areas and Vacant Lots (Rule 310.01, section 301). This section concerns the use of unauthorized motor vehicles or off-road vehicles which are creating dust emissions from an open area or vacant lot. If the area is of sufficient size (0.10 acre) and is being sufficiently disturbed by vehicles (500 square feet or more), than the owner and/or operator of the area is required to use control measures to limit the emission of dust. Open Areas and Vacant Lots (Rule 310.01, section 302) This sections concerns open areas or a vacant lots which have a disturbed area larger than 0.5 acre (a disturbed area is where the surface earth has been moved, uncovered, or modified from its native condition). If such areas remain unused and undeveloped for more than 15 days than the owner and/or operator must use a control measure to help limit the emission of dust from the area. Control measures for this section includes establishing a vegetative ground cover (such as shrubs and grasses), applying dust suppressants, or applying surface gravel. The owner/operator could also stabilize and restore all disturbed areas so they are similar to adjacent or nearby undisturbed native conditions. To see control measures for Rule 310.01, section 302, go to Dust Control Measures. Control measures for this section include preventing vehicle access by installing barriers or fences. No trespassing signs or postings are also considered a control measure. Areas that have been disturbed by motor vehicles or off-road vehicles can be restabilized by surface gravel, chemicals (such as dust suppressants), or organic (such as vegetative cover) means. See Trespass Laws for statutes regarding illegal trespass on a property. |
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Well, I know that those little bikes are illegal. Few weeks ago when I got rear-ended by the motorcycle and was having the police report done.... A guy on one of those little mini bikes you buy from pepboys or whatever (had 2 really small rear wheels side by side) drove by, the cop told him to stop immediately. Come to find out they are 100% illegal to use unless your on private property (yours or a place that "races" them). According to the cop a lot of those little suckers can get up to 35mph but have trouble braking at such speeds. |
