Posted: 12/26/2004 10:24:43 AM EDT
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My brother bought me a Ruger K10/22-22. This is the first time someone finally bought me a gun for Christmas. For those that don't know what the K10/22-22 is, it's a stainless version with a 22" barrel and premium checkered stock. It kicks ass. I've had a basic 10/22 for about 13 years, but this one is a lot nicer. |
..........And Ryan can kiss me Arse...For not saying a Tinkers Cusp to me 
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Uhhhh....Ruger doesn't support gun control. Why the fuck would they? Sure they wanted to keep their Mini 14 and Mini thirty off of the ban list, what's wrong with that? Maybe they just don't like getting sued by every dumb fuck either. S&W and Colt have been much more "anti-gun" as you guys put it. It's weird, some jackass must have posted a thread one time that the Ruger company hates guns (that makes as much sense as saying Budweiser wants beer banned) and half the people on ARCOM bought it and just keep repeating it. It's sort of like the pro-illegal alien lie "they do the jobs no one else will do". That's idiotic bullshit as well. |
Bill Ruger played an instrumental role in the 10 round magazine ban portion of the AWB. The Ruger factory in Prescott investment casts more golf club heads and other items than they do firearms. There is good reason to boycott Ruger. |
They just hate other companies’ guns. It’s history not an opinion. They keep their own firearms neutered to where they feel comfortable, as witnessed by their efforts to keep factory thirty round mini-14 magazines out of the hands of civilians. |
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Well first of all, Ruger does investment casting, so they make money doing other things, that isn't bullshit. It's not like they said "lets make less of our guns so we can make golf clubs instead". The Mini14 and the Mini thirty are the only guns Ruger makes that would even have been effected by the AWB, if they wanted to keep them off of the ban list, that's not dumb. Bill Ruger didn't write the damn AWB, and he had no input on it. You guys are making it sound like the AWB was Rugers idea, and that he helped write it. This shit is simply not true, but if it makes you guys feel better to hate Ruger, well that's your right to do. I personally like Ruger guns. |
From one of Ruger's documents... The best way to address the firepower concern is therefore not to try to outlaw or license many millions of older and perfectly legitimate firearms (which would be a licensing effort of staggering proportions) but to prohibit the possession of high capacity magazines. By a simple, complete, and unequivocal ban on large capacity magazines, all the difficulty of defining "assault rifles" and "semi-automatic rifles" is eliminated. The large capacity magazine itself, separate or attached to the firearm, becomes the prohibited item. A single amendment to Federal firearms laws could prohibit their possession or sale and would effectively implement these objectives. |
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Well to the Ruger haters, if you owned a business that manufactured a product that was under constant assult from liberal politicians, hysterical citizens and the news media, I doubt you'd be the lone person to stand up and say "fuck them all, let them try and drive me out of business, I dare them". You'd be doing what you thought could help your business alive too. Like I said earlier, S&W and Colt both caved under the pressure too, and what they did was even worse. They're a business, they wanted to stay in business. Nobody should have to even worry about anti-gun bullshit, but unfortunately gun control was a really hot topic in the late 80's and into the nineties. It was worse then than it is even now. |
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To me there's a fine line between siding with Feinstein/Schumer/etc (Ruger) and choosing to no longer sell a particular item to the civilian market or simply pandering to them with bogus "smart gun" technology (Colt, S&W). I know it's kind of splitting hairs, but Bill Ruger gave the anti-gun crowd quite a PR opportunity, so I stopped giving him my business. It's not that I don't like Ruger firearms. It's killing me that my beliefs are preventing me from buying one of their rifles in .17 HMR, and I even own a couple of 10/22's that I bought before the AWB, but that doesn't change things. Bill Ruger owes the shooting community an apology for assisting with the AWB. Until he does, I spend my money elsewhere. And let's not forget these quotes from Bill Ruger: * "No honest man needs more than 10 rounds in any gun." * "I never meant for simple civilians to have my 20 or 30 round magazines or my folding stock." * "I see nothing wrong with waiting periods." |
Better get a Ouija board...  If he does come back in physical form, only head shots will work, I have seen the movies! This will be a whole new post with a poll.... if Bill Ruger comes back as a zombie what weapon would you use to stop him?....
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I don't believe he would have been alone had to talked with his fellow gunmakers. He *chose* to go it alone when he sided with the writers of the AWB. Not only that, but they pulled one over on him because he was originally proposing a 15-round limit, and they ended up putting in 10. History has shown us time and again that there is no such thing as a compromise when dealing with the gun ban crowd. Bill Ruger made a bad decision, one that was possibly aimed at hurting his competition, and I've simply made the decision to stop buying Ruger products. |
Yeah, cause we all know Armalite, Bushmaster, and guys like those at Cav Arms were just trying to stay in business when they supported the AWB. Oh wait, they never did support it... |
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Well if there were better guns for the money than the my 10/22's or P94 I might consider it, but there isn't. I own a: Ruger Model 96 .22 Magnum. Ruger 10/22 Ruger K10/22-22 Ruger P94 .40 Saying those guns suck because you hate Bill Ruger senior is just childish. If you choose not to own Ruger for whatever reason is one thing, to claim they their firearms are shit is flat out idiotic. Investment cast makes a gun suck? Thats funny, my P94 has never malfunctioned in any way, no failure to feed, no failure to excract not even once in 6 years. Most Kimber owners can't even say that, and if no malfunctions in 6 years makes a gun suck, then I wish all of my guns sucked. The whole point of this thread was just saying that I got a gun for Christmas, but in typical ARCOM fashion everybody has to turn somebody elses thread into their own mindless rant. Again, why am I supposed to give a fuck that some of you hate Ruger? What did you guys think was going to happen, I was going to take the brand new rifle worth over $200 and throw it in the garbage or what? If any of you Ruger hating fanatics are unlucky enough to have a Ruger gun of any kind I'll take it off your hands for you. |
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Investment casting makes said part require a lot more material to achieve the same strength as a forged or billet part. That's why ruger pistols are so bulky. Investment casting is cheap and saves money. Slide mounted controls have no business on handguns used for self defense. Take some training classes or start shooting IDPA and you'll quickly recognize that. |
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So...I can't use my Ruger P94 .40 to shoot someone in self defense? I wish the salesman had told me that before I bought it, but you know how they are. In fact, not realizing this until now, I had the audacity to bring mine when I left for work today like I do everyday. I sure hope no one tries to car jack me or anything on the way home because I can't shoot them even to save my life because I have a slide mounted decocker. I consider myself lucky that I haven't had to use it before now, I'd be dead right now if I did since I can't shoot a criminal with it. I wonder why I can shoot it in the desert just fine, but not at people. Hmm, strange. Another disturbing thought just crossed my mind, I also have 2 9mm's that aren't Rugers, but thay have slide mounted controls as well. They too seem to shoot just fine in the desert, but I haven't had to use them in self defense either...well I guess I couldn't have even if I thought I needed to. Maybe if I sold all three I might be able to get a ghetto Glock. I just hope it doesn't blow up in my face if I don't use just the "right" load. Or maybe a revolver since there are no slide mounted controls to worry about, but I'm sure there is something dangerously wrong with the design of Ruger revolvers so I'll look into Rossi instead. I'm starting to see the anti-Ruger light. He put slide mounted controls on his P series hand guns to prevent people from being able to use them for self defense because he hates guns so much. The weird thing is that this is the first I've heard of guns with slide mounted contriols not being able to be used for self defense. Another strange thing is that they can be used to commit crimes though, just not self defense. That Bill Ruger sure is tricky. Now you've got me worried about the cross bolt safeties on my Ruger rifles...surely there is an under lining anti-gun reason for those too. Thanks for the help. Anybody dumb enough to want to buy a P94, a 10/22, a K10/22-22 and a Model 96 .22 magnum? They're dirt cheap. Oh yeah and a Star Firestar and Star Model 30, they're for sale too because they have slide mounted controls. Best offer over $73.20 for the whole mess. |
Hmmm.... sounds like you are blending the replies from two or more of us here. Just to clarify: 1) I didn't say Ruger firearms suck because Bill Ruger supported the AWB, 2) I will not buy Ruger firearms because of his support of the AWB, and 3) I like their .22s (just won't buy a new one)
Ok, an apology is deserved here. However, I don't think we were the ones ranting.... 
It was just an opinion being expressed. It wasn't a personal attack. Lighten up, Francis. |
Actually your the one that made that conversation serious in your rantings about how great Rugar guns are.
Actually, no one ever asked your opinion either. 
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What is? That I got a K10/22-22 for Chrstmas and you guys didn't or that I have to defend my guns? If someone said I had an ugly girlfriend I defend her too...unless she actually was ugly.
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