Posted: 2/28/2012 5:14:39 AM EDT
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Here's a nightmare waiting to unfold:
Hidden Compartment Bill Proposed From the link: A proposed state law, advocated by Gov. John Kasich, would make it a fourth-degree felony to own a vehicle equipped with secret compartments.
The possible civil liberty infringements with this are without end. Every pickup truck with toolboxes, the "compartment" that holds your tire iron or jack, the portable safes so many of us have bolted to the floor under the seat, a ball/hitch storage compartment, etc become illegal. Heck, the wording is so vague that every car sold today could be construed to have illegal "hidden compartments." This literally makes every stop for a speeding ticket into a felony arrest. Link to the actual text of the proposed bill: Bill's Text E-mail/call your state senator & rep TODAY. Call the governors office, too. Let them know that the people are against it. |
| I think your going a little over board with your concern. I'll agree that the law needs to be fine tuned to what I believe there tying to address. And that's the smugglers hiding drugs and even humans in some case's. I don't think there worried about your tool box in your pickup. Unless your running meth. Spend some time down on the border in TX. And see how the cartels is trying to hide there product to get it this fare. If you only knew how the OSP are catching SO MANY on the Ohio Turnpike and at entry point into the state. You'd be crying foul at the top of your lungs. |
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If you only knew how the OSP are catching SO MANY on the Ohio Turnpike and at entry point into the state. You'd be crying foul at the top of your lungs. Why don't you enlighten us, then? Fine-tuning MIGHT work with this bill, but the way it is written right now I am an instant felon. Whether or not the cops are "worried about me" matters not, I will not stand for Ohio becoming a police state. |
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If you only knew how the OSP are catching SO MANY on the Ohio Turnpike and at entry point into the state. You'd be crying foul at the top of your lungs. Why don't you enlighten us, then? Fine-tuning MIGHT work with this bill, but the way it is written right now I am an instant felon. Whether or not the cops are "worried about me" matters not, I will not stand for Ohio becoming a police state. +1. All you need to do is look at the "Seatbelt Law" from inception until now. Slippery slope. A "hidden compartment" with nothing in it is just that, a hidden compartment. No reason for an arrest. Not too far off of convicting a man for rape because he has a penis. |
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I will not stand for Ohio becoming a police state. Good luck, but your late to the race. Read on....... How fare will high end machine sniff for Radiation,Chemical Weapons, Gun powder and so on??? Up to 150 ft is what i'm told. So all you need is a controlled environment to run it in, and you'll find what ever you build it for. And that's what they have installed on the Ohio Toll Road and at entry points. And main routes into the state. And they can detect large amounts of Pot,Meth, H,and Cocaine. I've seen them installed, And seen them work, And watched as the OSP and other LEO use and track shipments too,threw, and from Ohio. It's not sniffing small amounts, its the large parts per million when it sends up the red flag. These where installed in 2007-2008 on the OTC. Then later installed in other area's after they where proved to work. Don't believe me??? Google the OSP drug stops on the Ohio Toll Road. And you'll find the same story on EVERYONE of the arrest case's. The Officer/Trooper used the "Speeding, Unsafe lane change" or any other minor reason to stop them. Only because they have been tagged by the camera's when they got on and where they get off, and any time you stop in a rest area. It's 99% controlled test area. Ask me how this was brought up to me?? Youngest brother is OSP on the toll road. Middle brother is a contractor that helped install the sniffing system in 2007. Hope that helps open your eye's. |
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Just read your local weekly newspaper. Felony charges routinely stem from "non-illuminated" license plate or "improper lane change" stops. Not that these are more than tickets, but the cop usually sees or smells something giving them "cause" to search the vehicle.
State police agencies have had radiation detectors for at least 20 years. Drug sniffing is fairly simple albeit expensive technology. And don't forget those license plate scanners that read and process every license plate that runs thru their field of vision. I've seen a demo of a system that can be remotely mounted on (say) an overpass. Reads every license plate AND prints out their speed. Tracks dozens simultaneously. The next step in ticketing. –– Chuck |
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Ok, here is an option, if the govn't sees fit to make it illegal for me to do anything, because i MIGHT be carrying something illegal.
Every time i am stopped and searched for illegal items (note: bags in my truck, TSA at the airport, etc) and they find NOTHING, then they pay me $1000 for my time and violation of the 4th Amendment. I would then be HAPPY to submit to their searches. It would probably end up costing less in the long run, than all the money they spend to stop less than a few percent of illegal product being moved. I say STOP FUCKING TREATING ME LIKE A CRIMINAL!!!!!!!! If someone gets caught moving drugs, illegal weapons, burglary, assault, murder, etc, then THROW THE FUCKING BOOK AT THEM!!!!!! Stop the idea of "rehabilitation" and make it PUNISHMENT. Hard, nasty, terrible, punishment, that you NEVER want to go through again. In conclusion, anytime laws are made to try and stop criminals, it just hurts the LAW ABIDING citizens, because the criminals have nothing to lose. 
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You don't understand. We can't search the nervous looking Muslims unless it's their "turn" for a random check. It might hurt their feelings.
We search 4 year old children, retired generals, and little old ladies when their turn comes up and ignore the next four swarthy, heavily perfumed guys next in line. I can only imagine how they laugh at our stupidity and waste of money and resources we expend. –– Chuck |
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Same law got struck down in IL due to being ruled unconstitutional.
http://www.swlearning.com/blaw/cases/constitutional/1008_constitutional_01.html http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_8_23/306835_IL_hidden_compartment_law_declared_unconstitutional.html |
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Quoted: Ok, here is an option, if the govn't sees fit to make it illegal for me to do anything, because i MIGHT be carrying something illegal. Every time i am stopped and searched for illegal items (note: bags in my truck, TSA at the airport, etc) and they find NOTHING, then they pay me $1000 for my time and violation of the 4th Amendment. I would then be HAPPY to submit to their searches. It would probably end up costing less in the long run, than all the money they spend to stop less than a few percent of illegal product being moved. I say STOP FUCKING TREATING ME LIKE A CRIMINAL!!!!!!!! If someone gets caught moving drugs, illegal weapons, burglary, assault, murder, etc, then THROW THE FUCKING BOOK AT THEM!!!!!! Stop the idea of "rehabilitation" and make it PUNISHMENT. Hard, nasty, terrible, punishment, that you NEVER want to go through again. In conclusion, anytime laws are made to try and stop criminals, it just hurts the LAW ABIDING citizens, because the criminals have nothing to lose. Agree with EVERY word. |