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4/4/2011 11:09:16 AM EDT
I am looking to start shooting long range 500+ yards and eventually 1000 yards. i was thinking on going with a 300 min mag or 300wsm or maybe even a 7 mag. I am looking at a couple of rifles, a savage 10 and a few remington 700s any input form anyone who shoots these ranges would be great. i currently can shot 3-5 inch groups at 300 yards with my ar. But really want to improve my longer ranges. i have a 308 but dont feel that it is a good round for 700+ yard range. i want to get a rifle that i can keep up grading as i improve. Thanks for any help.
4/4/2011 1:17:01 PM EDT
[#1]
300 win mag
4/4/2011 2:04:54 PM EDT
[#2]
I shoot my 308 out to 1200yards fairly often.  I think you are selling the cartridge a bit short.  That said there are plenty of LR rounds to look at that will buck the wind better than the 308.  The .260 rem being a real popular one.  For example,  there were a couple instances of my partner/spotter shooting with zero wind dialed at targets in the 500-700 range this weekend with his new 260,  while I was running about half a mil of wind on those targets with my 308.

I'd check out some of the LR forums and do some research.  I'd also call Tom Sarver at Thunder Valley and pick his brain.  He's a big 260 guy, but he can help give you pros/cons to all the rounds you are considering.
4/4/2011 2:31:03 PM EDT
[#3]
Get to a match at Rayner's or Thunder Valley and see what your .308 will do. I personally wouldn't build a .308, but I wouldn't shitcan it either if it was all I had. I'm pretty fond of the 7mm Rem Mag, but have been playing with a 7mm-08 lately as well. It really is an endless argument between efficiency and performance.

There is so much more to it than just the caliber, but it's hard to explain without just doing it . Besides the rifle in an adequate caliber you'll need a capable scope with target knobs and it helps if you are able to handload for performance.
4/4/2011 4:27:25 PM EDT
[#4]
What they said.  The .308 will shoot well at 1000 yds.  Sure there is always something arguably better, but you should try it before buying anything new.
4/4/2011 6:14:18 PM EDT
[#5]
www.dtechsuperstore.com

Mike is an awesome AR builder and will build u one in 300 WSM

Check him out, hes a big man over at predatormasters.com
4/4/2011 6:21:49 PM EDT
[#6]
www.dtechsuperstore.com

Mike is an awesome AR builder and will build u one in 300 WSM

Check him out, hes a big man over at predatormasters.com
4/5/2011 1:26:50 AM EDT
[#7]
I'd look into the optic first.  Make sure you have enough vertical adjustment to go the distance.  The Scope, base, and rings could run you up to 2K.  

If you reload, ignore this comment.  Price out some of the 7mm or 300WSM factory ammo before buying the rifle.  Everyone I know that has a 7mm that buys ammo rarely shoots the dam thing.  

I personally like 308 for a few reasons.

Loading components are readily available
Long barrel life (4-5K) (bolt gun)
battle proven


Good luck

bigohio
4/5/2011 12:31:36 PM EDT
[#8]
308 past 800y, u need to use a 175+ gr bullet, the 168 wont cut it. if your gun can shoot the 200+gr bullets, that will get you past 1300.

but, u need to ask your self what u want the gun for?

just long target?

if thats the case, i wouldt use any 30 cal, go 6.5, the 6.5 creedmore or rem 260

savage Model: 12 Long Range Precision
http://www.savagearms.com/firearms/finder/

ill post some balastic data if a bit...
4/5/2011 12:43:47 PM EDT
[#9]


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6.5 vs 308....
4/6/2011 4:07:56 AM EDT
[#10]
Why not put enough rounds through it to be comfortable Out to say, 700 yards? By then your barrel will have given you your monies worth and just re-barrel in a more LRS oriented caliber like the previously mentioned .260 and 6.5C
4/6/2011 6:44:53 AM EDT
[#11]
What is the twist on your .308 barrel? That will tells us the weight of the bullet you can shoot.
4/13/2011 4:01:22 PM EDT
[#12]
Thanks for all the input its been very helpful. But due to getting laid off i now have to wait a little while till i can get anything new. so 308 it will be for now.
4/13/2011 4:16:40 PM EDT
[#13]
Quoted:
308 past 800y, u need to use a 175+ gr bullet, the 168 wont cut it. if your gun can shoot the 200+gr bullets, that will get you past 1300.

but, u need to ask your self what u want the gun for?

just long target?

if thats the case, i wouldt use any 30 cal, go 6.5, the 6.5 creedmore or rem 260

savage Model: 12 Long Range Precision
http://www.savagearms.com/firearms/finder/

ill post some balastic data if a bit...


Damn someone better tell my .308 spitting 155gr Lapua Scenars they can't get past 800 yards. Cause they are screwing around and making hits on 8"x18" steel at 1150 yards.
4/14/2011 6:12:52 AM EDT
[#14]
Im fairly new to the AR 308 version so help me out too.  What twist barrel do I need to stabilize at 175gr pill?
4/15/2011 5:11:35 AM EDT
[#16]
Quoted:
Im fairly new to the AR 308 version so help me out too.  What twist barrel do I need to stabilize at 175gr pill?


You should be fine with a 10,11,or 12 twist barrel.