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2/18/2009 6:02:03 PM EDT
I was reading the Ohio Attorney Generals page and noticed that it stated that firearms must have barrel lengths of at least 18 inches????  I thought the 18 inch rule was for shotguns and 16 inches for rifles?  I cannot find any place where a distinction is made between the two.

Can anyone offer enlightenment?

ETA  where can I find the language about transporting loaded magazines or clips in motor vehicles?

Thanks again
2/18/2009 7:02:18 PM EDT
[#1]
ORC 2921.13 (F) "Sawed-off firearm" means a shotgun with
a barrel less than eighteen inches long, or a rifle
with a barrel less than sixteen inches long, or a
shotgun or rifle less than twenty-six inches long
overall.

2923.16 Improper handling firearms in a
motor vehicle.
(A) No person shall knowingly discharge a
firearm while in or on a motor vehicle.
(B) No person shall knowingly transport or
have a loaded firearm in a motor vehicle in such
a manner that the firearm is accessible to the
operator or any passenger without leaving the
vehicle.
(C) No person shall knowingly transport or
have a firearm in a motor vehicle, unless it is unloaded
and is carried in one of the following
ways:

(1) In a closed package, box, or case;
(2) In a compartment that can be reached
only by leaving the vehicle;
(3) In plain sight and secured in a rack or
holder made for the purpose;
4) In If the firearm is at least twenty-four inches in overall length as measured from the muzzle to the part of the stock furthest from the muzzle and if the barrel is at least eighteen inches in length, either in plain sight with the action open or the weapon stripped, or, if the firearm is of a type on which the action will not stay open or which cannot easily be stripped, in plain sight.

Sec 2923.16 (K)(5) "Unloaded" means, with any of the following:
(a) No ammunition is in the firearm in question, and no ammunition is loaded into a magazine or speed loader that may be used with the firearm in question and that is located anywhere within the vehicle in question, without regard to where ammunition otherwise is located within the vehicle in question.
2/18/2009 7:59:55 PM EDT
[#2]
Quoted:
2923.16 Improper handling firearms in a
motor vehicle.
(A) No person shall knowingly discharge a
firearm while in or on a motor vehicle.
(B) No person shall knowingly transport or
have a loaded firearm in a motor vehicle in such
a manner that the firearm is accessible to the
operator or any passenger without leaving the
vehicle.
(C) No person shall knowingly transport or
have a firearm in a motor vehicle, unless it is unloaded
and is carried in one of the following
ways:

(1) In a closed package, box, or case;
(2) In a compartment that can be reached
only by leaving the vehicle;
(3) In plain sight and secured in a rack or
holder made for the purpose;
4) In If the firearm is at least twenty-four inches in overall length as measured from the muzzle to the part of the stock furthest from the muzzle and if the barrel is at least eighteen inches in length, either in plain sight with the action open or the weapon stripped, or, if the firearm is of a type on which the action will not stay open or which cannot easily be stripped, in plain sight.

Sec 2923.16 (K)(5) "Unloaded" means, with any of the following:
(a) No ammunition is in the firearm in question, and no ammunition is loaded into a magazine or speed loader that may be used with the firearm in question and that is located anywhere within the vehicle in question, without regard to where ammunition otherwise is located within the vehicle in question.


There is an exception for CHL holders transporting loaded handguns:

ORC 2923.16 (F)

(5) Divisions (B) and (C) of this section do not apply to a person who transports or possesses a handgun in a motor vehicle if, at the time of that transportation or possession, all of the following apply:

(a) The person transporting or possessing the handgun is carrying a valid license or temporary emergency license to carry a concealed handgun issued to the person under section 2923.125 or 2923.1213 of the Revised Code or a license to carry a concealed handgun that was issued by another state with which the attorney general has entered into a reciprocity agreement under section 109.69 of the Revised Code.

(b) The person transporting or possessing the handgun is not knowingly in a place described in division (B) of section 2923.126 of the Revised Code.

(c) One of the following applies:

(i) The handgun is in a holster on the person’s person.

(ii) The handgun is in a closed case, bag, box, or other container that is in plain sight and that has a lid, a cover, or a closing mechanism with a zipper, snap, or buckle, which lid, cover, or closing mechanism must be opened for a person to gain access to the handgun.

(iii) The handgun is securely encased by being stored in a closed glove compartment or vehicle console or in a case that is locked.


So, if all of your handguns are transported in one of these manners and you have a CHL, you can have loaded mags for them all you want. For example, if you have them in cases sitting out on the back seat or whatever, you would be GTG (with a valid CHL). I do this on my way to the range so I can head off with loaded mags. Or you can just use locked cases and put them in the trunk (or anywhere else).
2/18/2009 8:08:29 PM EDT
[#3]
Good Correction.  I just assumed by the nature of the question the OP was not refering to CHL.  It would be silly if you couldn't carry mags for the gun they license you to carry....

ETA: This revision last year really pissed me off, except for the glovebox/console provision.  I guess on the bright side, if I carry my OA-93 in my glove box, I can carry all of the loaded AR mags I want.

2/19/2009 11:33:43 AM EDT
[#4]
Thanks for the help