[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Florida CLEO Sign Off Thread (Page 1 of 5)
Posted: 9/2/2013 12:09:56 PM EDT
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Thanks to the recent EO, this is going to be a hot topic.
Maybe we should have a thread where people indicate if their CLEO will or will not sign. With that in mind, does anyone know if Pasco Sheriff Nocco will sign? I seem to recall Pasco was no, but was that the previous guy? Thanks Hunterex! 
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As I understand it this is not an EO but a changing of the 'rules' by ATF. Also as I "understand" there is currently no change to existing trusts but, I wouldn't doubt that a year or two down the road all legal entities will need come into compliance with the new rules. I also expect prices to drop and or plummet sooner than later. Hope I'm wrong.  just my .02¢ / YMMV / Etc, etc... |
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Quoted: The dickhead Gualiteiri in Pinellas County won't sign. Don't know about any of the police chiefs as I am in unincorporated Pinellas. Maybe we should just have people respond based on who will sign as Osprey alluded to. I wonder if Bernie McCabe will, or if there are any local judges who would do it? I'm in the same boat as you.
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As I understand it this is not an EO but a changing of the 'rules' by ATF. Also as I "understand" there is currently no change to existing trusts but, I wouldn't doubt that a year or two down the road all legal entities will need come into compliance with the new rules. I also expect prices to drop and or plummet sooner than later. Hope I'm wrong.
just my .02¢ / YMMV / Etc, etc... The way it was explained to me, and I could be wrong, trusts are going to need to be signed off also soon. |
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The way it was explained to me, and I could be wrong, trusts are going to need to be signed off also soon. Quoted:
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As I understand it this is not an EO but a changing of the 'rules' by ATF. Also as I "understand" there is currently no change to existing trusts but, I wouldn't doubt that a year or two down the road all legal entities will need come into compliance with the new rules. I also expect prices to drop and or plummet sooner than later. Hope I'm wrong.
just my .02¢ / YMMV / Etc, etc... The way it was explained to me, and I could be wrong, trusts are going to need to be signed off also soon. Correct, this EO is exclusive in place to force signature on Trust. |
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Quoted: Correct, this EO is exclusive in place to force signature on Trust. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: As I understand it this is not an EO but a changing of the 'rules' by ATF. Also as I "understand" there is currently no change to existing trusts but, I wouldn't doubt that a year or two down the road all legal entities will need come into compliance with the new rules. I also expect prices to drop and or plummet sooner than later. Hope I'm wrong. just my .02¢ / YMMV / Etc, etc... The way it was explained to me, and I could be wrong, trusts are going to need to be signed off also soon. Correct, this EO is exclusive in place to force signature on Trust. Corporations as well. |
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I thought that the purpose of the sign-off was to state that the item is legal to own..... Not to ask permission...... If these Sheriffs can not do their job and support their voters, then the voters need to vote them out! Red  Well that is the purpose. It becomes permission because they HAVE to give an answer for the process to proceed. In ancient days of yore the sheriff likely did have some insight into the goings on and character of most of the people in their jurisdictions and there was no centralized repository of data on people's past. They were the go-to source as to the character of the people living around them. Those days are long gone and this antiquated attitude about their knowledge is being used to beat on us. The way they keep their jobs is the other party always seems to find someone less palatable. I'm not a Nocco fan. His campaign against the spice sellers seems a massive waste of resources since it's a county prohibition, not even state or federal. It also seems to say there's no real drugs to chase around here anymore. Add on the cops don't look like cops anymore. OD green coveralls just don't say "cop" to me. But that's WAAAAAAY off topic. And I started this topic. |
| Put simply... There are millions of dollars that have spleen spent on trusts and collections by law abiding citizens over the years in the Tampa area. I for one intend to continue to spend... If not on NFA... Then I'll spend on lawyers and lobbiests to bend over police chiefs and sheriffs that don't sign. It only takes a few hundred of us to make political life difficult via mayor offices and sheriff campaigns. |
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Quoted: Then trusts will be essentially useless. Going forward, correct. It'll soon be a matter of the NFA stuff you already have on a trust will be the last of it....be grateful for getting in while you could. Anyone who didn't get NFA stuff before this goes through will be SOL....as CLEO sign off is rare in most places.
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Going forward, correct. It'll soon be a matter of the NFA stuff you already have on a trust will be the last of it....be grateful for getting in while you could. Anyone who didn't get NFA stuff before this goes through will be SOL....as CLEO sign off is rare in most places. Quoted:
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Then trusts will be essentially useless. Going forward, correct. It'll soon be a matter of the NFA stuff you already have on a trust will be the last of it....be grateful for getting in while you could. Anyone who didn't get NFA stuff before this goes through will be SOL....as CLEO sign off is rare in most places. when will this kick in? I may need to get a couple silencers if I still have time. |
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Quoted: Going forward, correct. Quoted: Quoted: Then trusts will be essentially useless. Going forward, correct. It'll soon be a matter of the NFA stuff you already have on a trust will be the last of it....be grateful for getting in while you could. Anyone who didn't get NFA stuff before this goes through will be SOL....as CLEO sign off is rare in most places. I was thinking this was retroactive? |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Then trusts will be essentially useless. Going forward, correct. It'll soon be a matter of the NFA stuff you already have on a trust will be the last of it....be grateful for getting in while you could. Anyone who didn't get NFA stuff before this goes through will be SOL....as CLEO sign off is rare in most places. I was thinking this was retroactive? Bassed on what? DOJ/NFA stamps that have already been issued and have satisfied the requirements at the time of submission/approval. Requirements satisfied, stamp issued. To retroactively require CLEO sign off would essentially mean confescation as CLEO sign off is simply not an option for most people. I don't see retroactive CLEO sign off as being a condition. |
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Put simply... There are millions of dollars that have spleen spent on trusts and collections by law abiding citizens over the years in the Tampa area. I for one intend to continue to spend... If not on NFA... Then I'll spend on lawyers and lobbiests to bend over police chiefs and sheriffs that don't sign. It only takes a few hundred of us to make political life difficult via mayor offices and sheriff campaigns. I like the cut of your jib, sir. |
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Judd in Polk is touch and go - sometimes he will, sometimes he won't. I know many people that went the Trust route because they were refused. I was wondering about him. Just have to dress up nice, like you're going to church, and have a camera rolling. I bet he'll sign. |
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Quoted: Nothing gets signed off on in Manatee or Sarasota. Quoted: Quoted: From what I understand, neither steube in manatee or knight in sarasota will sign for sbr as they claim they don't understand why anyone needs one, not sure where they stand on suppressors. Nothing gets signed off on in Manatee or Sarasota. Politicians of a feather... |
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Do the forms need to be signed by the CLEO in the county we live in or can we go to any CLEO? Quoted:
Do the forms need to be signed by the CLEO in the county we live in or can we go to any CLEO? Q: What law enforcement officials’ certifications on an application to transfer or make an NFA weapon are acceptable to ATF?
As provided by regulations, certifications by the local chief of police, sheriff of the county, head of the State police, or State or local district attorney or prosecutor are acceptable. The regulations also provide that certifications of other officials are appropriate if found in a particular case to be acceptable to the Director. Examples of other officials who have been accepted in specific situations include State attorneys general and judges of State courts having authority to conduct jury trials in felony cases. [27 CFR 479.63 and 479.85] |