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6/25/2013 5:06:55 AM EDT
Nothing this kid did is illegal under Florida Law, including discharging a firearm in a residential area. State Law has pre-emptied all local laws since the eighties, and the only state law is against reckless and negligent discharge, which requires that the bullet leave your property. Trapping or killing nuisance animals  is not illegal either.

Some Deputy Dufus is trying to make a case which the State Attorney will have to drop.

But the kid is still in jail, and his family will have to post bond, and lawyers paid, and a huge hassle.

Don't post on facebook.

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Cross posted in GD
6/25/2013 7:58:02 AM EDT
[#1]
Shoot, shovel, shut up

WP
6/25/2013 10:59:45 AM EDT
[#2]
Ive never seen a trapped raccoon cower in fear like that idiot reporter said
6/25/2013 5:56:35 PM EDT
[#3]
This is ridiculous.

The video quickly showed the petition. The first name was from Ecuador. WTF does an Ecuadorian person care about an Orlando possum.

He's 17; is animal cruelty a felony or misdemeanor?
6/25/2013 5:57:04 PM EDT
[#4]
I'm sad to say that I'm from Brevard Co, and this is complete horsesh!t! The county sheriff is very pro 2nd amendment, so I have a hard time believing that it was a sheriffs deputy that made the arrest. Was probably Melbourne PD, Melbourne is turning into a liberal city.
6/25/2013 6:51:50 PM EDT
[#5]
IIRC, it is illegal for an unlicensed person to transport and release a wild animal, not sure why the trapper would give that advice. My guess is they are saying he taunted or otherwise inflicted emotional distress on the animal before killing it. Arrest by force of public opinion is a dangerous practice.
6/25/2013 7:02:03 PM EDT
[#6]
That professional trapper is a moron.
http://myfwc.com/conservation/you-conserve/assistnuisance-wildlife/faqs/#what
"Live-captured nuisance wildlife must be released legally or euthanized humanely within 24 hours of capture or trap inspection."

https://www.avma.org/KB/Policies/Documents/euthanasia.pdf
"A properly placed gunshot can cause immediate
insensibility and a humane death. Under some conditions, a gunshot may be the only practical method of euthanasia"
6/25/2013 8:00:33 PM EDT
[#7]
Quoted:
IIRC, it is illegal for an unlicensed person to transport and release a wild animal, not sure why the trapper would give that advice. My guess is they are saying he taunted or otherwise inflicted emotional distress on the animal before killing it. Arrest by force of public opinion is a dangerous practice.


Even if the kids gets off on the Felony Animal Cruelty charge, which he should, they may still go after him with hunting without a license if he does not have one and killed it outside the property where he lives...Opossums are Game Animals in Florida

I think they said he's 17, so he needs a license unless:
You hunt or freshwater fish in your county of residence on your homestead or the homestead of your spouse or minor child, or if you are a minor child hunting or freshwater fishing on the homestead of your parent.
http://www.myfwc.com/license/recreational/do-i-need-a-license/
6/25/2013 8:15:34 PM EDT
[#8]
Quoted:
IIRC, it is illegal for an unlicensed person to transport and release a wild animal, not sure why the trapper would give that advice. My guess is they are saying he taunted or otherwise inflicted emotional distress on the animal before killing it. Arrest by force of public opinion is a dangerous practice.


Yep.  Just ask George Z.
6/25/2013 8:19:04 PM EDT
[#9]
Quoted:
Quoted:
IIRC, it is illegal for an unlicensed person to transport and release a wild animal, not sure why the trapper would give that advice. My guess is they are saying he taunted or otherwise inflicted emotional distress on the animal before killing it. Arrest by force of public opinion is a dangerous practice.


Even if the kids gets off on the Felony Animal Cruelty charge, which he should, they may still go after him with hunting without a license if he does not have one and killed it outside the property where he lives...Opossums are Game Animals in Florida

I think they said he's 17, so he needs a license unless:
You hunt or freshwater fish in your county of residence on your homestead or the homestead of your spouse or minor child, or if you are a minor child hunting or freshwater fishing on the homestead of your parent.
http://www.myfwc.com/license/recreational/do-i-need-a-license/


Please show me where they are a game animal. I can't find it..
6/25/2013 9:09:27 PM EDT
[#10]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
IIRC, it is illegal for an unlicensed person to transport and release a wild animal, not sure why the trapper would give that advice. My guess is they are saying he taunted or otherwise inflicted emotional distress on the animal before killing it. Arrest by force of public opinion is a dangerous practice.


Even if the kids gets off on the Felony Animal Cruelty charge, which he should, they may still go after him with hunting without a license if he does not have one and killed it outside the property where he lives...Opossums are Game Animals in Florida

I think they said he's 17, so he needs a license unless:
You hunt or freshwater fish in your county of residence on your homestead or the homestead of your spouse or minor child, or if you are a minor child hunting or freshwater fishing on the homestead of your parent.
http://www.myfwc.com/license/recreational/do-i-need-a-license/


Please show me where they are a game animal. I can't find it..


Yeah, the FWC website sucks, if they would just list every species in the 'By Species' section, it would make things a lot easier.

Resident game birds, mammals and migratory birds

Resident game birds—quail and wild turkeys
Resident game mammals—deer, gray squirrels and rabbits
Furbearers—bobcats, otters, raccoons, opossums, coyotes, beavers, skunks and nutrias
Migratory game birds—ducks, geese, common moorhens, coots, snipe, rails, woodcocks, mourning doves and white-winged doves
Protected mammals—Florida black bears, fox squirrels and Florida panthers cannot be taken or pursued.

http://myfwc.com/hunting/regulations/birds/
6/25/2013 10:10:54 PM EDT
[#11]
Under the nuisance wildlife section of FWC's website it only lists a license as being required if using a gun and light at night. Even if they did him for that it would be much less than a felony for animal cruelty. He would be covered if he were on someone else's property at their request due to the nuisance animal.
6/26/2013 6:40:14 PM EDT
[#12]
Quoted:
Quoted:
IIRC, it is illegal for an unlicensed person to transport and release a wild animal, not sure why the trapper would give that advice. My guess is they are saying he taunted or otherwise inflicted emotional distress on the animal before killing it. Arrest by force of public opinion is a dangerous practice.


Even if the kids gets off on the Felony Animal Cruelty charge, which he should, they may still go after him with hunting without a license if he does not have one and killed it outside the property where he lives...Opossums are Game Animals in Florida

I think they said he's 17, so he needs a license unless:
You hunt or freshwater fish in your county of residence on your homestead or the homestead of your spouse or minor child, or if you are a minor child hunting or freshwater fishing on the homestead of your parent.
http://www.myfwc.com/license/recreational/do-i-need-a-license/


Possums and raccoons can be taken year round.

License is not needed on the property if it's his parent's homestead.

Possums are not game animals.

Illegal to transport any live raccoon in Fl.  Trapper is wrong.

Nipster, FWC 1999-2003.
6/26/2013 8:12:27 PM EDT
[#13]
I hunt, I fish and I shoot.  But to me, all of you debating this incident may have not considered that this kid may be a bit "strange."

What is the point of trapping the animals just to shoot them in their cages?  I personally think there is something deeper going on here that could unfortunately rear it's head later in the form of disasterous behavior

At 17, if he has no respect for animals, what will he be like at 20?  25?

Go ahead, let me have it but it is just my 2cents.
6/26/2013 9:44:29 PM EDT
[#14]
Quoted:
I hunt, I fish and I shoot.  But to me, all of you debating this incident may have not considered that this kid may be a bit "strange."

What is the point of trapping the animals just to shoot them in their cages?  I personally think there is something deeper going on here that could unfortunately rear it's head later in the form of disasterous behavior

At 17, if he has no respect for animals, what will he be like at 20?  25?

Go ahead, let me have it but it is just my 2cents.


Nuisance animals that are causing damage or other harm are commonly trapped and euthanized (shot). It's easier and safer to trap them first instead of waiting for them to come around while you sit there (no missing a moving animal or wasted time). Or maybe he is just "strange", it would still need to be shown he was doing something illegal.
6/26/2013 10:33:33 PM EDT
[#15]
Kid shoud have made clean shots and not posted it on fb. I'm sorry but there is a difference between "euthanizing" an animal and just being a sadistic sick fuck, this kid is a sick fuck.

Eta I've killed my fair shit of stuff over the years, I just dot get joy out of watching things suffer.
6/26/2013 10:35:17 PM EDT
[#16]
Quoted:
I hunt, I fish and I shoot.  But to me, all of you debating this incident may have not considered that this kid may be a bit "strange."

What is the point of trapping the animals just to shoot them in their cages?  I personally think there is something deeper going on here that could unfortunately rear it's head later in the form of disasterous behavior

At 17, if he has no respect for animals, what will he be like at 20?  25?

Go ahead, let me have it but it is just my 2cents.


Exactly this kid is a little off.
6/27/2013 12:24:47 AM EDT
[#17]
Quoted:
Kid shoud have made clean shots and not posted it on fb. I'm sorry but there is a difference between "euthanizing" an animal and just being a sadistic sick fuck, this kid is a sick fuck.

Eta I've killed my fair shit of stuff over the years, I just dot get joy out of watching things suffer.


Maybe I didn't see the whole video but I didn't see anything that indicated he was a "sick fuck". I concur that efforts need to be made to get clean shots and a clean/quick kill.
6/27/2013 2:39:32 AM EDT
[#18]
Quoted:
This is ridiculous.

The video quickly showed the petition. The first name was from Ecuador. WTF does an Ecuadorian person care about an Orlando possum.

He's 17; is animal cruelty a felony or misdemeanor?


Guranteed theres more animal cruelty going on in Ecuador........dont you love assholes poking there nose in other places.......makes you want to say deal with your own country and all the fucking issues you have first
6/27/2013 8:49:15 AM EDT
[#19]
Quoted:
Kid shoud have made clean shots and not posted it on fb. I'm sorry but there is a difference between "euthanizing" an animal and just being a sadistic sick fuck, this kid is a sick fuck.

Eta I've killed my fair shit of stuff over the years, I just dot get joy out of watching things suffer.


Exactly.   At 17 he has no problem shooting animals and letting them suffer?  Make it a clean kill or no kill.  He taunted and deliberately aggravated the animals then did a face shot.   I have no sympathy for the kid.  

[flame suit].

6/27/2013 8:17:09 PM EDT
[#20]
Quoted:
Quoted:
I hunt, I fish and I shoot.  But to me, all of you debating this incident may have not considered that this kid may be a bit "strange."

What is the point of trapping the animals just to shoot them in their cages?  I personally think there is something deeper going on here that could unfortunately rear it's head later in the form of disasterous behavior

At 17, if he has no respect for animals, what will he be like at 20?  25?

Go ahead, let me have it but it is just my 2cents.


Nuisance animals that are causing damage or other harm are commonly trapped and euthanized (shot). It's easier and safer to trap them first instead of waiting for them to come around while you sit there (no missing a moving animal or wasted time). Or maybe he is just "strange", it would still need to be shown he was doing something illegal.


State Parks do this all of the time with feral animals and nuisance animals like raccoon's.
6/28/2013 2:09:00 PM EDT
[#21]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
IIRC, it is illegal for an unlicensed person to transport and release a wild animal, not sure why the trapper would give that advice. My guess is they are saying he taunted or otherwise inflicted emotional distress on the animal before killing it. Arrest by force of public opinion is a dangerous practice.


Even if the kids gets off on the Felony Animal Cruelty charge, which he should, they may still go after him with hunting without a license if he does not have one and killed it outside the property where he lives...Opossums are Game Animals in Florida

I think they said he's 17, so he needs a license unless:
You hunt or freshwater fish in your county of residence on your homestead or the homestead of your spouse or minor child, or if you are a minor child hunting or freshwater fishing on the homestead of your parent.
http://www.myfwc.com/license/recreational/do-i-need-a-license/


Please show me where they are a game animal. I can't find it..



Raccoon, opossum, coyote, beaver, skunk, nutria, Statewide, Year round.
Hunting raccoons or opossums at night is allowed, but only .22­-caliber rimfire firearms (other than .22-mag­nums) or single-shot .410-gauge shotguns (using shot not larger than size 6) may be used.  Hunting raccoons or opossums by displaying or using lights from moving vehicles, vessels or animals is prohibited.  It is illegal to transport wild-trapped live raccoons within, into or from the state, except by FWC permit or authorization.


Next to last FWC
Bag Limit: No limits on any species
7/1/2013 11:41:16 AM EDT
[#22]
What a crock of liberal bullshit! He should have never let her video & post it b
It he's just a kid - stupid mistake blown way out of proportion by mass social media.




Always apply the three S philosophy to these type of situations: Shoot, Shovel, Shutup.
7/3/2013 4:08:59 PM EDT
[#23]
Quoted:
Kid shoud have made clean shots and not posted it on fb. I'm sorry but there is a difference between "euthanizing" an animal and just being a sadistic sick fuck, this kid is a sick fuck.

Eta I've killed my fair shit of stuff over the years, I just dot get joy out of watching things suffer.


This, Fuck this kid.
7/3/2013 5:57:45 PM EDT
[#24]
Meh, Both generally try to dig in the trash and tussle with the dogs.  I've got no problem dispatching them, of course its quiet and without a stupid ass girl making noise in the background.

Kid may be off, but I don't see what he did as illegal.

7/3/2013 8:49:41 PM EDT
[#25]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Kid shoud have made clean shots and not posted it on fb. I'm sorry but there is a difference between "euthanizing" an animal and just being a sadistic sick fuck, this kid is a sick fuck.

Eta I've killed my fair shit of stuff over the years, I just dot get joy out of watching things suffer.


This, Fuck this kid.


Nice 1st post
7/4/2013 10:26:23 AM EDT
[#26]
he missed, dont see how that makes for charges. Shouldnt have put it on FB - we all know liberals hate animals being killed. This kid did nothing wrong besides miss. I got money saying those that are all upset have never dealt with pests before ...