[ARCHIVED THREAD] - New push for Open Carry... (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 8/8/2012 11:46:45 AM EDT
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From Today:
Tampa Bay Times article Marion Hammer: NRA wants new open-carry law in Florida The National Rifle Association will seek to pass a bill legalizing the open carrying of firearms in Florida during the 2013 session of the state Legislature, renewing a crusade for expanded gun rights that faltered last year, a longtime lobbyist for the group said today. |
| Excellent! Hopefully we don't get defeated again by "compromising" Republicans and a hand full of outspoken liberals. This time around we should just say up front that our objective is for open carry of licensed carriers. None of this bullshit about protecting people from prosecution who momentarily flash they're weapon they're attempting to conceal. Even if you don't intent to actually open carry yourself you should still be behind this a gun owner and advocate of freedom. |
Well I'm sort of on the fence of open carry if it's a good thing or not.
Only kidding ,I hope It passes this time.No on the fence for me, I want open carry now !!! It would make life so much easier in that I can go back to wearing a full sized pistol concealed but not worry about it printing. |
| You can bet the Florida Sheriff's Association will chime in again. They were Luke warm to the open carry and wanted to add a level 2 retention holster requirement as well as an open display of your license. The holster aspect may effect your carry options. I want open carry but am on the fence if I would actually do it. I don't like to advertise my hardware. |
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When the current Bill was being discussed Sheriff's came out in force with SAs to kill it. A compromise was struck. No one would be charged for unintentional exposure. The links below show us how that worked out. http://www.allnineyards.com/2012/06/arrested-and-prosecuted-for-accidental-exposure-of-lawfully-carried-handgun/ http://1787network.com/2012/01/florida-gun-owners-still-face-arrest-and-prosecution-for-innocent-exposure-of-handguns/3515 |
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. Even if you don't intent to actually open carry yourself you should still be behind this a gun owner and advocate of freedom. I only carry concealed and will continue to do so. I will support this bill only if it does not expand off limits places. I would also oppose any amendments that make ignoring a sign posted at say, a movie theater or MCDonalds a crime. Things need to stay as they are with the only change being that firearms owners can carry openly. |
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I am not going to hold my breath. Wasn't she the one that helped kill it last time? Pretty much, but I think they were trying to slide it through last time and got called on it so they 'compromised'. Hammer wasn't the only one that folded without a fight so I'm guessing that there was something else going on behind the scenes that forced them to settle for what we got...which wasn't much. |
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. Even if you don't intent to actually open carry yourself you should still be behind this a gun owner and advocate of freedom. I only carry concealed and will continue to do so. I will support this bill only if it does not expand off limits places. I would also oppose any amendments that make ignoring a sign posted at say, a movie theater or MCDonalds a crime. Things need to stay as they are with the only change being that firearms owners can carry openly. I couldn't agree with you two more! I saw this on the news tonight and was really pleasantly surprised. Of course our Sheriff, second Sheriff in as many years, was running his suckhole against this. The news showed their results from their online poll was 70% in favor and 18% against +/- 10. I will rarely if ever do it, probably only when my girl and I walk at night. I hope this goes through!! |
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Publicity stunt; IMO, last time round she was instrumental in killing the bill , which appeared to be a shoo in to be enacted, at the 11th hour after a closed door meeting with the chamber of commerce when a "compromise" was agreed to out of the clear, blue, sky.
I remember reading her comments as to how it was vocal open carry advocates who killed the bill and that it was never really meant to be an open carry bill at all. 
Marion Hammer was instrumental in expanding the gun rights of Floridians and IMO, we all owe her a huge debt; but I believe her history on open carry is somewhat bizarre. During the last attempt a passing a open carry bill, all the stars wherein alignment and it appeared certain to go before the governor for his signature and then......poof...it magically died in favor of a very poor substitute. Whether or not you intend to open carry, it is the nee plus ultra of gun rights. It cements your right to possess a firearm for protection outside the home because it's a right you can openly exercise. I can't imagine that an open carry bill will be enacted after what happened to the last one though. |
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Quoted: I would rather have campus carry or carry in bars when not drinking, but I will happily take open carry even if I will never do it myself. Campus carry over open carry? Really? Open carry effects every CCW holder, while campus carry effects a tiny fraction. Makes no sense. |
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I would rather have campus carry or carry in bars when not drinking, but I will happily take open carry even if I will never do it myself. Campus carry over open carry? Really? Open carry effects every CCW holder, while campus carry effects a tiny fraction. Makes no sense. Here's an idea...how about both? There isn't a law against 2 gun bills passing in the same year. Campus carry is starting to get traction in other states so I wouldn't be surprised to see it brought up here in the next year or two. |
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Quoted: Publicity stunt; IMO, last time round she was instrumental in killing the bill , which appeared to be a shoo in to be enacted, at the 11th hour after a closed door meeting with the chamber of commerce when a "compromise" was agreed to out of the clear, blue, sky. I remember reading her comments as to how it was vocal open carry advocates who killed the bill and that it was never really meant to be an open carry bill at all. Marion Hammer was instrumental in expanding the gun rights of Floridians and IMO, we all owe her a huge debt; but I believe her history on open carry is somewhat bizarre. During the last attempt a passing a open carry bill, all the stars wherein alignment and it appeared certain to go before the governor for his signature and then......poof...it magically died in favor of a very poor substitute. Whether or not you intend to open carry, it is the nee plus ultra of gun rights. It cements your right to possess a firearm for protection outside the home because it's a right you can openly exercise. I can't imagine that an open carry bill will be enacted after what happened to the last one though. I could be wrong, but I thought Hammer gave up on it after the "accidental exposure" bullshit became the mantra, with the intent of asking for a do-over later. |
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Quoted: The campus carry advocates were the first to be sold out last time and the majority said, "it's not all that great a loss considering what we have to gain". Then we were all sold out. There's a lesson to be learned there. Frankly, I'd rather have the big picture addressed (open carry) and then have the ability to then work on details (campus carry), than insist on details out of the gate that could be prohibitive to getting the big picture accomplished at all. I understand what you're saying, but getting open carry on the books, at all, is vastly more important than peppering a bill with details that effect the periphery of the over all subject. Would all of the above be desirable? Of course, but it doesn't necessarily work like that. Addressing 95% of a subject and getting it accomplished, is vastly better than insisting in 100% of the subject and running in to knee-jerk backroom derailment at the 11th hour. |
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Any place that we can find a particular sheriff's stance on the issue? I'm sure a number of them spoke out against it the last time. It would be great if the NRA had a rating for them like they do politicians. Both the former and current Pinellas County Sheriffs have come out against it and Everett Rice who's running for Sheriff here came out and said this isn't about open carry, the NRA doesn't really want open carry and that he's against it!  he is rated an A by the NRA, so that rating doesn't mean really anything!!
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I was so sure that we were going to get it last time, I almost bought a nice outside the waistband holster. Someone needs to call to carpet those LEO officers that made those insane claims of felon motorcycle gangs with CCW permits and spreading undue fear to the committee last time. |
| I would never open carry in the general public for weapon retention issues and the element of surprise, if attacked. I do support an open carry law as it expands our rights and keeps police and prosecutors from trying to find gray areas in order to prosecute law abiding citizens. |
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I would rather have campus carry or carry in bars when not drinking, but I will happily take open carry even if I will never do it myself. Campus carry is a law whose time came a long time ago. On the other hand, open carry is a "big picture" thing. Open carry leads to more normalization which leads to acceptance, which opens the door to other things. That said, I'd rather keep it the way it is than get an open carry law that also increased location restrictions. Always keep moving forward, never back. |
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When the current Bill was being discussed Sheriff's came out in force with SAs to kill it. A compromise was struck. No one would be charged for unintentional exposure. The links below show us how that worked out. http://www.allnineyards.com/2012/06/arrested-and-prosecuted-for-accidental-exposure-of-lawfully-carried-handgun/ http://1787network.com/2012/01/florida-gun-owners-still-face-arrest-and-prosecution-for-innocent-exposure-of-handguns/3515 Hey, that first video is my hometown! I'm... proud? |
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I am in support of OC if for nothing else than to prevent the whole accidental exposure/printing BS. Though I am in favor of it generally
I saw Eric Friday on the 10 o'clock news They need to add a provision to it making it illegal for a cop to detain someone about their weapons unless they otherwise have reason to suspect the person did or might commit a crime. After all, are cops allowed to assume you don't have a driver's license and pull you over just to check? Would need a penalty otherwise it would end up like the state preemption law. last week I got pulled over after printing at an exit ramp gas station that was full of loitering deputies. and GA is a OC (w/ permit) state. Next, I'll just leave and go to another gas station. Getting tired of having to skulk around for trying to exercise my right to SD. http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_8_35/494424_.html&page=1 TIme to vote. who voted against the bill last time? I know the bill wasn't an OC bill so it doesn't mean much as to who voted for or against it but I would like to punish... Who came out against OC and camput carry? |
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I read the email that Sean from Open Carry sent out today.
From some of the links in the emails it gives two different impressions. In one article it quotes Marion Hammer and supporting an open carry bill next year and in another the complete opposite. From the Action News Jax link, "But despite recent headlines saying otherwise, NRA’s former president and head lobbyist Marion Hammer told Action News they are not pushing for a new open carry law, just a correction to curtail what they call abuse." |
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When the current Bill was being discussed Sheriff's came out in force with SAs to kill it. A compromise was struck. No one would be charged for unintentional exposure. The links below show us how that worked out. http://www.allnineyards.com/2012/06/arrested-and-prosecuted-for-accidental-exposure-of-lawfully-carried-handgun/ http://1787network.com/2012/01/florida-gun-owners-still-face-arrest-and-prosecution-for-innocent-exposure-of-handguns/3515 Hey, that first video is my hometown! I'm... proud? Ft. Pierce is 2 different cultures. I only like the culture not on streets that start with numbers and avenues that end with letters. |
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I want open carry now !!! It would make life so much easier in that I can go back to wearing a full sized pistol concealed but not worry about it printing. Exactly!!!!! It's not about trying to threaten, scare, or intimidate someone with a gun on your hip. I would even throw my shirt over it, despite the fact that it would print obviously. To me, it's all about carrying a full-sized pistol and not on the inside of my pants. Too bad Ms. Hammer didn't seize the opportunity last year. |
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http://www.ammoland.com/2011/05/01/response-to-rude-open-carry-blogger/#axzz23CIEzl00
"SB-234 and HB-517 were filed on behalf of NRA and USF and they were NEVER about “open carry.” http://www.tampabay.com/news/politics/legislature/marion-hammer-nra-wants-new-open-carry-gun-law-in-florida/1244820 "We are going to address the problem of law-abiding gun owners exercising their Second Amendment rights, because they're being harassed," Hammer said. "The goal of the new bill will be exactly as it was in 2011 — to protect law-abiding people who have a license to carry." |
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I would rather have campus carry or carry in bars when not drinking, but I will happily take open carry even if I will never do it myself. how about shall not be infringed and leave it at that. your opinion shouldn't equal our rights. Reading comprehension fail there Rocksarge. Why don't you go over the passage again and try to understand what the author was conveying. |
