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A quick search show hit or miss on reliability for this brand and if it is a bad one the fix comes down to replacing the extractor and spring, is this true?
Is it worth the price and if so, how hard would it be to convert to a K (with the shorter barrel) I have been tossing the idea around to buy and SBRing a ZENITH Z-5P MKE PISTOL but they aren't taking orders and i'm running out of time before the 14th (won't do it after) Any opinions today would help Also, going to Green bay would be the better part of the day for me to get it so that would need to be included in the cost, not that i'm complaining about taking a drive but it would be about $60.00 in fuel. http://www.armslist.com/posts/5630239/green-bay-wisconsin-rifles-for-sale--sw5-mp5-for-sale-- |
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A quick search show hit or miss on reliability for this brand and if it is a bad one the fix comes down to replacing the extractor and spring, is this true? yes, they are hit or miss. some need replacement springs others have needed new bolts. Is it worth the price and if so, how hard would it be to convert to a K (with the shorter barrel) I think it is worth it to try it, maybe this one runs 100% already. Changing to a true K would require a new receiver. The K model had a shorter receiver and shorter barrel. Barrel replacement is normally done by a pro since it requires a shop press. I have been tossing the idea around to buy and SBRing a ZENITH Z-5P MKE PISTOL but they aren't taking orders and i'm running out of time before the 14th (won't do it after) Any opinions today would help Also, going to Green bay would be the better part of the day for me to get it so that would need to be included in the cost, not that i'm complaining about taking a drive but it would be about $60.00 in fuel. http://www.armslist.com/posts/5630239/green-bay-wisconsin-rifles-for-sale--sw5-mp5-for-sale-- |
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They are pretty hit or miss. It took hundreds of dollars in new parts to get mine to a place where it would function reliably. If the price is right sub 1000 or you can actually verify this MP5 will dump at minimum 3 mags without a FTE. Sub $1000 will allow you to buy the correct parts to make it right - hopefully. I'm still swapping parts out on my bobcat mp5 (same builder as the sw5). I've been working on this gun for 10 years - LOL. I'll get sick and pissed at it and she'll sit in the safe for 5 years. I actually just ordered a new HK navy Trigger pack for it. I'm hoping this will be the final fix. If not, I'm sending it off to a real builder. Bottom line - I'm probably into mine with collapsible stock, SBR, bolt, locking piece etc 2500+ |
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A quick search show hit or miss on reliability for this brand and if it is a bad one the fix comes down to replacing the extractor and spring, is this true? yes, they are hit or miss. some need replacement springs others have needed new bolts. Is it worth the price and if so, how hard would it be to convert to a K (with the shorter barrel) I think it is worth it to try it, maybe this one runs 100% already. Changing to a true K would require a new receiver. The K model had a shorter receiver and shorter barrel. Barrel replacement is normally done by a pro since it requires a shop press. I have been tossing the idea around to buy and SBRing a ZENITH Z-5P MKE PISTOL but they aren't taking orders and i'm running out of time before the 14th (won't do it after) Any opinions today would help Also, going to Green bay would be the better part of the day for me to get it so that would need to be included in the cost, not that i'm complaining about taking a drive but it would be about $60.00 in fuel. http://www.armslist.com/posts/5630239/green-bay-wisconsin-rifles-for-sale--sw5-mp5-for-sale-- How much would that cost? I'm not sure I want the longer style? edit : the receiver is the serialized part of the gun? |
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If you are going to pay for a conversion, you might as well buy a parts kit and just have a gun made. There are a few high quality boutique places that will get you something together for about the same cost as buying that SW5 and converting it... and the final product will be worlds higher in quality.
It sounds like you want a HK clone, just not a full size. You are better off just buying a Zenith Z-5K/P from Antlantic and being done with it. |
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If you are going to pay for a conversion, you might as well buy a parts kit and just have a gun made. There are a few high quality boutique places that will get you something together for about the same cost as buying that SW5 and converting it... and the final product will be worlds higher in quality. It sounds like you want a HK clone, just not a full size. You are better off just buying a Zenith Z-5K/P from Antlantic and being done with it. Kinda what i'm starting to think.... but Atlantic still isn't taking orders |
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Atlantic is boofooed from the mini panic they got hit with, but they should be taking orders again after the first I think. Which is possibly tomorrow or next week?
If you are desperate there are a few Z5P's and Z5K's on Gunbroker right now at more or less the same price as Atlantic. The Zenith guns are a good deal as they come with a sling, detachable rail, three 30 round mags and are built on real HK machinery to HK specs. I own three of them and they are wonderful guns worth every penny. |
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How much would that cost? I'm not sure I want the longer style? edit : the receiver is the serialized part of the gun? Quoted:
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A quick search show hit or miss on reliability for this brand and if it is a bad one the fix comes down to replacing the extractor and spring, is this true? yes, they are hit or miss. some need replacement springs others have needed new bolts. Is it worth the price and if so, how hard would it be to convert to a K (with the shorter barrel) I think it is worth it to try it, maybe this one runs 100% already. Changing to a true K would require a new receiver. The K model had a shorter receiver and shorter barrel. Barrel replacement is normally done by a pro since it requires a shop press. I have been tossing the idea around to buy and SBRing a ZENITH Z-5P MKE PISTOL but they aren't taking orders and i'm running out of time before the 14th (won't do it after) Any opinions today would help Also, going to Green bay would be the better part of the day for me to get it so that would need to be included in the cost, not that i'm complaining about taking a drive but it would be about $60.00 in fuel. http://www.armslist.com/posts/5630239/green-bay-wisconsin-rifles-for-sale--sw5-mp5-for-sale-- How much would that cost? I'm not sure I want the longer style? edit : the receiver is the serialized part of the gun? correct, it is the serialized part that is considered a gun. You would need to buy a K receiver and have the guts transferred in. Keep in mind the full size receiver's stock will not fit the K without a lot of work. The a3 collapsible and a2 fixed attach with a single pin. The K attaches in a different manor and requires 2 pins. I agree with others, if you want the K, just buy one or have one made. Converting is going to be expensive. |
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Quoted: A quick search show hit or miss on reliability for this brand and if it is a bad one the fix comes down to replacing the extractor and spring, is this true? Is it worth the price and if so, how hard would it be to convert to a K (with the shorter barrel) I have been tossing the idea around to buy and SBRing a ZENITH Z-5P MKE PISTOL but they aren't taking orders and i'm running out of time before the 14th (won't do it after) Any opinions today would help Also, going to Green bay would be the better part of the day for me to get it so that would need to be included in the cost, not that i'm complaining about taking a drive but it would be about $60.00 in fuel. http://www.armslist.com/posts/5630239/green-bay-wisconsin-rifles-for-sale--sw5-mp5-for-sale-- American clones do not change hands at $1k or below. That's a pipe dream. |
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Bullshit. The only difference is you have someone to complain to when you get a turd MKE. Quoted:
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Just order a Zenith online. They are head and shoulders above the US clones. Bullshit is a matter of perspective. I've personally owned four US made clones, three of them were non functional right out of the box brand new (a Bobcat, and two Coharies... all three "Bailey guns"). The Bobcat went back and forth two times and never ran right until I did my own part swapping. I wound up selling it at a loss. The two Cohaires I troubleshot myself and after replacing most of their guts with second gen RCM parts and HK stuff they both ran well. My fourth was a first gen Vector that ran like a sewing machine from day one (also Bailey parts). I also have friends who own other "current" US clones (a Dakota Tac, an AA gun, a Ghilliebear gun, several PTRs and an IGF gun) and they all run like tops. I think when most people today sneeringly say "US clones" they mean Bailey guns from ten years ago, and not the current Atlantic Arms or Omegas or PTRs or any of the 3K+ boutique guns. The domestic clone market has really shored itself up in the last five years or so. A big reason a lot of folks like myself like the Zenith / MKE guns are because they offer a decent quality gun with a bunch of accessories for the market price. They are built by a contractor who builds for the Turkish military on HK equipment. Does that make them perfect in every way? Nope. Anything manufactured is susceptible to defects, even glorious germanic HK guns (I've actually seen a factory defective USP). I agree with your verbose rant in the other thread that MKE (and POF) guns are not magical HK sanctioned perfection... but they are a great "deal" for what you get, you get a warranty and you get guns that are as close to generational HK spec as you can get (no G3 rear sights on 9mm guns, no full size sling mounts on K guns, etc.). Bailey, for all the good he brought to the market brought a lot of long lasting "bad" that people are still trying to shake. We live in a wonderful time right now where the market is veritably FLOODED with the best quality clones we have ever had. IMO for the OP to buy a used Special Weapons gun, even at a ridiculous discount, that he will then spend even more money on converting to his taste is not worth it. He should just get a currently made clone and be done. I recommended Zenith because I own three and all three are sewing machines. I'm biased due to my history with Bailey guns, but I'm also biased that I like my clones to be clones in pattern as well as make and the MKEs offered me the closest in setup for the best value. |
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Quoted: Bullshit. The only difference is you have someone to complain to when you get a turd MKE. Quoted: Quoted: Just order a Zenith online. They are head and shoulders above the US clones. |
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Bullshit. The only difference is you have someone to complain to when you get a turd MKE. Quoted:
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Just order a Zenith online. They are head and shoulders above the US clones. Why so mad bro? |
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Quoted: Bullshit is a matter of perspective. I've personally owned four US made clones, three of them were non functional right out of the box brand new (a Bobcat, and two Coharies... all three "Bailey guns"). The Bobcat went back and forth two times and never ran right until I did my own part swapping. I wound up selling it at a loss. The two Cohaires I troubleshot myself and after replacing most of their guts with second gen RCM parts and HK stuff they both ran well. My fourth was a first gen Vector that ran like a sewing machine from day one (also Bailey parts). I also have friends who own other "current" US clones (a Dakota Tac, an AA gun, a Ghilliebear gun, several PTRs and an IGF gun) and they all run like tops. I think when most people today sneeringly say "US clones" they mean Bailey guns from ten years ago, and not the current Atlantic Arms or Omegas or PTRs or any of the 3K+ boutique guns. The domestic clone market has really shored itself up in the last five years or so. A big reason a lot of folks like myself like the Zenith / MKE guns are because they offer a decent quality gun with a bunch of accessories for the market price. They are built by a contractor who builds for the Turkish military on HK equipment. Does that make them perfect in every way? Nope. Anything manufactured is susceptible to defects, even glorious germanic HK guns (I've actually seen a factory defective USP). I agree with your verbose rant in the other thread that MKE (and POF) guns are not magical HK sanctioned perfection... but they are a great "deal" for what you get, you get a warranty and you get guns that are as close to generational HK spec as you can get (no G3 rear sights on 9mm guns, no full size sling mounts on K guns, etc.). Bailey, for all the good he brought to the market brought a lot of long lasting "bad" that people are still trying to shake. We live in a wonderful time right now where the market is veritably FLOODED with the best quality clones we have ever had. IMO for the OP to buy a used Special Weapons gun, even at a ridiculous discount, that he will then spend even more money on converting to his taste is not worth it. He should just get a currently made clone and be done. I recommended Zenith because I own three and all three are sewing machines. I'm biased due to my history with Bailey guns, but I'm also biased that I like my clones to be clones in pattern as well as make and the MKEs offered me the closest in setup for the best value. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Just order a Zenith online. They are head and shoulders above the US clones. I've personally owned four US made clones, three of them were non functional right out of the box brand new (a Bobcat, and two Coharies... all three "Bailey guns"). The Bobcat went back and forth two times and never ran right until I did my own part swapping. I wound up selling it at a loss. The two Cohaires I troubleshot myself and after replacing most of their guts with second gen RCM parts and HK stuff they both ran well. My fourth was a first gen Vector that ran like a sewing machine from day one (also Bailey parts). I also have friends who own other "current" US clones (a Dakota Tac, an AA gun, a Ghilliebear gun, several PTRs and an IGF gun) and they all run like tops. I think when most people today sneeringly say "US clones" they mean Bailey guns from ten years ago, and not the current Atlantic Arms or Omegas or PTRs or any of the 3K+ boutique guns. The domestic clone market has really shored itself up in the last five years or so. A big reason a lot of folks like myself like the Zenith / MKE guns are because they offer a decent quality gun with a bunch of accessories for the market price. They are built by a contractor who builds for the Turkish military on HK equipment. Does that make them perfect in every way? Nope. Anything manufactured is susceptible to defects, even glorious germanic HK guns (I've actually seen a factory defective USP). I agree with your verbose rant in the other thread that MKE (and POF) guns are not magical HK sanctioned perfection... but they are a great "deal" for what you get, you get a warranty and you get guns that are as close to generational HK spec as you can get (no G3 rear sights on 9mm guns, no full size sling mounts on K guns, etc.). Bailey, for all the good he brought to the market brought a lot of long lasting "bad" that people are still trying to shake. We live in a wonderful time right now where the market is veritably FLOODED with the best quality clones we have ever had. IMO for the OP to buy a used Special Weapons gun, even at a ridiculous discount, that he will then spend even more money on converting to his taste is not worth it. He should just get a currently made clone and be done. I recommended Zenith because I own three and all three are sewing machines. I'm biased due to my history with Bailey guns, but I'm also biased that I like my clones to be clones in pattern as well as make and the MKEs offered me the closest in setup for the best value. My Zeniths and that of my 3 friends that own them have run perfect out of the box. They look better too. Get one on Gunbroker OP. |
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Quoted: Bullshit is a matter of perspective. I've personally owned four US made clones, three of them were non functional right out of the box brand new (a Bobcat, and two Coharies... all three "Bailey guns"). The Bobcat went back and forth two times and never ran right until I did my own part swapping. I wound up selling it at a loss. The two Cohaires I troubleshot myself and after replacing most of their guts with second gen RCM parts and HK stuff they both ran well. My fourth was a first gen Vector that ran like a sewing machine from day one (also Bailey parts). I also have friends who own other "current" US clones (a Dakota Tac, an AA gun, a Ghilliebear gun, several PTRs and an IGF gun) and they all run like tops. I think when most people today sneeringly say "US clones" they mean Bailey guns from ten years ago, and not the current Atlantic Arms or Omegas or PTRs or any of the 3K+ boutique guns. The domestic clone market has really shored itself up in the last five years or so. A big reason a lot of folks like myself like the Zenith / MKE guns are because they offer a decent quality gun with a bunch of accessories for the market price. They are built by a contractor who builds for the Turkish military on HK equipment. Does that make them perfect in every way? Nope. Anything manufactured is susceptible to defects, even glorious germanic HK guns (I've actually seen a factory defective USP). I agree with your verbose rant in the other thread that MKE (and POF) guns are not magical HK sanctioned perfection... but they are a great "deal" for what you get, you get a warranty and you get guns that are as close to generational HK spec as you can get (no G3 rear sights on 9mm guns, no full size sling mounts on K guns, etc.). Bailey, for all the good he brought to the market brought a lot of long lasting "bad" that people are still trying to shake. We live in a wonderful time right now where the market is veritably FLOODED with the best quality clones we have ever had. IMO for the OP to buy a used Special Weapons gun, even at a ridiculous discount, that he will then spend even more money on converting to his taste is not worth it. He should just get a currently made clone and be done. I recommended Zenith because I own three and all three are sewing machines. I'm biased due to my history with Bailey guns, but I'm also biased that I like my clones to be clones in pattern as well as make and the MKEs offered me the closest in setup for the best value. As you may already know, I'm very much aware of the history of MP5 clones and their successes and failures in the US marketplace. The point to be made is that, no, an MKE is not automatically "head and shoulders above" a US made clone. In fact, there have been tons of problem guns coming out of the MKE plant. Even a brief scrub of threads here as well as HKPro will turn up quite a number of problems, may of which required complete replacements. Buying an MKE is not a ticket to automatic perfection; the guns are very much still subject to the pitfalls of the specific manufacturing processes required to produce them. As I mentioned in that other thread, this is clearly occurring whether or not the machines are licensed capital equipment from H&K themselves. Am I saying that an MKE or POF is not a great deal? Nope. What I AM saying is that there is obviously a HUGE amount of misinformation (mystique?) about these guns and what makes them tick. The big difference at this stage is that companies like Atlantic Firearms are able to address the problems that arise...but I think you would agree that there have certainly been a good number of problems that have popped up. Personally, I think if you are buying a clone gun sight unseen, you need to understand what to look for before you even complete the 4473. ONe is not "free and in the clear" because they bought a gun made from a licensed (not to be confused with "contract") manufacturer. |
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Quoted: I've own both. Do you? Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Just order a Zenith online. They are head and shoulders above the US clones. Own, as in currently, or owned, as in past tense? No, I don't own an MKE, but I have had an old Bobcat for several years now that never needed a single thing other than a little bit of rear sight drift. Had a real 94 and 93 at one point too, and both went bye bye because they didn't necessarily do anything better than my BW5 and ARs, aside from retain or increase their value. The six MKEs that have crossed my path were either built with used parts kits (pre-Zenith) or had issues that rivaled that of the worst TB guns. This is prevalent by anyone willing to perform due diligence. The question is, do you really know what makes an MP5 either work or shit the bed, or is this all about dropping one-liner bombs without expounding upon your experiences? |
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Quoted: Not mad at all, but a spade is a spade. It's your cash and your decision, I was just trying to help you steer clear of the BS. Quoted: Quoted: Why so mad bro? |
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As you may already know, I'm very much aware of the history of MP5 clones and their successes and failures in the US marketplace. The point to be made is that, no, an MKE is not automatically "head and shoulders above" a US made clone. In fact, there have been tons of problem guns coming out of the MKE plant. Even a brief scrub of threads here as well as HKPro will turn up quite a number of problems, may of which required complete replacements. Buying an MKE is not a ticket to automatic perfection; the guns are very much still subject to the pitfalls of the specific manufacturing processes required to produce them. As I mentioned in that other thread, this is clearly occurring whether or not the machines are licensed capital equipment from H&K themselves. Am I saying that an MKE or POF is not a great deal? Nope. What I AM saying is that there is obviously a HUGE amount of misinformation (mystique?) about these guns and what makes them tick. The big difference at this stage is that companies like Atlantic Firearms are able to address the problems that arise...but I think you would agree that there have certainly been a good number of problems that have popped up. Personally, I think if you are buying a clone gun sight unseen, you need to understand what to look for before you even complete the 4473. ONe is not "free and in the clear" because they bought a gun made from a licensed (not to be confused with "contract") manufacturer. And how many other firearm manufactures out there have huge mystique about them due to blind fanboyism? I'd run out of fingers trying to name them all. The "free and clear" thing takes on a different perspective when you consider the warranty and that Zenith and Atlantic have been standing behind the guns. This is not like buying a used Bailey clone sight unseen and then living with the dodgy customer support and whack-a-mole parts swapping to get them to work like the olden days. If you get a bad MKE gun you contact and return it to Zenith for repair or replacement... just like any other new gun you would buy from any other manufacturer. Heck, in the last five years I've had to return a Walther and a Ruger to their respective companies for warranty repair work and both companies sent me brand new guns back. I'm a realist and I know that manufactured machines have defects, nothing is ever truly "perfect" and I've owned enough defective guns to know that a warranty is only as good as the company that issued it. And from my vantage point Zenith and Atlantic have both been exemplary. I own three of them and they have all been perfect. I know several friends both here and on other sites who claim the same. I can only assume that Atlantic and Zenith have sold hundreds of guns in the country by this point, and the more they sell the more defective units are going to crop up and be dealt with. That's just life. But I'll personally continue to recommend Zenith guns to people looking to get roller lock clones due entirely to my own personal experience with them, which has been stellar. I also don't feel the need to caveat that recommendation with any sort of asterisk mentioning that there are some occasional defective models. I also drive a Mazda car and recommend them to people, and I also recommend Apple products and blue buffalo pet foods. And I guarantee you behind me will be a person who will shit talk all of that stuff up and down the wall. Folks make their own decisions based on the data they have, and anyone who does enough research will encounter the threads people with issues started... and they will see that in most of those cases the issues were resolved. |
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How hard is it to add a 3 lug to that model? The 3 lug version is sold out and I would want that for my can Quoted:
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I ordered a Zenith Z5k from grabagun yesterday. Price is even better than Atlantic. They said I was the first person to ever buy one from them.  How hard is it to add a 3 lug to that model? The 3 lug version is sold out and I would want that for my can It would mean replacing the barrel, which is not an easy or cheap thing to do. |
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How hard is it to add a 3 lug to that model? The 3 lug version is sold out and I would want that for my can Quoted:
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I ordered a Zenith Z5k from grabagun yesterday. Price is even better than Atlantic. They said I was the first person to ever buy one from them. How hard is it to add a 3 lug to that model? The 3 lug version is sold out and I would want that for my can 3 lug is back in stock, just got the alert. |
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I ordered a Zenith Z5k from grabagun yesterday. Price is even better than Atlantic. They said I was the first person to ever buy one from them. How hard is it to add a 3 lug to that model? The 3 lug version is sold out and I would want that for my can 3 lug is back in stock, just got the alert. 
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I took a few pics to show some of the differences in the guns in case you were not sure. There is more to a K gun then just the barrel length.
Grip Housing - the grip on the full size(bottom) has a single pin location and it is cut to produce a tang at the bottom. The K grip(top) has1 pin as well but, it is a traditional hole. Both pin locations are circled in red. 
BCG - the bcg for the full size(bottom) has a longer carrier and longer recoil rod then its K size brother(top). A red line has been drawn to emphasize the difference. 
Receiver - The full size receiver(bottom) is longer and has a single pin location to attach the stock. The stock on the full size slides over the receiver to attach. The K receiver(top) is shorter and has 2 pins to attach the stock. The stock on the K slides inside the receiver to attach. The pin holes have been circled in red and the end of the receiver and end of the triple tree have been shown with a red line for emphasis. Due to the shorter distance between the receiver and triple tree, the K gun hand guard is a lot shorter then the full size. You can not put a full size hand guard on a K but, with the proper spacer you can put a K hand guard on a full size. I use a K vertical grip hang guard on my full size with the spacer, i find it more comfortable to hold. 
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I took a few pics to show some of the differences in the guns in case you were not sure. There is more to a K gun then just the barrel length. Grip Housing - the grip on the full size(bottom) has a single pin location and it is cut to produce a tang at the bottom. The K grip(top) has1 pin as well but, it is a traditional hole. Both pin locations are circled in red. <a href="http://s611.photobucket.com/user/dave421fpd/media/housing.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i611.photobucket.com/albums/tt192/dave421fpd/housing.jpg</a> BCG - the bcg for the full size(bottom) has a longer carrier and longer recoil rod then its K size brother(top). A red line has been drawn to emphasize the difference. <a href="http://s611.photobucket.com/user/dave421fpd/media/bcg.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i611.photobucket.com/albums/tt192/dave421fpd/bcg.jpg</a> Receiver - The full size receiver(bottom) is longer and has a single pin location to attach the stock. The stock on the full size slides over the receiver to attach. The K receiver(top) is shorter and has 2 pins to attach the stock. The stock on the K slides inside the receiver to attach. The pin holes have been circled in red and the end of the receiver and end of the triple tree have been shown with a red line for emphasis. Due to the shorter distance between the receiver and triple tree, the K gun hand guard is a lot shorter then the full size. You can not put a full size hand guard on a K but, with the proper spacer you can put a K hand guard on a full size. I use a K vertical grip hang guard on my full size with the spacer, i find it more comfortable to hold. <a href="http://s611.photobucket.com/user/dave421fpd/media/reciever.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i611.photobucket.com/albums/tt192/dave421fpd/reciever.jpg</a> Hopefully this helps show some of the major differences in the 2 guns. Thank You, That did help. I appreciate you taking the time. |
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Thank You, That did help. I appreciate you taking the time. Quoted:
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I took a few pics to show some of the differences in the guns in case you were not sure. There is more to a K gun then just the barrel length. Grip Housing - the grip on the full size(bottom) has a single pin location and it is cut to produce a tang at the bottom. The K grip(top) has1 pin as well but, it is a traditional hole. Both pin locations are circled in red. <a href="http://s611.photobucket.com/user/dave421fpd/media/housing.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i611.photobucket.com/albums/tt192/dave421fpd/housing.jpg</a> BCG - the bcg for the full size(bottom) has a longer carrier and longer recoil rod then its K size brother(top). A red line has been drawn to emphasize the difference. <a href="http://s611.photobucket.com/user/dave421fpd/media/bcg.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i611.photobucket.com/albums/tt192/dave421fpd/bcg.jpg</a> Receiver - The full size receiver(bottom) is longer and has a single pin location to attach the stock. The stock on the full size slides over the receiver to attach. The K receiver(top) is shorter and has 2 pins to attach the stock. The stock on the K slides inside the receiver to attach. The pin holes have been circled in red and the end of the receiver and end of the triple tree have been shown with a red line for emphasis. Due to the shorter distance between the receiver and triple tree, the K gun hand guard is a lot shorter then the full size. You can not put a full size hand guard on a K but, with the proper spacer you can put a K hand guard on a full size. I use a K vertical grip hang guard on my full size with the spacer, i find it more comfortable to hold. <a href="http://s611.photobucket.com/user/dave421fpd/media/reciever.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i611.photobucket.com/albums/tt192/dave421fpd/reciever.jpg</a> Hopefully this helps show some of the major differences in the 2 guns. Thank You, That did help. I appreciate you taking the time. Anytime. We all started out at the bottom on understanding various platforms and it always helped me understand it better when i could see it. |
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