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Posted: 2/27/2003 10:12:25 AM EDT
| If you had the choice to have the MP5 or MP5K, which one would you take in full auto? I can only afford one and don't know which one I want to get. It would be used as an investement and primarily for short distances, i.e. less tha 200 feet. Thanks for your opinions. |
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GET THE SEAR FIRST!!! Seriously. Prebans are expensive, but the prices have been pretty stable in the last 5 or so years. Hell, the selling prices even dropped a little bit with the introduction of the new clones. Registered sears on the other hand, have never gone down in price. Take me for example. 3 years ago, I sent away my HK94 to get it SBR'd. I figured I get the sear when the gun got back, hell they were $3500 back then (for the sear), so who the hell would pay more than $3500 for a piece of sheetmetal that carried a BATF registration number??? Well, long story short, the 'smith was a jerk off, and a 3 month job turned into almost 3 years before the gun got to my local C3/SOT. So now the SBR is waiting on a Form 4 to return back to me, and I'm out shopping to find a registered sear for under $5000. So no matter which you get, find the sear RIGHT NOW!!! Even if you have to put it on plastic, the interest rate would be lower than the increase in the value of the sear. |
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That's no joke.... Before getting into class III, I had a chance to buy sear for $2500 in 97. In 98 I bought one for $3500, for which I built a K. I also bought a S&H MP5 sear gun for $6500. Now you can't find a sear for under $5000. And the whole gun, last deal I saw was $8000. I really regret selling the S&H gun. Buy the sear and go from there... If I had to pic between a standard or a K. I pick the the K. The smallest "quality" burp gun you can buy. Super Concealable. The reason I sold the full-size was to finance the purchase of an M16, larger caliber similar size.... http://www.rapidfire.cc/images/mytriad.jpg |
| Thanks for the input. I already have a deposit on a sear pack. FYI, I only paid $4800 and includes either the 94 or 89 auto bolt. It's my choice at this point on which bolt I get. Hence this thread. I was leaning towards the auto SP89 in the beginning, but was thinking the 94 might be better. Help me decide! |
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I personally prefer the MP5, but that is the more expensive way to go out of the two, unless you plan to keep the HK94s 16" bbl, which would be a bit silly. At the very least, you would have to have the bbl cut down (I don't recommend that route). But if you are a perfectionist like myself, you should at least have the gun rebarreled with an 3-lug MP5 bbl, in case you ever plan to add a can or other muzzle device. You could also get the bbl threaded for the 'Navy' model look. A perfectionist would also want the paddle mag install and the restamping to mark the gun 'MP5'. Of course this is all optional, and you are talking about at least $600 in 'smith costs, and a potentially long wait. So your best bet is to get a gun that is already in this configuration. Price $3-4K depending on the work done to it. With a $3000 SP89 (average price) you could just pop in the sear pack and FA bolt, put on the K-grip and if you like, put on a PDW stock and you are ready to rock and roll. The K gun does have some appeal to it with the small size, and if done right, you can have a nice MP5K-N PDW, but of course that will cost more money and time at the gunsmith for the rebarrel and the paddle mag install, etc. Anyway, just so you know, there are many options out there. I personally like the MP5 for the versatilty and the parts available, but the K gun is a sexy little beast. In the end, decide what you think you will enjoy the most, you can always trade off in the future. BTW, good score on the sear pack, that's not a bad deal you got. |
I recently bought a SP-89 after considering this same dilemma for over a year. I plan on eventually having the MP5K-N PDW configuration and am in the process of locating some of the parts for the conversion. I will have to register the gun as a SBR so I can leave the folding stock on it and move my sear pack around my HK collection. I went with the SP-89 because of its smaller size, cool looks and because I already have a Colt 9mm and wanted something smaller. Questions for HKocher - Who would you recommend for the paddle mag, trigger pack and re-barrel work? Which folding stock? |
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Big_B, from personal experience, I would use Murray Urbach (972) 864-0848 in TX. He's one of the best and is a great guy, but be warned, he isn't cheap, and he takes awhile, but all good HK 'smiths take time. I haven't spoken with Murray in over a year, but I heard a rumor that he is no longer taking any more jobs, however I also heard that one about Terry Dyer many years ago, but he still does HKs, so the rumor could be false. The legendary T. Dyer would also be someone to go to. (309) 473-3377 in IL. But again, he isn't cheap or fast, and he's tough to get a hold of. Now other guys I have heard good things about, but have not used their guns so can't comment on personally. Ralph Smith of www.rdts.com/ in AZ. Supposedly pretty fast, seen some of his guns and they do look good, but I can't comment further since I haven't gotten to 'run' one of his guns. Arizona Response Systems (owner goes by the handle of Gunplumber) www.arizonaresponsesystems.com/ (623) 873-1410 There are other guys that I am forgetting, but that should be enough for now. Only guy I will say to avoid is Jim Gravitt of Protech Engineering. He did my MP5 and took over 2.5 years. The gun did look good though, but not worth the run-around he gave me over my gun. |
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Big_B Some further thoughts. A true HK German PDW bbl will cost a lot of dough. Don't be afraid to Get an Urbach bbl. I don't know how much his PDW bbls are, but my MP5N bbl cost $225. I honestly think they are just about as good as the original. As far as stocks, you have about 3 choices (I think there is also an ACE LTD stock and maybe a couple others I have never see or handled, so I won't comment on those). Choate PDW side folder. The best choice IMHO and is the authentic piece on the real PDW. I used to use one on my HK93, and it's not bad for a folding stock. Stable reasonably comfortable and the cheek weld is about the same as on an A3 stock. Unless you are a really picky person, just get a Choate stamped stock (about $150). The ones stamped 'HK' are made by Choate and are identical in every way, except they are stamped 'HK' and cost about double. Flemming (I think) made a folding stock very similar to the stock on the mini UZI. Never used one, but did handle one. Looks flimsy, but surprisingly it isn't. A bit less comfortable than the PDW stock. Some people really like them. Downfall, hard to find, and I have no idea what they cost. 3rd option is the most expensive and most unique. Some folks have removed the reinforcemnt tabs on the rear of the SP89 receiver and added an adaptor to allow the use of standard A2 and A3 stocks from the MP5. I suppose if you really like the A3 stock, this is an option, but really, this would cost quite a bit in the end. And I for one, would be a bit weary of removing the reinforcement tabs from the receiver. Afterall, they had to put them there for some reason, right? |
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