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Posted: 1/12/2011 11:43:08 AM EDT
| I have a DSA SA58 papra elite compact rifle and it shoots for shit! It cost me 3 grand and i figured it would at least shoot 2in @ 100yards. It will shoot 2 1/2 in @ 50 but with only hornady 168. Cheap stuff,forget about it. 8 in group and thats with a 1-4 leo on top. Anyone have same rifle with similar problem? I've tried a bunch of different namebrand and weight bullets. |
The FAL is generally not known for its accuracy - the tipping bolt design means it will never offer the accuracy potential of the AR-platform. Try shooting a group with the magazine removed and each round fed by hand (eliminates the upward pressure of the magazine on the bolt), and see if things tighten up. If not, check your optic mount to make sure it is solid (a loose top cover or ring could be making matters even worse). The trigger doesn't help either. If it still shoots crap groups, call DSA and see what they can do for you. Sorry to say, 5" at 100 yards is not that unusual for a FAL  .
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| i dont know how to check head space(i'll have to call DSA) I will try shooting 1 round at a time without mag and see what that does. When I first got the rifle and was breaking in the barrel (as per their instructions) I was shooting rem 150gr corelokt. It was shooting about 3/4 in group. Took the thing home to clean and when I was slideing the bolt out,it got wedged at the end of the reciever. Couldnt get the sob loose,so I unscrewed the top piece of the reciever. If i didnt get those little clips that align the top and bottom together perfect could that be throwing my groups off? Would that change head space? Thanks for the help...as you can tell, this is my frst fal |
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Took the thing home to clean and when I was slideing the bolt out,it got wedged at the end of the reciever. Couldnt get the sob loose,so I unscrewed the top piece of the reciever. If i didnt get those little clips that align the top and bottom together perfect could that be throwing my groups off? Would that change head space? Thanks for the help...as you can tell, this is my frst fal I assume you're talking about taking the scope mount off to get the bolt carrier out. I don't think that would have any effect on the headspace but if it was not reassembled correctly or loosely it could have a very dramatic effect on accuracy. |
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I have a 13" barreled FAL that I built using DSA parts. It has no problem throwing 2 inch groups at 100 (irons). My first FAL was a build on a Coonan rec, surplus barrel and I shot a 2 inch group at 200 with irons. 5 shot group using factory ammo. Surplus ammo doubled the group size.
I would zero with irons at 50. If you can't hit 1 inch or less, let someone else try. If that fails I would consider having DSA look at it. |
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Quoted: That is 6 MOA. Respectfully, that isn't very impressive performance.I finally decided on my para that alot of the problem was that my head position varied a great deal due to the folding stock. Took the scope off and replaced it with an aimpoint ml3 - I can shoot all day now in 3" radius circle at 100 yds. |
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My FAL is capable of 3" with ball ammo EASILY.....usually into 2.5" or a bit less. Quality ammo would probably be better.
Check your mount, and rings. One FAL I know of (online) had the mount loose a teeny bit. Don't work, try a group with iron sights, see what it does. If it still shoots bad, call DSA. |
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That is 6 MOA. Respectfully, that isn't very impressive performance.
I finally decided on my para that alot of the problem was that my head position varied a great deal due to the folding stock. Took the scope off and replaced it with an aimpoint ml3 - I can shoot all day now in 3" radius circle at 100 yds. It was much worse before. Know I need to work on me next but generally if I can, in a standing postition, put 60 to 80 rds in a 3" radius circle at a 100 yds, I am pretty happy. Disclosure: I have crappy eyesight and in general am a poor marksman. |
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That is 6 MOA. Respectfully, that isn't very impressive performance.
I finally decided on my para that alot of the problem was that my head position varied a great deal due to the folding stock. Took the scope off and replaced it with an aimpoint ml3 - I can shoot all day now in 3" radius circle at 100 yds. It was much worse before. Know I need to work on me next but generally if I can, in a standing postition, put 60 to 80 rds in a 3" radius circle at a 100 yds, I am pretty happy. Disclosure: I have crappy eyesight and in general am a poor marksman. Very true we often forget to check the nut behind the butt 
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| The scope is in a larue quick detach mount. I took it off and put on my ar and 10 shot group averaged 3/4 in @ 100yrds. poi was off ofcourse but dont think its my scope. I only put scope on to see what it could do. Havent had a chance to play with FAL in 2 weeks but will try all suggestions. 1 other stupid newb question.....how do you adjust front sight? I got tritnium front and dont want to screw it up..... do you push down and turn or do you need a special tool? I cant get mine to move...its nothing like a AR front sight post. |
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Most FAL's below 18" cause trouble. My 3 are all military and will give about 2-3 MOA. That is about all that is expected from a FAL. They were made as a battle rifle, they were tested to 3 MOA when designed and built. That is about all to expect. They were not sniper rifles. On FALfiles, some guys have spent years, and tons on money trying to get MOA and have not made it.
One guy there has found a company sleeving the barrel and getting better accuracy. |
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