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1/20/2005 4:41:44 PM EDT
FAC and Gunthings has them in stock.  I just got e-mailed a special from FAC, their up for grabs before they're listed on the website for $295.  You just have to call and place the order.  Gunthings has them for $319.  
1/20/2005 4:46:55 PM EDT
[#1]
just got mine from gunthings. pretty dang nice!


1/20/2005 6:54:17 PM EDT
[#2]
That looks nice, I can't wait to get mine.
1/20/2005 8:31:48 PM EDT
[#3]
Sweet kit!  I bought one from FAC a couple of years ago that was just as special.  It did not need a refinishing and matched up very nicely with a DCI receiver.
1/20/2005 9:16:05 PM EDT
[#4]
I also just received one from gunthings.com.

It was obviously a new rifle before they took the bandsaw to it (I cry just thinking about them cutting up all those beautiful rifles).

The kit is beautiful, and will build up into a new condition rifle.

Thanks, gunthings.com...

1/20/2005 9:32:09 PM EDT
[#5]
Are the STG's full auto trigger packed?  If so, would I be better off getting repl.  parts from Tapco, or FSE?  Also, where can I find stuff from FSE, I haven't had any luck.
1/21/2005 8:40:02 AM EDT
[#6]
I ordered one from Gunthings yesterday.  That makes four kits I have waiting to be built.  My problem is to stop buying kits and start buying receivers.  Just can't resist a nice kit.
1/21/2005 10:04:05 AM EDT
[#7]
nice rig
1/21/2005 1:24:14 PM EDT
[#8]
'MisterPX':

The StG58 parts kits are shipped with the original fire control set (hammer, trigger, sear), but no safety auto sear is included. The selector is the select fire type.
Remember that an FAL must have the safety auto sear installed (on the cross bolt) and the receiver have the 'sear cut', for the rifle to be capable of select fire (full auto or semiauto). Receivers available now in the market are semiauto only, in that there is no cut for the safety auto sear, and the installed ejector block has no cut for the safety auto sear.

Try DSA for U.S. fire control sets. FSE still offers various U.S. made muzzle attachments, pistol grips, and folding charging handles. FSE no longer offers U.S. made fire control sets.

Harlan
FAC
1/21/2005 1:26:37 PM EDT
[#9]
What about those kits from DSA for $295?  Damn you guys, now I got to get a kit.  Sportmans Guide shooting catalog also has a lower for cheap too.
1/21/2005 1:40:57 PM EDT
[#10]

Quoted:
'MisterPX':

The StG58 parts kits are shipped with the original fire control set (hammer, trigger, sear), but no safety auto sear is included. The selector is the select fire type.
Remember that an FAL must have the safety auto sear installed (on the cross bolt) and the receiver have the 'sear cut', for the rifle to be capable of select fire (full auto or semiauto). Receivers available now in the market are semiauto only, in that there is no cut for the safety auto sear, and the installed ejector block has no cut for the safety auto sear.

Try DSA for U.S. fire control sets. FSE still offers various U.S. made muzzle attachments, pistol grips, and folding charging handles. FSE no longer offers U.S. made fire control sets.

Harlan
FAC



What Harlan doesn't say here is that FAC has nice condition kits for sale too.  $295 will get you one.

Forrest

1/21/2005 10:02:56 PM EDT
[#11]
Actually, I tried to order an Imbel kit from FAC, but they called me and said that they were out of them.  I'm going to see if my brother can pick up an Imbel rec. for me from FAC though, he lives in Fridley.
1/21/2005 10:41:24 PM EDT
[#12]

Quoted:
Actually, I tried to order an Imbel kit from FAC, but they called me and said that they were out of them.  I'm going to see if my brother can pick up an Imbel rec. for me from FAC though, he lives in Fridley.




That would constitute a straw man purchase and therefore illegal. JFYI
1/22/2005 12:25:54 AM EDT
[#13]
If he gives it as a gift, it's perfectly legal.  Just like buying a pistol for your mom's birthday, you have bought a pistol for your mom, haven't you?  
1/22/2005 1:05:32 AM EDT
[#14]

Quoted:
If he gives it as a gift, it's perfectly legal.  Just like buying a pistol for your mom's birthday, you have bought a pistol for your mom, haven't you?  



I bought her a revolver. I did not expect nor except payment for it. Is your brother going to give it to you, or will he expect to be reimbursed?


I personally don't care one way or the other. I brought it to your attention so that you would not find yourself in violation of the board CoC.
1/22/2005 1:19:13 AM EDT
[#15]
Thanks for your concern.  You shoulda heard the ATF lady hecklin' me when I bought Savage 22's for my immediate family.  Boy, if there was ever a time I could get adopted...
1/22/2005 9:33:58 AM EDT
[#16]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Actually, I tried to order an Imbel kit from FAC, but they called me and said that they were out of them.  I'm going to see if my brother can pick up an Imbel rec. for me from FAC though, he lives in Fridley.




That would constitute a straw man purchase and therefore illegal. JFYI



Yeah, not legal.
1/22/2005 11:06:30 AM EDT
[#17]
Besides one of these kits and a Imbel receiver?  What other parts are required?  Do you need to get a FC parts from DSA?
1/22/2005 1:19:12 PM EDT
[#18]
An FAL type rifle has these countable parts, according to BATF&E:
1. receiver
2. barrel
3. muzzle attachment
4. gas piston
5. bolt
6. bolt carrier
7. hammer
8. sear
9. trigger
10. charging handle
11. lower or trigger housing
12. buttstock
13. pistol grip
14. handguard
15. magazine body
16. magazine floorplate
17. magazine follower.

An assembled rifle from a kit can have no more than ten of the above parts to be imported parts.
1/25/2005 5:57:31 PM EDT
[#19]
also note FAC is out of the "Inch" FSE hammer,trigger,sear stuff along with the 'Inch" folding charge handle and the advertised new L1A1 gas tube gone as well as of 01/25/2005 RATS,Frick!and I did say Inch bought my Metric goodies long ago
1/25/2005 6:41:25 PM EDT
[#20]
Makes you want to cry that those things were cut up, doesn't it?

These kits are the nicest on the market.
1/27/2005 7:48:38 PM EDT
[#21]
I remember the good old days (1999) when FAC was selling the STG kits with the freebored barrels for $99.00.

I should have bought every one.

Court.223
1/27/2005 8:18:03 PM EDT
[#22]

Quoted:
I remember the good old days (1999) when FAC was selling the STG kits with the freebored barrels for $99.00.

I should have bought every one.

Court.223



I remember to good old days when $150.00 bought a very nice STG-58
1/28/2005 6:36:26 PM EDT
[#23]
I got my kit from the man in brown today.  Looks brand new, with the exception of a few spots of finish wear.  If anyone is looking for an FAL kit, these are the way to go.
1/30/2005 8:39:41 PM EDT
[#24]
Ok, I am new to FAL type rifles.  If I buy the kit, what do I need after that to build the complete rifle?  Just the reciever?  And what is the cost of the reciever?

Thanks.  I am very interested in getting one, but I am clueless to how this works.  I shot a friends FAL once, and I was in love from the first squeeze of the trigger.

Thanks.
1/30/2005 9:49:40 PM EDT
[#25]
You'll need a receiver and enough parts to be 922r compliant.  Typically this is the receiver, hammer, trigger, sear, gas piston, and muzzle device.  You could also change out the furniture, the magazine floorplates and the pistol grip (I think).  

Receivers run anywhere from $100 to $200 at FAC.  I've read that the lower cost receivers will require some modifications to make them useable.  DSA also sells receivers, but their website doesn't list prices.  

There are some special tools needed to put these together.  I barrel wrench, gauge pins, go & no-go gauges and some calipers are probably the minimum.

I haven't tried the build yet, so I don't know for sure how difficult it actually will be.

Here's some good reference material for building though:

Cruffler FAL Build

www.wecsog.org/fal/
1/31/2005 1:52:26 PM EDT
[#26]
DSA's are runnin in the mid $300's.  I did get my STG kit from Gunthings, and she is beautiful, Looks damn near new.
1/31/2005 4:32:19 PM EDT
[#27]

Quoted:
Ok, I am new to FAL type rifles.  If I buy the kit, what do I need after that to build the complete rifle?  Just the reciever?  And what is the cost of the reciever?

Thanks.  I am very interested in getting one, but I am clueless to how this works.  I shot a friends FAL once, and I was in love from the first squeeze of the trigger.

Thanks.


 You will need at least 7 U.S made parts to complete the rifle and still legally for the 922r complaint. Please see above list that HarlanFAC posted for those 17 parts.
 FAC sell six U.S parts as a combo for $108.00. Then you need a receiver which is required FFL dealer to do the transfer( like when you buy a gun). FAC got Dan Coonan receiver( U.S made) for $199.00, but they are out of stock( check with them in 5 weeks).
  With the STG58 kit for $295.00
                 Six combo kit U.S made for $108.00
                 Coonan receiver for S199.0
                 You will be a little bit over $600.00.
                 A good gunsmith to put them together will cost you around $175.00. So, you're looking at a little under $800.00 +/-.
   The DSA receiver is one of the best, but it will cost you $449.00 at www.impactguns.com. The list from DSA is $499.00. But I think Coonan receiver is the best for the price plus Made in U.S.A. too.
    I just ordered the STG58 kit from FAC and I should receive it by Feb 1st. Now, I have to decide between which one of those 7 U.S parts I need to put them to complete the rifle and still legal. All of the reputable gunsmiths will not bluid the rifle for you if you don't supplied them with at least 7 U.S made part.
1/31/2005 6:13:27 PM EDT
[#28]
How are the Imbel receivers?
1/31/2005 6:44:57 PM EDT
[#29]

Quoted:
How are the Imbel receivers?



Imbels are great and inspec. DSA is also in spec but easier to build on.
1/31/2005 6:46:46 PM EDT
[#30]
I will never understand why anyone would use a cast coonan receiver over a forged FN licsensed Imbel when both are the same price. There are no lack of compliance parts out there, you don't need a US made receiver. Go Imbel or DSA or forget it.
1/31/2005 7:37:46 PM EDT
[#31]
Some people like to buy AMERICAN.  Besides, I have never heard of a cast receiver "wearing out".
1/31/2005 8:53:21 PM EDT
[#32]
How do I get the locking shoulder out of the old receiver?  I've tried a punch in the little hole and a bigger one on the entire piece.  Any suggestions?
1/31/2005 9:34:23 PM EDT
[#33]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:
Actually, I tried to order an Imbel kit from FAC, but they called me and said that they were out of them.  I'm going to see if my brother can pick up an Imbel rec. for me from FAC though, he lives in Fridley.




That would constitute a straw man purchase and therefore illegal. JFYI



Yeah, not legal.







Not true. A kit is not a firearm. There is NO RECIEVER with it. The reciever is the firearm. NOT the kit. You can purchase kits all day long, but you buy one UPPER RECIEVER for someone else and THAT'S the straw purchase.
1/31/2005 9:38:00 PM EDT
[#34]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:
Actually, I tried to order an Imbel kit from FAC, but they called me and said that they were out of them.  I'm going to see if my brother can pick up an Imbel rec. for me from FAC though, he lives in Fridley.




That would constitute a straw man purchase and therefore illegal. JFYI



Yeah, not legal.







Not true. A kit is not a firearm. There is NO RECIEVER with it. The reciever is the firearm. NOT the kit. You can purchase kits all day long, but you buy one UPPER RECIEVER for someone else and THAT'S the straw purchase.



He tried to get his brother to pick him up an Imbel receiver from FAC.
1/31/2005 9:56:44 PM EDT
[#35]
Yep, but if no money exchanges hands, it's perfectly LEGAL, just read a 4473.  As to the locking shoulder, you'll have to press it out, or beat it out.
2/1/2005 6:09:39 AM EDT
[#36]

Quoted:
Yep, but if no money exchanges hands, it's perfectly LEGAL, just read a 4473.  As to the locking shoulder, you'll have to press it out, or beat it out.



I think I've only filled out one in my life, because I only have one gun, a .22.
2/1/2005 10:34:34 AM EDT
[#37]
What are you waiting for, build a FAL!  

Since you have your kit, grab a rec.  I went with an Imbel from TDW (179 + 8 s/h)  since my bro's work schedule won't allow him to get to FAC (175 + 9.50 s/h).
2/1/2005 11:09:24 AM EDT
[#38]
I'm in the process of tooling up and getting my US parts.  Then I hope it's just a Saturday project to assemble, assuming I can use the same locking shoulder.  Now I just need to lineup someone to urban camo it for me.
2/1/2005 11:57:23 AM EDT
[#39]
Urban camo-  Mister right hand with help from mister home depot can do that for ya

Don't forget pin gauges ( for locking shoulder)  if your headspacing yourself.
2/1/2005 11:58:34 AM EDT
[#40]
i've never had work done by him, but some of the most  nicely finished FALs i've seen were done by Rich @CGW in NV.
if you're looking for a pro
2/1/2005 4:05:05 PM EDT
[#41]
Gauge pins are one of the things I'm waiting on.

On of the UT arfcommers is getting into refinishing and such.  I'll let him have a go at it, save me on some shipping at least.
2/1/2005 4:37:16 PM EDT
[#42]
Take a look around the rest of the site as well. Mark can be a bit of a pill sometimes, but he knows his shit, and he builds an excellent FAL...as do several others out there. His site, however, has more info than most others.

www.arizonaresponsesystems.com/
2/1/2005 10:03:19 PM EDT
[#43]
Mark (Gunplumber) also makes and sells a "How to build a FAL" video tape.
For the first time builder it's money well spent.

Court .223
2/2/2005 6:14:02 PM EDT
[#44]
Yes, the video is really good.  However, for me, it's more cost effective to farm it out for $75 than to buy rec. clamps, and pin gauges, and the correct L shoulder.  Plus, I don't trust myself cutting (I got the crooked eye ), crowning, and threading a barrel.
2/5/2005 7:59:14 PM EDT
[#45]

Quoted:
 You will need at least 7 U.S made parts to complete the rifle and still legally for the 922r complaint. Please see above list that HarlanFAC posted for those 17 parts.
 FAC sell six U.S parts as a combo for $108.00. Then you need a receiver which is required FFL dealer to do the transfer( like when you buy a gun). FAC got Dan Coonan receiver( U.S made) for $199.00, but they are out of stock( check with them in 5 weeks).
  With the STG58 kit for $295.00
                 Six combo kit U.S made for $108.00
                 Coonan receiver for S199.0
                 You will be a little bit over $600.00.
                 A good gunsmith to put them together will cost you around $175.00. So, you're looking at a little under $800.00 +/-.
   The DSA receiver is one of the best, but it will cost you $449.00 at www.impactguns.com. The list from DSA is $499.00. But I think Coonan receiver is the best for the price plus Made in U.S.A. too.
    I just ordered the STG58 kit from FAC and I should receive it by Feb 1st. Now, I have to decide between which one of those 7 U.S parts I need to put them to complete the rifle and still legal. All of the reputable gunsmiths will not bluid the rifle for you if you don't supplied them with at least 7 U.S made part.



So if your total cost will be close to $800.  Wouldn't it be better to just buy a complete DSA FAL STG58A for $800?  

2/5/2005 8:46:51 PM EDT
[#46]
I should be able to pull it off for less than $800.  $295 for the kit, $185 for the receiver and about $100 for the US parts.  I can tool up for about $75.  That gets me in around $650.  Plus I get the experience of knowing the functions of the rifle inside and out.  And the satisfaction of hitting the target at 100 yds with something I assembled.  I like to build things, especially firearms.
2/6/2005 10:40:59 AM EDT
[#47]
Under that theory, why would anyone build an AR when they can get a premade one for $550?  It's all about knowing your rifle, if you build it, you can fix it.
2/6/2005 1:28:59 PM EDT
[#48]

Quoted:
Under that theory, why would anyone build an AR when they can get a premade one for $550?  It's all about knowing your rifle, if you build it, you can fix it.



Exactly.
2/20/2005 7:14:21 PM EDT
[#49]
medicmandan


just so you know,

            You will never stop at one FAL, and there aint a better feeling in the world than building something from nothing




GL

Gary
2/26/2005 5:54:17 PM EDT
[#50]
So it would actually be cheaper to buy a DSA STG58 FAL from FAC w/DSA receiver than to build your own?

Is the DSA receiver worth the money?
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