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Posted: 12/25/2014 9:30:25 PM EDT
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Wanting to upgrade my M1a trigger group with a Match type - what options exist?
Last time I checked, there was one available from Midway ... now that I have the cash saved up, it's discontinued. 
Help is appreciated. I am hoping for a drop in solution. Thanks in advance. Edited because my fat fingers jacked spelling up in the title... |
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There is no drop in match grade trigger for the M14 Rifle. Only a quality work by a talented gunsmith who will measure hammer/trigger pins, and polish/stone engagement faces of the trigger and hammer.
I would be curious what Midway might be/were selling as a "drop in". |
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There is no drop in match grade trigger for the M14 Rifle. Only a quality work by a talented gunsmith who will measure hammer/trigger pins, and polish/stone engagement faces of the trigger and hammer. I would be curious what Midway might be/were selling as a "drop in". Entire trigger group. Remove old, replace with new. It was 308 bucks. I saved the money up from my birthday and Christmas and... yeah, discontinued. |
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Don't over think this............... Fulton Armory (and others I'm sure will do it for you).......... Send 65.00$ along with your trigger group and they send it back............................... http://www.fulton-armory.com/M14-M1A-Services.aspx Know what? Sounds like a plan. 
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Entire trigger group. Remove old, replace with new. It was 308 bucks. I saved the money up from my birthday and Christmas and... yeah, discontinued. Quoted:
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There is no drop in match grade trigger for the M14 Rifle. Only a quality work by a talented gunsmith who will measure hammer/trigger pins, and polish/stone engagement faces of the trigger and hammer. I would be curious what Midway might be/were selling as a "drop in". Entire trigger group. Remove old, replace with new. It was 308 bucks. I saved the money up from my birthday and Christmas and... yeah, discontinued. Rader trigger group maybe? It is quite crisp. Mine is adjusted to 2 3/4 #. You will likely be able to call Springfield Customer Service to order one. Mine came from Midway a few years ago. I really like it on my scoped rifle. |
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Shop for a GI or Poly Tech trigger group that has SEI's full MAX-PAK upgrade. These are much nicer that a TG with a quality NM tune. http://www.athenswater.com/images/V2-EBR-SHOE.JPG Won't SEI do this to your exsisting trigger group? |
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Shop for a GI or Poly Tech trigger group that has SEI's full MAX-PAK upgrade. These are much nicer that a TG with a quality NM tune. http://www.athenswater.com/images/V2-EBR-SHOE.JPG Won't SEI do this to your exsisting trigger group? Yes they will! |
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There is a reason it's called a National Match trigger. It's intended for use in Matches. As such, the sanctioning body can, and sometimes will use a trigger pull gauge on the rifles entered in a Match. M1s/M1As with a trigger pull weight of less then 4-1/2# will be disqualified because it has been determined that the M1/M1a trigger, as originally constructed, can be unsafe at a pull weight of less than 4- 1/2#.
As mentioned above, a good, experienced gunsmith can do a NM trigger job on your trigger group without great expense. |
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Shop for a GI or Poly Tech trigger group that has SEI's full MAX-PAK upgrade. These are much nicer that a TG with a quality NM tune. http://www.athenswater.com/images/V2-EBR-SHOE.JPG See that white lettering on the side of the trigger? Even if not whitened, an extremely strict reading of the rules used by many Match sanctioning bodies would disqualify that. Not saying anything about the quality of the unit, or the lack thereof, but be aware of possible pitfalls. |
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There is a reason it's called a National Match trigger. It's intended for use in Matches. As such, the sanctioning body can, and sometimes will use a trigger pull gauge on the rifles entered in a Match. M1s/M1As with a trigger pull weight of less then 4-1/2# will be disqualified because it has been determined that the M1/M1a trigger, as originally constructed, can be unsafe at a pull weight of less than 4- 1/2#. As mentioned above, a good, experienced gunsmith can do a NM trigger job on your trigger group without great expense. You raise a good point. Part of why I was interested in getting a complete Match trigger unit is because I wanted to be able to swap it in and out with the original for when I want to shoot accurately vs. a regular range trip. It's such an easy swap I figured it made sense to just look for a Match trigger group. |
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You raise a good point. Part of why I was interested in getting a complete Match trigger unit is because I wanted to be able to swap it in and out with the original for when I want to shoot accurately vs. a regular range trip. It's such an easy swap I figured it made sense to just look for a Match trigger group. Quoted:
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There is a reason it's called a National Match trigger. It's intended for use in Matches. As such, the sanctioning body can, and sometimes will use a trigger pull gauge on the rifles entered in a Match. M1s/M1As with a trigger pull weight of less then 4-1/2# will be disqualified because it has been determined that the M1/M1a trigger, as originally constructed, can be unsafe at a pull weight of less than 4- 1/2#. As mentioned above, a good, experienced gunsmith can do a NM trigger job on your trigger group without great expense. You raise a good point. Part of why I was interested in getting a complete Match trigger unit is because I wanted to be able to swap it in and out with the original for when I want to shoot accurately vs. a regular range trip. It's such an easy swap I figured it made sense to just look for a Match trigger group. I'm sure you can find NM trigger groups, but they won't be $65, nor need they be $300, either. If your trigger group is all-correct for your rifle, thus adding to its collectability/value, then buy anther trigger group from a trusted vendor which has been set up to NM standards. Otherwise, send yours in. They will, at their discretion, swap out parts that are worn or out of spec. Doubtful if the swapped-out parts will be returned to you unless you make special arrangements. |
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It's that "trusted vendor" part that confounds me - any help there is appreciated. I think that any of the major vendors of M1As would be a good place to start looking. google M1/M1A NM trigger jobs, and see what comes up. FWIW, doing a good NM trigger job on an M1/M1A is not extremely difficult. There are some on-line tutorials showing how to do so, and the books by Jerry Kuhnhausen describe the job in detail. Again, FWIW, I polished a lot of internal surfaces in my Mini-14 trigger group, which is very similar to M1/M1A trigger groups, without touching the engagement surfaces, and reduced trigger creep, which I always found more objectionable than a heavy pull . Personally, I will take a slightly heavy trigger pull weight that gives me a glass clean break over a lighter trigger that has some creep to it. YMMV. |
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Yes, I think it was the Rader. http://www.midwayusa.com/product/887217/springfield-armory-m-25-m-21-m1a-tactical-trigger-group If you are using open sights the Rader is overkill. As others have stated you can have your trigger group tuned. I have a NM trigger group and a standard from Springfield. The pull weight on both is about 4 1/2 # with the NM being slightly lighter and noticeably more crisp. As far as I know the NM doesn't need any special care so there would be no need to swap back and forth. On a side note I first adjusted the Rader as light as it goes. At 1 1/2 # on a slight incline shooting prone it was too easy to get it to bump fire. Someone with more time on really good triggers might like it that light but I didn't find it comfortable that light. Hope this helps. |
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I think that any of the major vendors of M1As would be a good place to start looking. google M1/M1A NM trigger jobs, and see what comes up. FWIW, doing a good NM trigger job on an M1/M1A is not extremely difficult. There are some on-line tutorials showing how to do so, and the books by Jerry Kuhnhausen describe the job in detail. Again, FWIW, I polished a lot of internal surfaces in my Mini-14 trigger group, which is very similar to M1/M1A trigger groups, without touching the engagement surfaces, and reduced trigger creep, which I always found more objectionable than a heavy pull . Personally, I will take a slightly heavy trigger pull weight that gives me a glass clean break over a lighter trigger that has some creep to it. YMMV. Quoted:
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It's that "trusted vendor" part that confounds me - any help there is appreciated. I think that any of the major vendors of M1As would be a good place to start looking. google M1/M1A NM trigger jobs, and see what comes up. FWIW, doing a good NM trigger job on an M1/M1A is not extremely difficult. There are some on-line tutorials showing how to do so, and the books by Jerry Kuhnhausen describe the job in detail. Again, FWIW, I polished a lot of internal surfaces in my Mini-14 trigger group, which is very similar to M1/M1A trigger groups, without touching the engagement surfaces, and reduced trigger creep, which I always found more objectionable than a heavy pull . Personally, I will take a slightly heavy trigger pull weight that gives me a glass clean break over a lighter trigger that has some creep to it. YMMV. I was hoping you could provide a vendor or two having mentioned that it shouldn't cost $300. 
My searches showed SEI and Fulton's offerings is all. |
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Shop for a GI or Poly Tech trigger group that has SEI's full MAX-PAK upgrade. These are much nicer that a TG with a quality NM tune. http://www.athenswater.com/images/V2-EBR-SHOE.JPG I may do just this, send it to SEI and just have them work their magic. |
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The reason I suggested Fulton Armory is that I had a good experience with them.
I sent them my trigger group and several weeks later I got it back................ No switching of parts or anything. I had such good results I sent them a M1 Garand group and same thing. I modified them for Service rifles and so they weren't under 4.5lbs, more like 4.75........... FYI. I'm not sure what "collectable" M14 trigger parts are but they may file on your hammer and trigger/sear assy, so if you have a sentimental attachment to them, another group might be an idea. The three that I can think of are: Fulton, SEI and Springfield. There are other M14 specific gunsmiths but you'd have to look them up. |
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I may do just this, send it to SEI and just have them work their magic. Quoted:
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Shop for a GI or Poly Tech trigger group that has SEI's full MAX-PAK upgrade. These are much nicer that a TG with a quality NM tune. http://www.athenswater.com/images/V2-EBR-SHOE.JPG I may do just this, send it to SEI and just have them work their magic. Excellent choice! Call them and speak with Andy, I believe he performs all of the upgrades. |
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Excellent choice! Call them and speak with Andy, I believe he performs all of the upgrades. Quoted:
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Shop for a GI or Poly Tech trigger group that has SEI's full MAX-PAK upgrade. These are much nicer that a TG with a quality NM tune. http://www.athenswater.com/images/V2-EBR-SHOE.JPG I may do just this, send it to SEI and just have them work their magic. Excellent choice! Call them and speak with Andy, I believe he performs all of the upgrades.
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Art at www.shootingsight.com makes some great triggers. He is a regular at Camp Perry as well.
I don't have one of his M1A triggers but have his triggers in my Tavor and 556R and from those experiences would wholeheartedly recommend any of his products. Very approachable and responds personally to any correspondences. http://shop.shootingsight.com/Adjustable-NM-Trigger-for-M1-M1A-Adjustable-NM-Trigger-for-M1-M.htm http://shop.shootingsight.com/NM14-M1A-M1-Garand-Competition-Hammer-Garand-Hammer.htm http://shop.shootingsight.com/M1-M14-Rifle-Products_c2.htm |
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