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Posted: 9/15/2013 4:45:13 PM EDT
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I finally got around to scoping my polytech m14s, & I must say it was a shifty range day. Started out good. Got there with nobody around but the wife, kids, & me. Brought the wife's new 03 Springfield mark1, some mosins, the daughters high speed Ar, 1911, some other goodies, & my polytech. Broke out the 03 first. Shoots like a dream. Then we throw down some .45 lead. So that went well. Then it goes south with the polytech. She shoots good with the irons & I should have left it at that. New glass. A Millet DMS-1, in Vortex Viper medium height rings, or a mount of dubious manufacture. It's steel anyways. Got the rifle all set up. Took my handy dandy laser bore sighted. Went to the hundred yard or so lane. Waited for no cross wind, & well at least I know the rounds down range. Not a Damon clue what path they took to get there. 18 misses out of 20. To top it off I checked it again for bore sight. Damn near spot on. F'ing disgusting.
Went even worse from there. Assholes started showing up. Jamed Mosin bolt. The wife's Stevens 311a broke. Had to deal with my ex-wife. What a crappy day. Except for out shooting a dude with his M&P 9 and my 1911a1. That polytech has me pissed. Anyone here have any experience with a Millet DMS-1. Can't afford a new M1a right now so I'd love any advice on my glass issue with this one. Hope y'all had a better day than me. |
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Quoted: The M14 is not a good candidate for scoping. There's a ton of mounts on the market, many of which are junk. The stock isn't designed for scope use, getting a proper cheek weld is nearly impossible. You said it shoots good with irons. Leave it at that. I have a Poly that will never see glass. |
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What range did you go to? I notice you're a Missouri guy. We generally go to the pleasant hope conservation range by Springfield. It'll shoot better than I can. That's why I am trying the glass. I'll give it anther shot in a couple weeks, wife's set up a shooting date for us with some folks at her homeschooling group. Starting at 25m and walking her out. Feel like a fool for not thinking about that. So thank you :) |
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We generally go to the pleasant hope conservation range by Springfield. It'll shoot better than I can. That's why I am trying the glass. I'll give it anther shot in a couple weeks, wife's set up a shooting date for us with some folks at her homeschooling group. Starting at 25m and walking her out. Feel like a fool for not thinking about that. So thank you :) Quoted:
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What range did you go to? I notice you're a Missouri guy. We generally go to the pleasant hope conservation range by Springfield. It'll shoot better than I can. That's why I am trying the glass. I'll give it anther shot in a couple weeks, wife's set up a shooting date for us with some folks at her homeschooling group. Starting at 25m and walking her out. Feel like a fool for not thinking about that. So thank you :) I'm in the Springfield/Ozark area............... |
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The M14 is not a good candidate for scoping. There's a ton of mounts on the market, many of which are junk. The stock isn't designed for scope use, getting a proper cheek weld is nearly impossible. You said it shoots good with irons. Leave it at that. I have a Poly that will never see glass. Well, that's sort of true. I put a JAE stock on my fully accurized Poly with a Sadlak mount, Badger rings and a Leupold Mkiv Scope. Shoots less than an inch. I love this rifle, but honestly could have done the same thing cheaper with an AR-10. I don't care, I love this rifle |
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Well, that's sort of true. I put a JAE stock on my fully accurized Poly with a Sadlak mount, Badger rings and a Leupold Mkiv Scope. Shoots less than an inch. I love this rifle, but honestly could have done the same thing cheaper with an AR-10. I don't care, I love this rifle Quoted:
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The M14 is not a good candidate for scoping. There's a ton of mounts on the market, many of which are junk. The stock isn't designed for scope use, getting a proper cheek weld is nearly impossible. You said it shoots good with irons. Leave it at that. I have a Poly that will never see glass. Well, that's sort of true. I put a JAE stock on my fully accurized Poly with a Sadlak mount, Badger rings and a Leupold Mkiv Scope. Shoots less than an inch. I love this rifle, but honestly could have done the same thing cheaper with an AR-10. I don't care, I love this rifle That's the problem. While you can scope a 14 it quickly turns into an expensive proposition. You can easily double the price tag once you go down that path. |
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Quoted: I finally got around to scoping my polytech m14s, & I must say it was a shifty range day. Started out good. Got there with nobody around but the wife, kids, & me. Brought the wife's new 03 Springfield mark1, some mosins, the daughters high speed Ar, 1911, some other goodies, & my polytech. Broke out the 03 first. Shoots like a dream. Then we throw down some .45 lead. So that went well. Then it goes south with the polytech. She shoots good with the irons & I should have left it at that. New glass. A Millet DMS-1, in Vortex Viper medium height rings, or a mount of dubious manufacture. It's steel anyways. Got the rifle all set up. Took my handy dandy laser bore sighted. Went to the hundred yard or so lane. Waited for no cross wind, & well at least I know the rounds down range. Not a Damon clue what path they took to get there. 18 misses out of 20. To top it off I checked it again for bore sight. Damn near spot on. F'ing disgusting. Went even worse from there. Assholes started showing up. Jamed Mosin bolt. The wife's Stevens 311a broke. Had to deal with my ex-wife. What a crappy day. Except for out shooting a dude with his M&P 9 and my 1911a1. That polytech has me pissed. Anyone here have any experience with a Millet DMS-1. Can't afford a new M1a right now so I'd love any advice on my glass issue with this one. Hope y'all had a better day than me. My .02. |
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I have a Springy loaded. It's not bedded, I use the stupid gen III mount, without attaching at the second point, where the stripper clip guide goes, and the thing shoots very very well. Not SUB MOA, but I don't reload.
I don't see where all of this, "It's a pain to be scoped" comes from. However, you do have to make sure your mount is solid. And what kind of mount is it? Is it moving. And yeah, I have no clue about the millet. I forget what the reticle and power level is on that. It's a 4 power, right? Does that one have the circle and then like a semi circle underneath it? For fast acquisition? Maybe it's not good for precision shooting. And I third the advice about starting out closer for zeroing a scope. They can be pretty far off to start out with. Especially when the mount is kind of higher. I've scoped my A2 AR and you typically need a lot of adjustment to zero. 50 yards would sure be a heck of a lot easier than 100 to zero. But 25 is the best. I don't know. All I know is I've never had a problem getting mine to group well with optics on it. And I always scratch my head as to all these people saying it's so awful. Yes, an AR or a bolt gun is a much better option to scope. But so what. |
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I finally got around to scoping my polytech m14s, & I must say it was a shifty range day. Started out good. Got there with nobody around but the wife, kids, & me. Brought the wife's new 03 Springfield mark1, some mosins, the daughters high speed Ar, 1911, some other goodies, & my polytech. Broke out the 03 first. Shoots like a dream. Then we throw down some .45 lead. So that went well. Then it goes south with the polytech. She shoots good with the irons & I should have left it at that. New glass. A Millet DMS-1, in Vortex Viper medium height rings, or a mount of dubious manufacture. It's steel anyways. Got the rifle all set up. Took my handy dandy laser bore sighted. Went to the hundred yard or so lane. Waited for no cross wind, & well at least I know the rounds down range. Not a Damon clue what path they took to get there. 18 misses out of 20. To top it off I checked it again for bore sight. Damn near spot on. F'ing disgusting. Went even worse from there. Assholes started showing up. Jamed Mosin bolt. The wife's Stevens 311a broke. Had to deal with my ex-wife. What a crappy day. Except for out shooting a dude with his M&P 9 and my 1911a1. That polytech has me pissed. Anyone here have any experience with a Millet DMS-1. Can't afford a new M1a right now so I'd love any advice on my glass issue with this one. Hope y'all had a better day than me. Just another target !!  Sorry such a bad day. BUT some of the fun is just working on them and when it all goes right then your happy !
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The millet is a 4 power. The retical is basically a T post doughnut. Overall its similar to an accupoint. I have no idea on the mount. Got it from a coworker. Couldnt beat free. Likly a reason iy was free. May not be the best set up, but its what I have to work with for now. Just need more practice.
While some systems are better for scoping. Its my opinion that most rifes can be. I was taught distance shooting with a russian svd. For those who have shot a svd or even a romanian fpk. You know about some shitty cheek weld, & massive scope heights. Might as well be chin weld. Im not out for sub-moa results. Im out to be able to put one in center mass out to around 500yds. Id be hard pressed for a longer shot around here. I've been a welder and a trucker for the 16 years So my eyes are half cooked. Thats why lm trying the glass. Just need more practice or a better set up. Thank you for all the advice though. Still got a good group of folks here. |
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I'd be looking at the mount. They are kind of the weak link. Although you don't necessarily have to spend a lot of money to get a good one, you just have to make sure it's not moving. And usually the more expensive ones ARE better. Another option might be a scout rail, since I would imagine yours is a GI profiled barrel. Although I'm not sure how that translates on the chicoms.
I've done my share of shooting with an AR with a scope on top of the carry handle. And yeah, it's chin weld, but I can still get decent results. I think the added clarity in vision at the target makes up more for the sloppy repeatability of where my face is. So.... it seems like both you and I understand that. You'll get it sorted out. If it seems to group decent with the irons, I think you can get a scope to get even better results. But you do need to be cogniscent of how the mount is doing. You got any pics??? I think fulton armory carries a decent mount that doesn't cost an arm or a leg. 70 bucks I think . But I think they have a good reputation. |
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Quoted: I think fulton armory carries a decent mount that doesn't cost an arm or a leg. 70 bucks I think . But I think they have a good reputation. While I think Fulton Armory is a good shop and provides good quality parts and services, the single point mount is not something I would recommend to someone who is already experiencing mount issues. It is very similar to the SA single point mount which I believe has been the source of a lot of frustration to many M1A owners. Many years of experience have shown that the only reliable mount designs that have stood up over hard use are all Brookfield based mounts. Fulton, in fact, makes a good one, but again, you are looking at a higher price point. Spend the money, get a quality 3 point mount, install it correctly (yes, you really do need to read and follow the installation instructions) and then you can rule out the mount as a part of the problem. |
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The M14 is not a good candidate for scoping. There's a ton of mounts on the market, many of which are junk. The stock isn't designed for scope use, getting a proper cheek weld is nearly impossible. You said it shoots good with irons. Leave it at that. I have a Poly that will never see glass. Not true, there are several companies that make very good scope mounts, Sadlak is one. It is designed that you can even use your irons with it. As far as cheek weld you just need to add a cheek rest |
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It looks like a springfield mount to me. They're kind of soft and I think probably the worst out of all of them. Even though I use mine, I've always wanted to get something different.
Wait, maybe that isn't a springy. If it is, it's different than the one I have. But it looks like similar material. |
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Quoted: http://i741.photobucket.com/albums/xx54/jslegspoet/105_2810_zps91233255.jpg http://i741.photobucket.com/albums/xx54/jslegspoet/105_2812_zps52a86c87.jpg http://i741.photobucket.com/albums/xx54/jslegspoet/105_2814_zpsd26be878.jpg http://i741.photobucket.com/albums/xx54/jslegspoet/105_2815_zps22c2aa5f.jpg Whats the difference between single point and tree point mounts? besides the obvious number of contact points. I don't have a problem with paying the higher prices for a better mount, but about to mounts I am rather uninformed. ETA: BTW, what you have is a older SARCO mount. I have never had much success with that mount. |
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this is the one I was thinking about wayneg
I know the brookfield would be better, but I'm not sure this one would be horrible. I think it allows you to use the irons too. |
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The M1A is truly one of the most difficult rifles to scope. That mount is basically the same as the SARCO on the rifle right now. It is my experience that the only mounts I have found that are rigid, consistent, and sufficiently adjustable are the Brookfield Precision mount (good luck finding an original Brookfield these days) and it's clones, notably the Smith Enterprises, which I have handled on USMC and USN rifles and has a good reputation, and the Sadlak, which also has a good reputation. Workable exceptions to the Brookfield design is the Sage chassis, which I have found to be an excellent platform for mounting optics on the M1A. I have no experience with the Troy chassis, but that may work as well. All of these have one thing in common, and that is a high price point. In the case of the M1A/M14 rifle, it is my experience that the mount is one area you need to make the investment in if you desire optics. Quoted:
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this is the one I was thinking about wayneg I know the brookfield would be better, but I'm not sure this one would be horrible. I think it allows you to use the irons too. As far as that being the same mount as he has now, I respectfully disagree. It is clearly made of a different casting or stamping or whatever kind of metal it is. Have you ever had any hands on experience with that mount? I'm not asking to be a smart alec, just wanting to know where this is coming from. I have only had experience with my mount. And that experience tells me it's not a very good mount, but I can still get it to shoot decently using it. And actually using improperly by just mounting it at one point. I felt like I got less of a wandering zero when I didn't attach it at the stripper clip guide. My experience is just at range conditions though. Which seems to be what the OP is after so far. Actually, I'm not entirely convinced that his mount IS the problem. But only he can figure that out. We can just expound about what we know. LOL. I did forget to say Guardian Demon, that is a sweet looking Chicom rifle. I like how the scope looks on there. An interesting contrast with the finish. How much shooting did you do with the irons? And what kind of groups were you getting? We might have gotten sidetracked on the hardware. Because I still think it's good advice to get closer to start and go from there. And make sure your knob isn't coming loose on the side there. And it's all tight. Personally, I think a cross hair is a lot better for accuracy shooting. As opposed to those reticles. But to be honest, I don't own one and I'm not completely understanding what it is exactly. I thought there is a dot in the middle though. I just looked it up. I see the dot is pretty small, but nevertheless. Who knows, a guy was letting me shoot his AR a couple of weeks ago with one on. Which is where I was getting my recollection from. And I really didn't like the reticle set up. I don't prefer things so busy. But I'm probably weird. |
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Well, some things for me to think on. I think that I will replace my setup when funds allow. Mostly because I like having a range of options for a range scenarios. But itll have to wait till tax time and my yearly ammo purchase. No money for it now. So in the mean time, lm gonna keep at it with this one. Who knows maybe itll work itself out.
Thanks for the advice folks. |
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As far as that being the same mount as he has now, I respectfully disagree. It is clearly made of a different casting or stamping or whatever kind of metal it is. Have you ever had any hands on experience with that mount? I'm not asking to be a smart alec, just wanting to know where this is coming from. I have only had experience with my mount. And that experience tells me it's not a very good mount, but I can still get it to shoot decently using it. And actually using improperly by just mounting it at one point. I felt like I got less of a wandering zero when I didn't attach it at the stripper clip guide. My experience is just at range conditions though. Which seems to be what the OP is after so far. Actually, I'm not entirely convinced that his mount IS the problem. But only he can figure that out. We can just expound about what we know. LOL. I did forget to say Guardian Demon, that is a sweet looking Chicom rifle. I like how the scope looks on there. An interesting contrast with the finish. How much shooting did you do with the irons? And what kind of groups were you getting? We might have gotten sidetracked on the hardware. Because I still think it's good advice to get closer to start and go from there. And make sure your knob isn't coming loose on the side there. And it's all tight. Personally, I think a cross hair is a lot better for accuracy shooting. As opposed to those reticles. But to be honest, I don't own one and I'm not completely understanding what it is exactly. I thought there is a dot in the middle though. I just looked it up. I see the dot is pretty small, but nevertheless. Who knows, a guy was letting me shoot his AR a couple of weeks ago with one on. Which is where I was getting my recollection from. And I really didn't like the reticle set up. I don't prefer things so busy. But I'm probably weird. Quoted:
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this is the one I was thinking about wayneg I know the brookfield would be better, but I'm not sure this one would be horrible. I think it allows you to use the irons too. As far as that being the same mount as he has now, I respectfully disagree. It is clearly made of a different casting or stamping or whatever kind of metal it is. Have you ever had any hands on experience with that mount? I'm not asking to be a smart alec, just wanting to know where this is coming from. I have only had experience with my mount. And that experience tells me it's not a very good mount, but I can still get it to shoot decently using it. And actually using improperly by just mounting it at one point. I felt like I got less of a wandering zero when I didn't attach it at the stripper clip guide. My experience is just at range conditions though. Which seems to be what the OP is after so far. Actually, I'm not entirely convinced that his mount IS the problem. But only he can figure that out. We can just expound about what we know. LOL. I did forget to say Guardian Demon, that is a sweet looking Chicom rifle. I like how the scope looks on there. An interesting contrast with the finish. How much shooting did you do with the irons? And what kind of groups were you getting? We might have gotten sidetracked on the hardware. Because I still think it's good advice to get closer to start and go from there. And make sure your knob isn't coming loose on the side there. And it's all tight. Personally, I think a cross hair is a lot better for accuracy shooting. As opposed to those reticles. But to be honest, I don't own one and I'm not completely understanding what it is exactly. I thought there is a dot in the middle though. I just looked it up. I see the dot is pretty small, but nevertheless. Who knows, a guy was letting me shoot his AR a couple of weeks ago with one on. Which is where I was getting my recollection from. And I really didn't like the reticle set up. I don't prefer things so busy. But I'm probably weird. I've never heard anybody refer to Springfield Armory as Chicom, but whatever... I can't use the sights anymore with the mount and scope, but I did use them for a while and I can say that those sights are the best I've ever used/seen on any rifle. I felt like if I could see it, I could shoot it. My groups vary a lot, depending on what kind of ammo I'm using, it's kinda sensitive to it, but I know it's fairly decent. I think I've recorded some 1.5 MOA groups or so, but I don't have a rifle rest or anything, so it's not very "official". |
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Quoted: As far as that being the same mount as he has now, I respectfully disagree. It is clearly made of a different casting or stamping or whatever kind of metal it is. Have you ever had any hands on experience with that mount? I'm not asking to be a smart alec, just wanting to know where this is coming from. I have only had experience with my mount. And that experience tells me it's not a very good mount, but I can still get it to shoot decently using it. And actually using improperly by just mounting it at one point. I felt like I got less of a wandering zero when I didn't attach it at the stripper clip guide. My experience is just at range conditions though. Which seems to be what the OP is after so far. Actually, I'm not entirely convinced that his mount IS the problem. But only he can figure that out. We can just expound about what we know. LOL. I did forget to say Guardian Demon, that is a sweet looking Chicom rifle. I like how the scope looks on there. An interesting contrast with the finish. How much shooting did you do with the irons? And what kind of groups were you getting? We might have gotten sidetracked on the hardware. Because I still think it's good advice to get closer to start and go from there. And make sure your knob isn't coming loose on the side there. And it's all tight. Personally, I think a cross hair is a lot better for accuracy shooting. As opposed to those reticles. But to be honest, I don't own one and I'm not completely understanding what it is exactly. I thought there is a dot in the middle though. I just looked it up. I see the dot is pretty small, but nevertheless. Who knows, a guy was letting me shoot his AR a couple of weeks ago with one on. Which is where I was getting my recollection from. And I really didn't like the reticle set up. I don't prefer things so busy. But I'm probably weird. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: this is the one I was thinking about wayneg I know the brookfield would be better, but I'm not sure this one would be horrible. I think it allows you to use the irons too. As far as that being the same mount as he has now, I respectfully disagree. It is clearly made of a different casting or stamping or whatever kind of metal it is. Have you ever had any hands on experience with that mount? I'm not asking to be a smart alec, just wanting to know where this is coming from. I have only had experience with my mount. And that experience tells me it's not a very good mount, but I can still get it to shoot decently using it. And actually using improperly by just mounting it at one point. I felt like I got less of a wandering zero when I didn't attach it at the stripper clip guide. My experience is just at range conditions though. Which seems to be what the OP is after so far. Actually, I'm not entirely convinced that his mount IS the problem. But only he can figure that out. We can just expound about what we know. LOL. I did forget to say Guardian Demon, that is a sweet looking Chicom rifle. I like how the scope looks on there. An interesting contrast with the finish. How much shooting did you do with the irons? And what kind of groups were you getting? We might have gotten sidetracked on the hardware. Because I still think it's good advice to get closer to start and go from there. And make sure your knob isn't coming loose on the side there. And it's all tight. Personally, I think a cross hair is a lot better for accuracy shooting. As opposed to those reticles. But to be honest, I don't own one and I'm not completely understanding what it is exactly. I thought there is a dot in the middle though. I just looked it up. I see the dot is pretty small, but nevertheless. Who knows, a guy was letting me shoot his AR a couple of weeks ago with one on. Which is where I was getting my recollection from. And I really didn't like the reticle set up. I don't prefer things so busy. But I'm probably weird. Anyway, my $.02. Best of luck to the OP in solving this issue. |
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I've never heard anybody refer to Springfield Armory as Chicom, but whatever... I can't use the sights anymore with the mount and scope, but I did use them for a while and I can say that those sights are the best I've ever used/seen on any rifle. I felt like if I could see it, I could shoot it. My groups vary a lot, depending on what kind of ammo I'm using, it's kinda sensitive to it, but I know it's fairly decent. I think I've recorded some 1.5 MOA groups or so, but I don't have a rifle rest or anything, so it's not very "official". Quoted:
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this is the one I was thinking about wayneg I know the brookfield would be better, but I'm not sure this one would be horrible. I think it allows you to use the irons too. As far as that being the same mount as he has now, I respectfully disagree. It is clearly made of a different casting or stamping or whatever kind of metal it is. Have you ever had any hands on experience with that mount? I'm not asking to be a smart alec, just wanting to know where this is coming from. I have only had experience with my mount. And that experience tells me it's not a very good mount, but I can still get it to shoot decently using it. And actually using improperly by just mounting it at one point. I felt like I got less of a wandering zero when I didn't attach it at the stripper clip guide. My experience is just at range conditions though. Which seems to be what the OP is after so far. Actually, I'm not entirely convinced that his mount IS the problem. But only he can figure that out. We can just expound about what we know. LOL. I did forget to say Guardian Demon, that is a sweet looking Chicom rifle. I like how the scope looks on there. An interesting contrast with the finish. How much shooting did you do with the irons? And what kind of groups were you getting? We might have gotten sidetracked on the hardware. Because I still think it's good advice to get closer to start and go from there. And make sure your knob isn't coming loose on the side there. And it's all tight. Personally, I think a cross hair is a lot better for accuracy shooting. As opposed to those reticles. But to be honest, I don't own one and I'm not completely understanding what it is exactly. I thought there is a dot in the middle though. I just looked it up. I see the dot is pretty small, but nevertheless. Who knows, a guy was letting me shoot his AR a couple of weeks ago with one on. Which is where I was getting my recollection from. And I really didn't like the reticle set up. I don't prefer things so busy. But I'm probably weird. I've never heard anybody refer to Springfield Armory as Chicom, but whatever... I can't use the sights anymore with the mount and scope, but I did use them for a while and I can say that those sights are the best I've ever used/seen on any rifle. I felt like if I could see it, I could shoot it. My groups vary a lot, depending on what kind of ammo I'm using, it's kinda sensitive to it, but I know it's fairly decent. I think I've recorded some 1.5 MOA groups or so, but I don't have a rifle rest or anything, so it's not very "official". I thought I was clear in my post that I was referring to the OP's rifle. He stated it was a polytech. Oooops, I just looked back and see I mixed up the two names. My bad. I meant to say "Mattgunguy" when I called it a Chicom. Sorry about that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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All I am offering is advice based on my personal experience, which includes service with these weapons in a non-range environment. I recall the issues the FAST USMC folks had with getting consistent performance out of their M21's back in the 80's. I know (since I was there) that the Brookfield mount solved alot of those issues. It seems to me that if you except the premise that the mount currently installed is a contributory factor to the problem, then replacing it with a mount that is basically the same design doesn't solve your problem. Anyway, my $.02. Best of luck to the OP in solving this issue. Quoted:
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this is the one I was thinking about wayneg I know the brookfield would be better, but I'm not sure this one would be horrible. I think it allows you to use the irons too. As far as that being the same mount as he has now, I respectfully disagree. It is clearly made of a different casting or stamping or whatever kind of metal it is. Have you ever had any hands on experience with that mount? I'm not asking to be a smart alec, just wanting to know where this is coming from. I have only had experience with my mount. And that experience tells me it's not a very good mount, but I can still get it to shoot decently using it. And actually using improperly by just mounting it at one point. I felt like I got less of a wandering zero when I didn't attach it at the stripper clip guide. My experience is just at range conditions though. Which seems to be what the OP is after so far. Actually, I'm not entirely convinced that his mount IS the problem. But only he can figure that out. We can just expound about what we know. LOL. I did forget to say Guardian Demon, that is a sweet looking Chicom rifle. I like how the scope looks on there. An interesting contrast with the finish. How much shooting did you do with the irons? And what kind of groups were you getting? We might have gotten sidetracked on the hardware. Because I still think it's good advice to get closer to start and go from there. And make sure your knob isn't coming loose on the side there. And it's all tight. Personally, I think a cross hair is a lot better for accuracy shooting. As opposed to those reticles. But to be honest, I don't own one and I'm not completely understanding what it is exactly. I thought there is a dot in the middle though. I just looked it up. I see the dot is pretty small, but nevertheless. Who knows, a guy was letting me shoot his AR a couple of weeks ago with one on. Which is where I was getting my recollection from. And I really didn't like the reticle set up. I don't prefer things so busy. But I'm probably weird. Anyway, my $.02. Best of luck to the OP in solving this issue. I hear ya. It's just that it appeared we're not really sure what the problem is yet. It does kind of seem like it might be the mount, but it's hard to know without messing with it ourselves. I personally have had good service with sometimes things that are not necessarily the BEST thing out there. Like I said, I felt like I got better results with the springy only using the one point attachment. Which really seems counter intuitive. But that's my experience. You probably have more than I do though. |
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Problem half assed solved. My mount is a UTG mount. The coworker I got it from found the box for it. I'll be needing to replace this pronto. I'm not a fan of UTG AT all. Also I tried my Millet out on my daughter's AR. Fits so well I'm leaving it, & selling the trijicon rx30 that was on it to get me a new mount and glass. Well at least new glass. So I'm out of the m1a glass game for the time being.
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Sweet. Should go sling some brass sometime. I hardly ever get to meet any arfcommers. Well, make it another one... I'm around you guys too... I quit going to Bois D'arc when they told me I couldn't use silhouette targets anymore (not mention the stinky eye on my AR). I rather spend some money and go to Sound of Freedom (no long range though) OP, sorry to hear about your crappy day... There's always tomorrow though... |
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Problem half assed solved. My mount is a UTG mount. The coworker I got it from found the box for it. I'll be needing to replace this pronto. I'm not a fan of UTG AT all. Also I tried my Millet out on my daughter's AR. Fits so well I'm leaving it, & selling the trijicon rx30 that was on it to get me a new mount and glass. Well at least new glass. So I'm out of the m1a glass game for the time being. Thanks for all the advice. Not to be "that guy", but there's you problem, right there. ka |
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I have the Bassett low mount and shoot the 600 yrd range at about 1.15 moa on my Springfield Loaded withh a NM bbl. You can't say an M1A wont shoot closw to MOA. That mount is repeatable within 1 inch at 100 yrds.  Is that the one I linked? I've heard about the Bassett, but I don't know if that is the one fulton carries. It's rather inexpensive compared to others though, correct? |
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Over 20 years ago, I mounted a 2X7 Leopold optical sight on my then-new 7X57mm Mauser Winchester Mod 70 Featherweight using Burris mounts and rings. I had purchased the rifle at The Country Store at Camp Pendleton, and was really excited to see how it would shoot. At the time, the Leopold 2X7 was rather compact, so that's why I chose it.
I didn't have a boresight tool, so I did it as best as I could by removing the bolt and looking down the bore and trying to line up a right angle somewhere with that of the retical in the scope. That done, I headed to range a few days later, and couldn't hit the paper for beans. It took quite a few rounds-as in most of a box-to finally see the impact of the rounds, which were off the paper to the left. The only way I found it was someone that was watching observed the impact of the bullet (I couldn't because of the recoil). I adjusted the "windage" on the rear ring to compensate, and had no troubles after that. I have an A4 clone built on a RR upper and lower that required 34 clicks "UP" on the elevation adjustment on the RCO to bring the impact of the rounds where they were supposed to be. I could replace the upper, and the problem would probably be fixed, but it works now so no big deal. The barrel passes a barrel straightness gauge test. Hang in there OP. Your mount doesn't have to be that far off to make for a clean miss. Go with the extra flow and buy a quality mount. You could probably find one used and pay a lot less than the price of a new mount at retail prices. Try the PX at the M14 Firing Line forum. -Good luck- |
| Well game back on. Sort of. Got myself a Nikon 3x9-40 prostaff with the BBC retical. Same dubious mount for the time being. Took some files to it, and well it's straighter at least. A learning experience that was free to me. Hell if I can reweld a torch cut ak back into a functional ( & legal ) rifle. I can play with a Chinese scope mount for a bit. Until I can afford a better mount that is. I may give the rifle the krylon touch. |
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Well game back on. Sort of. Got myself a Nikon 3x9-40 prostaff with the BBC retical. Same dubious mount for the time being. Took some files to it, and well it's straighter at least. A learning experience that was free to me. Hell if I can reweld a torch cut ak back into a functional ( & legal ) rifle. I can play with a Chinese scope mount for a bit. Until I can afford a better mount that is. I may give the rifle the krylon touch. NOooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!  
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