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Posted: 1/23/2013 3:01:35 PM EDT
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Total novice to this type rifle,one is being offered for sale locally.
Listing reads: Springfield m1A national match,carbon stock ,9-20 round mags ,-1 10 round mag ,1 -5 round mag, with scope and mount and 100 rounds of assorted ammo
I am guessing from the pic that the stock is synthetic not carbon. What else can y'all tell me? What would you pay for everything? What should I ask the seller? Thanks. |
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I have a NM with a black synthetic stock and a Douglas Stainless barrel. Lots of variations out there. The sights will tell you if it is a NM because they are finer with higher resolution. Not all of the rear sights were hooded. Mine is because I changed it. With the mags and ammo, it will easily bring $1500 if it hasn't been shot much or if it isn't dicked up in some way. You would need to know what scope and mount is on it to make a fair estimate. |
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Some additional info.
Guy ordered it with a carbon fiber stock(??) about 1 1/2 years ago. Has about 150 rounds through it. Mags are one Springfield,rest are Check-mate,including a couple of stainless steel mags. No box but does have the manual. Guy is laid off,so needs to sell. |
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I'm thinking it's what they call a loaded model.
barrels were marked NM but that pretty much was the only NM part on the whole rifle. that stock looks like their typical plastic stock, I could be wrong of course but that sure looks like their current basic plastic stock. i would put the rifle at 1200 and the mags at 250, so you're pretty much there. If it was their generic plastic stock I'd toss it and buy a better one; GI walnut or Birch, McMillan fibreglass or you could go with one of the many techno SDM type folding tacticool stocks out there. |
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Unless it is bedded, it is not a NM model rifle, that is the dead giveaway. This. You just described my Loaded. Offer 1400 for rifle alone 1600 for everything else see if he bites. I kinda have a bit of experience with the true NM rifles, I have one sitting right here  I paid $1650 +tax about 3yrs ago for my NM, it was lightly used, and I got a good deal. Hell, these days a real NM would go for up around $1800-2000, wouldn't they??
I think they make NM rifles with a synthetic stock, but I have personally only saw Walnut. |
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You know what, I don't like the guy calling it a NM model when it clearly is not. Synthetic I believe is just molded plastic, not the high tech sounding carbon fiber. Trust is gone on this deal, what else is an issue with him and with the rifle?
I'd offer him $1200 for the used loaded model. If he wants the money he'll bite. If he's just trying to gouge a newb he'll pass. Looking at the pic I can't see a NM hooded rear (they do or did make a non hooded NM aperature) and I question if a hooded NM rear sight would fit with that scope there. I could be wrong. Oh and the promag scope mount isn't even on my radar for quality M14/M1a scope mounts. ETA- yep current specs are NM NON HOODED rear sight. That's different from my loaded model of time gone by. It's still not a NM rifle withough a lot of other stuff, the most important being a fully bedded walnut stock or the bedded fiberglass Mcmillan stock on the super match. Yep, $1200 (I'm still at 1200 on a tupperware stocked gun) |
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I contacted him and told him(quite nicely I thought) that the rifle was a loaded model not a National Match,received a reply to call the gun store it was bought from and talk to them. 
Not sure how the gun store would know more than Springfield. I would just tell him that you asked the factory with the serial number he provided and they stated that it's a loaded model. If he does not believe that provide the number and let him call himself. Either he does not know or he knows and does not want to hear a different answer. Now that you know you can make an offer accordingly. I have seen the same drill at gun shows where you have a rifle & no box and the parts do not match the description. |
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yep, I'd let him know you called the factory and confirmed it left as a loaded model and that it has some NM parts but it is not a NM rifle as they would be glass bedded in an oversized walnut stock or camoflaged McMillan stock, never in the black plastic stock. make him your offer and like dealing with car guys, be ready to walk, no sense getting emotionally invested with a clown. hell send him a link to the SA Inc website, I looked it up last nite myself to see if they mentioned carbon fiber stock.--> They do not, it's described as carbon steel barrel, and a synthetic stock (aka plastic, not the much more expensive carbon fiber as used on expensive ultralight mountain hunting rifles). That stock would not even qualify to shoot in the service rifle catagory as it lacks the GI style buttplate. It's not NM spec by any means.
he may have been duped by a gunstore con artist or he may be the guy trying to pull in an uneducated buyer. Either way you know what it is and can act accordingly. There are plenty of these rifles out there, hell just look in the EE for another if this doesn't go your way. I wouldn't budge much as the guy is clueless or misrepresenting the rifle. |
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The USGI plastic stocks are actually pretty decent, the Springfield plastic stock is a boat oar.
It could be a nice rifle for someone IF priced right. The scope mount is nothing special IMHO. If you want to see how to properly bed a NM rifle or whats involved take a look at the link below. I bedded my super match in a McMillan stock. A Mac stock will set you back around $450 and needs to be bedded. http://m14forum.com/m14/128315-bedding-rear-lug-gun-coat-hanger-way-pic-heavy.html |
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I'm thinking maybe the seller on this rifle was snowballed by the dealer when he bought it. I know a ton of dealers that will get in a "loaded" model, and see NM on the barrel, and the front site, and jack the price up and label it as a NM rifle when it is not. I cringe to think how many people have been hosed into paying NM prices for a loaded rifle, and they don't even know it.
I ran across one certain rifle at a gunshow a few years back, it was NIB, laying on top the box with the box label facing the dealer, not the customers. Rifle was labeled as a NM, and priced accordingly. me interested in why this was labeled a NM rifle stopped, looked at it, determined it wasn't, and when the dealer asked if he could help me, I politely asked him if he knew this was a loaded rifle, not a NM. He gave me the  look, and I told him, if this was indeed a NM rifle it would be bedded, and have a hooded rear site and also told him, the box he had with the label facing him would clearly tell him that it was not a NM rifle. I guess he must have figured he wasn't going to snowball me, and he told me if I didn't like it go somewhere else pretty much
Another way to tell a NIB NM rifle is the hard case, I know when I purchased my rifle used, it came in a Plano hard case with the SA labels on it. My rifle was made in 2006, so I'm not sure if they still do that or not however. |
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The USGI plastic stocks are actually pretty decent, the Springfield plastic stock is a boat oar. It could be a nice rifle for someone IF priced right. The scope mount is nothing special IMHO. If you want to see how to properly bed a NM rifle or whats involved take a look at the link below. I bedded my super match in a McMillan stock. A Mac stock will set you back around $450 and needs to be bedded. http://m14forum.com/m14/128315-bedding-rear-lug-gun-coat-hanger-way-pic-heavy.html I know what you mean but the USGI synthetic stocks are FIBERGLASS not plastic. Less bendy than plastic but the forends still bend if you're cranking on a match sling to your arm. A bedding job on a USGI glass stock is more reliably done than attempting same on a plastic stock. Plastics will release epoxy bedding much easier than fiberglass ever will. Brownells in their Acraglas kit instructions pretty much tell you that. I'm a big fan of the McM NM stock. A runner up in stiffness was the older laminated wood stocks, I can't remember who made them, wasn't Boyds, someone who got bought out, maybe Fajen. Well I can't quite recall who made the laminate wood stocks for the M1a in the late 80's early 90's. |
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In my book a true NM would have a glass bedded wooden stock, unitized gas system, and a hooded rear sight, in addition to the NM front sight. Also the NM spring guide is 3/8 drill rod instead of a flat piece of sheet metal. Also NM fire control group.
I practically converted a loaded into almost a NM by adding a hooded sight, NM flash hider, NM spring guide, and unitized gas system. The only thing I'm missing is a bedded stock. But it's still a medium weight NM marked barrel. |
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