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Posted: 12/29/2011 10:44:40 AM EDT
| hey just wondering what kinda accuracy people are getting with their SOCOM II rifles... I am very interested in getting one and that is really the only thing that i haven't seen much about. Thanks for your help!!! |
| I think it's capable of 1" @ moa with a scope. It may not be able to at 300yds like it's 18"-22" M1A brothers. From what I read it looses about 300fps from its 16" barrel. We have 1 range here that goes to 300 meters that I wouldn't mind trying once I get a scope on it, I don't think I could hit anything with The Irons at that range on the Socom since they are so wide. I barely could see a 6" target at 50 meters with that front site. It really is meant for clearing rooms. If I can get 2" at 200meters I'll be happy but it's gonna be awhile before I can buy a scope since I just bought a JAE G3. |
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The FGM shot 1 MOA at 100yrs. Yeah, the rifle itself is more than capable. It's the sights. My scout had normal sights on it, and it was a 2 moa gun with hand loads and irons, and better with a scope. Slugo, just gotta ask, are those wader boots you're sporting? If so, do they add to accuracy? |
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The FGM shot 1 MOA at 100yrs. Yeah, the rifle itself is more than capable. It's the sights. My scout had normal sights on it, and it was a 2 moa gun with hand loads and irons, and better with a scope. Slugo, just gotta ask, are those wader boots you're sporting? If so, do they add to accuracy? That photo is sooooooooo old. Back when Florida used to get tropical storms...  we all went to the range the weekend after a storm and the range was flooded!!!
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The FGM shot 1 MOA at 100yrs. Yeah, the rifle itself is more than capable. It's the sights. My scout had normal sights on it, and it was a 2 moa gun with hand loads and irons, and better with a scope. Slugo, just gotta ask, are those wader boots you're sporting? If so, do they add to accuracy? That photo is sooooooooo old. Back when Florida used to get tropical storms... we all went to the range the weekend after a storm and the range was flooded!!!So, basically, your saying that in this particular scenario you got a half moa or so out of then? Good to know. I think I'll get to out to Academy Sports and pick up a pair. I can use the help. 
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I can't get mine to shoot better than 2 inches with a scope on it. Most disappointing gun I've ever bought. I think I'm gonna take the SAGE stock off it and put wood on so I can put the SAGE on something useful. What kind of ammo? If I can get 1" moa I'll be good. Just got an email. My scope mount should be here early next week. |
| It was early last summer when I was working hard to get it to shoot, got frustrated, put it up and hadn't thought much about it since. If I recall correctly, the recipe that performed the best was 168 gr Sierra Match Kings with 39 gr of IMR 3031. It'd be fine for minute-of-man performance, but I'd hoped it would be a 1moa gun. |
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Ammo is going to be critical , on any particular gun the triggers will be different. Skill of the shooter (type of sheep boots)
The hotshot match shooters claim stocks and stock fit (bedding) is a big deal on M1a types. In theory the smaller M1As lose mostly velocity and not accuracy but who knows. Obviously Iron sights are going to suffer but the sight style is about perfect on the full sized gun so it isn't going to be horrible |
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One of the main things is making sure there is no contact with the op rod anywhere in the stock, and a few other things. There are several good books that go over that. Scott Duff's book being one. Unitizing the gas system and things like that. The M14 system has a lot of parts that are not going to return to the exact same position shot to shot. Those things can be fixed. That's what you have to look for with that rifle. My loaded with the NM Stainless barrel, trigger group, sights etc, was under 1 moa with a few of the above mods. I never bedded the stock. It stayed factory. It was a fiberglass stock though, not wood, so that minimizes some of the issues right there.
Hand loads brought it down big time though over anything factory. The best factory load for it and for the scout I had was the Black Hills 168gr SMK load. |
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I finally took my rifle out with a 3x9 scope. I only shot at 50yrds as I was zeroing it and was having a hell of a time. In the snow I couldn't see where I was hitting when I aimed at the X. I finally seen 1 shot hit when I aimed like 1 foot off the side of the target. It was really hard to zero with it being so cold (Negative Degrees) and my breath going up past my eyes and fogging everything up. I managed to get 3 shots 1" at 50 yards use MKE Turkey Ammo. I'll give it another try when it warms up a bit.
Will this type of cold affect accuracy? |
| The SOCOM II has a 16" light profile barrel, anything better than 2moa out of the box is great. To see sub moa from these you need at least a medium profile NM barrel, gas cylinder mods, careful fitting of the stock, NM spring guide, a NM trigger. Shooting off bags or a vise makes a hell of a difference also. |
| MOA groups with the M1A ='s dollars spent on tuning the rifle. Expecting a SOCOM to shoot sub moa is way out of line. It is designed as a CQB weapon. Spend some time as suggested doing research on the M1A platform and you will find that the platform is basicallly a great semiauto battle rifle as are FAL's, HK 91's, and Garrands. Reliable, field accurate and hard hitting. If you want sub-moa performance in a relatively stock semiauto rifle then buy a HK 91, DPMS 308 24" or any number of 5.56 AR's. |
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