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5/15/2011 7:45:53 AM EDT


I received my Brand New M1A a Week ago, so I went to the Range to
fire it, out of a Box of 20 Sellier & Bellot .308 147gr. Fmj.  I had 15 rounds not Fire, I looked at the Primers
they were never touched by the Firing Pin. The Bolt was all the way forward. I
called Springfield Armory and the Lady I talked to said it was because I need
to use 167gr. Bullets. Is this true?  What
am I doing wrong? Was it just Bad Ammo? Thanks!









 
5/15/2011 8:19:00 AM EDT
[#1]
I think we can discount the comment about the bullet weight for the moment.  

Did any of it fire?

The simple act of chambering a round on an M1A should leave at least a tiny firing pin mark on the primer face.

First, I would examine the bolt and make sure that there is firing pin protrusion from the bolt face as you move the firing pin.  If not, the firing pin may be broken or its channel mismachined in the bolt.

There are a couple of features on the rifle that prevent out of battery misfires and I would check those as well.  If the bolt is not fully rotated to the closed position, the tang of the firing pin is prevented from moving forward by the firing pin bridge (helical cut part on the receiver bottom).  When looking at bottom of the barreled receiver, the bridge should not interfere with the firing pin travel with the bolt fully closed.

Excessive headspace would be another cause.  If you have headspace gauges, you could check that as well.

Tight headspace and/or out of spec ammo could cause the bolt to close but not fully rotate shut, engaging the safety features noted above.

That's all I can think of at the moment.
5/15/2011 8:26:50 AM EDT
[#2]
That lady's answer is full of excrement.

Sounds like a bad bolt or bad firing pin as already mentioned.  Even a short firing pin should leave some amount of dimple.  To not do so would be extremely short!
5/15/2011 8:31:32 AM EDT
[#3]



Quoted:


That lady's answer is full of excrement.



Sounds like a bad bolt or bad firing pin as already mentioned.  Even a short firing pin should leave some amount of dimple.  To not do so would be extremely short!


I agree with you, her answer made No sense at all. It left No mark whats so ever and I checked that the Bolt was fully forward.



 
5/15/2011 8:48:28 AM EDT
[#4]
+1 on the headspace possibility.  I'd use go, no-go, and field gauges to eliminate that potential first.
5/15/2011 9:04:26 AM EDT
[#5]
Weight of the bullet has nothing to do with the firing pin hitting the primer.
5/15/2011 9:41:09 AM EDT
[#6]
That lady is an idiot. Try a different box of ammo (maybe American Eagle M1A 168gr. or some surplus DAG) and see what happens. If it still doesn't fire I would call Springfield again and ask for a RMA#. I would send it back to them on their dime.
5/15/2011 10:18:49 AM EDT
[#7]
They need someone that knows something about the rifle to answer questions.  Anyway, check headspace,  check the bolt is fully closed, if not check the locking lugs, check the firing pin on the back side make sure nothing is interfering with forward travel.
5/15/2011 1:48:07 PM EDT
[#8]
If you are someplace near the state line there in IL I'd be happy to at least help you figure out what is wrong with your rifle.
5/15/2011 2:12:27 PM EDT
[#9]
Make damn sure you clean your new rifle completely. Wire brush the chamber 10 times more than you think you need to. Lube as per instruction, then check to see if bolt closes on round.
5/15/2011 2:51:04 PM EDT
[#10]
I will bet the firing pin channel has a small piece of debris that it floating around and interferes with the firing pin.

I am saying this from experience.  I had the same thing happen with a Mini 14.  Took the bolt apart all the way, cleaned and put it back together. Problem was solved.
5/16/2011 1:52:42 PM EDT
[#11]
Did you tear it down, clean and lube as you should with any new fiream before you fire it??
5/16/2011 3:14:42 PM EDT
[#12]
Have no fear. Springfield has a very experienced warranty department.
5/16/2011 5:49:09 PM EDT
[#13]
Pay no attention to anything they tell you on the phone. A lady there told one of my shooting buddies they have never had a rifle returned because of a bad extractor. His was the first and only one.
5/17/2011 9:07:07 AM EDT
[#14]
Talked to someone other then the female I talked to earlier, this guy at least acted like he knew his stuff, he Emailed me a Return Label from Fed Ex, he told me they would make it right, he said it would be 4 to 6 weeks. Now to wait and see if they make it Right!  Thanks Everyone!  

 
 
5/17/2011 1:31:05 PM EDT
[#15]
I know you said the bolt was all the way forward, but was it rotated completely into battery? If it was not fully rotated, it is not supposed to fire. If your safety bridge is mis shaped, it will stop the firing pin from moving forward.
5/17/2011 1:36:38 PM EDT
[#16]
I would hate to lose my new gun for that long and would test another type of ammo first.

I did have this same thing happen to me with a SKS, operator error, didn't de-cosmoline enough.

But doesn't Springfield actually test every rifle they send out?
5/17/2011 2:31:07 PM EDT
[#17]
Quoted:

But doesn't Springfield actually test every rifle they send out?


They claim they do but they do not. I have seen far too many that would not function out of the box.
5/17/2011 4:29:58 PM EDT
[#18]



Quoted:


Have no fear. Springfield has a very experienced warranty department.


LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.



What you did there....



I saw it.





and Lordy goodness....I have been there.



 
5/18/2011 7:01:54 AM EDT
[#19]
Please read post number 28 on this thread or the first post if the images are restored...

http://m14forum.com/reference/89157-safety-bridge-what-why-its-so-important.html#post690243

This might clarify your problem.
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