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Posted: 7/10/2010 5:52:56 AM EDT
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What are the following for Springfield M1As or good conditions from a bench rest with a bipod using match ammo when compared to a 1 moa .308 rem 700:
What is the MOA at 100 yards with a super match M1A: Match: Loaded: Standard: Socom 16: Whats the max effective range that you can hit a man sized target with a Super match: Match: Loaded: Standard: |
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How much you may for the M1A has a lot to do with the parts on it and maybe how much more time it took to fit the parts and assemble the rifle
other things that affect the accuracy of the rifle you, the shooter the ammo you use Don't ever think spending more money guarantees better accuracy. Learning how to shoot your rifle well will improve the accuracy. You don't know how much it tickles me to see some kid with a $200 .22 rimfire sit there at the range and shoot better groups than a guy with a $600 worth of match crap (barrel, trigger, stock, etc.) stuck to his rifle. |
| I mean the average they shoot since there are so many factors. The average MOA for a bolt gun is 1 inch even though some can put rounds in the same hole with a 700 sniper system. Whats the average MOA for an M1A? How far can the standard and national match hit a man sized target out to? |
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What are the following for Springfield M1As or good conditions from a bench rest with a bipod using match ammo when compared to a 1 moa .308 rem 700: What is the MOA at 100 yards with a super match M1A: 1 or less Match: 1-2 MOA Loaded: 1-2 MOA Standard: 2-3 MOA Socom 16: 2-3 MOA Whats the max effective range that you can hit a man sized target with all will reach out to 1K with the right ammo Super match: Match: Loaded: Standard: |
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If you go to http://www.m14tfl.com/ you'll get all the info you need on the M-14 Platform.
I disagree with some info suggesting you can expect 1MOA with a very good M1A/M14 System rested at 100 yards. I would suspect that is an OPTIMUM possibility with fully developed handloads, a fully bedded and match prepped rifle and a shooter with very good skills. The M14 platform is NOT designed as a precision/sniper platform, but as a "minute of man" battle rifle, imho. USGI ammo may be good for 1.5-2 moa out of a good platform with a good shooter and optimum conditions. Handloads may tighten it up. YES, you can get better groups with better components and a $1400 JAE stock on top of the rest of the platform with good optics to match. But for much less money and aggravation, you'll get more consistent groupings with a bolt gun. Flamesuit on for everyone who spent $900 on an old Chinese M14 and claims it's sub-moa with surplus ammo. 
My 2002 SAI Supermatch shoots little over 1 moa rested at 100 yards with iron sights after an extended period developing handloads it likes. My scoped LRB doesn't do any better despite the SEI Cry'od Barrel and SEI Trigger work. But it's also in a USGI unbedded stock as a mil-spec'd M14s. 
For the money, I believe you can't beat a Savage or Remington Bolt gun in .308. But for sheer fun, the M1a/M14 Rocks. And a CMP Garand isn't far behind. |
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awesome rifles.... they can shoot awesome. some not so great. i find the M14 a bit harder to shoot good, i really have to get a good hold on it, can't be lazy when shooting a 14. some guns are more forgiving. A lot of truth here. My 308 bolt gun is so consistent it's boring. My .223 Varmint gun is even more boring. My chi com build requires much more "Finesse" To achieve consistent accuracy. But each has it's place. And in the right place nothing beats an accurate semi auto with a large stack of 20 round mags handy 
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If you go to http://www.m14tfl.com/ you'll get all the info you need on the M-14 Platform. I disagree with some info suggesting you can expect 1MOA with a very good M1A/M14 System rested at 100 yards. I would suspect that is an OPTIMUM possibility with fully developed handloads, a fully bedded and match prepped rifle and a shooter with very good skills. The M14 platform is NOT designed as a precision/sniper platform, but as a "minute of man" battle rifle, imho. USGI ammo may be good for 1.5-2 moa out of a good platform with a good shooter and optimum conditions. Handloads may tighten it up. YES, you can get better groups with better components and a $1400 JAE stock on top of the rest of the platform with good optics to match. But for much less money and aggravation, you'll get more consistent groupings with a bolt gun. Flamesuit on for everyone who spent $900 on an old Chinese M14 and claims it's sub-moa with surplus ammo. .... I agree with everything said here. I would Definatly check out the M14 firing line forum for all kinds of information. I do own a couple of M14sa rifles and one M1A. I can get .80MOA out of the M1A with PPU fmj ammo, and the best I have done is .569MOA with match ammo. Granted this is not a stock M1A anymore but sub MOA groups are possible. My other custom M14s all can and will shoot .50MOA groups with match ammo. |
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Accuracy it two tools working together. You and the rifle. The rifle can't hit where you expect it to without you having the skill to put the shot there and regardless of skill a rifle not capable of good accuracy is going to be working against you. You need both, simple as that. One without the other isn't going to do it, so if you've got an untuned M1A and want precision shots than tune it. It doesn't have to cost that much. SAI themselves have a custom shop to tune any M1A and their not expensive. Some smiths are more expensive than others and some accuracy mods are too besides the effort to send out the rifle or parts to have it done, but it's your rifle. And should be worth it if you give a damn and want to be able to make the shots. |
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that's nice shooting... and Prone. not bench rested fudd style.
me persoanlly, ill pay for a good gun. i want to make hits, im not here to be an investor. or safe queen museum. to me all that is Lame. nothing beats a day when everything goes right, and you make shots all day long... wind, mirage, etc... that to me beats any profit from my gun. ill only sell if i can't work, or die. lol. then i won't have to worry about parting with my favorite sticks anyway. im a shooter first and foremost. |
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